Leaving BA for low cost
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Excellent thread...how do the benefits stack up at somewhere like EZY compared to BA? Medical/Dental /loss of licence etc. Obviously staff travel is completely different so that’s not really part of the question. Thanks
You get loss of licence. There is a benefits page and every year you select what benefits you want, some are dental, health, childcare, increase loss of licence. Some of the options allows you to make a saving on taxes.
Private health care care has been spoken about, tried to use it as a bargaining chip on the last pay deal but it was rejected. It poor that EZY still doesn’t off this to all employees, think it’s the only U.K. airline that doesn’t include private health in its standard package.
Private health care care has been spoken about, tried to use it as a bargaining chip on the last pay deal but it was rejected. It poor that EZY still doesn’t off this to all employees, think it’s the only U.K. airline that doesn’t include private health in its standard package.
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I am now a LHS commuter on a 71% contract, or a 7/7 as it is called. In real life it often works out as a 5/9 or 6/8 roster. (yes often 9 days off
)Would not even swap this for a direct entry CMD into a 744 if offered.
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I'm an experienced Boeing SFO at another UK airline (the red and silver one) and would love a European base, particularly PMI... is there any chance easy will get rid of or lower the type rating cost as that is a major barrier to me applying?
My base very very popular and everyone who has got a command over the past 18 months has come straight back to base amazingly.
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Depends on the base you want. Most start out where the need is for the company, and then sign up on the transfer lists. However, there are still choices + Ezy is fairly easy commuting wise if you need that. LGW is not all that bad as some claim - I certainly enjoyed my years there.
I am now a LHS commuter on a 71% contract, or a 7/7 as it is called. In real life it often works out as a 5/9 or 6/8 roster. (yes often 9 days off )
Would not even swap this for a direct entry CMD into a 744 if offered.
I am now a LHS commuter on a 71% contract, or a 7/7 as it is called. In real life it often works out as a 5/9 or 6/8 roster. (yes often 9 days off
)Would not even swap this for a direct entry CMD into a 744 if offered.
I don’t blame you, sounds great!
How easy is it to get part time roster generally in the U.K. but specifically at LGW? Also, is that a fixed pattern or FRV?
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Thanks for all of the info. Lots of great stuff.
RE EZY. I would be looking at LGW or LTN. Could anyone provide a few typical early and late rotations that one could expect. And am I right in thinking around 18ths to 2 years currently for a cmd?
Also, considering the other Low Cost airlines. Does anyone have any good info on Wizz Air? Ryanair only seem to recruit 737 rated FO's unless you want a Sicily base. Is this correct?
Thanks again for all the great input.
RE EZY. I would be looking at LGW or LTN. Could anyone provide a few typical early and late rotations that one could expect. And am I right in thinking around 18ths to 2 years currently for a cmd?
Also, considering the other Low Cost airlines. Does anyone have any good info on Wizz Air? Ryanair only seem to recruit 737 rated FO's unless you want a Sicily base. Is this correct?
Thanks again for all the great input.
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My take on it is BA is now very much just another airline, and the full time job has pretty much become unsustainable for an entire career, particularly since the introduction of EASA FTLs. Life expectancy will seriously reduce for anyone who attempts it. Part time is the way forward, and once you’re going down that route, you’re looking more and more at lifestyle choices, and being based at Heathrow is not one of the better lifestyle choices. I’ll have been in for 20 years by the time I get my first command, but once I have sufficient command hours, I’ll be looking very seriously at other airlines. Working for BA has drained the life out of me. I’m constantly bewildered by anyone who leaves another airline to join up. I don’t think outsiders appreciate just how weak, and indeed actively damaging, BALPA within BA is. Our decline at the hands of the current BACC has exceeded all expectations.
Gissa clue then what parts of EASA FTL will cause life expectancy to drop. In many parts EASA FTL is similar to Sub Part Q which was deployed in Europe for years and years.
Is it the old factorisation of flights over 7 hours in CAP371 something that was introduced when Flight Engineers left the cockpit......
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Interesting thread. Just out of interest this argument only exists because of the existence of DEC and “rapid commands” at the LCCs. The reasons for this are two fold, high turn over of staff and rapid growth. Is it reasonable to expect these two things to continue? We have already estabilished that terms and conditions etc are equal to or better than the legacy rivals so why would people leave? Furthermore how much more expansion can these companies accommodate, between Easy and Ryan they must have close to 1000 airframes and post Brexit will this/ can this contine?
I am just wondering if it was possible for some to jump ship to Easy then sudenly find themselves tapped in the RHS for 10 years, then this whole argument becomes extremely different! Plus is basing an issue, to my mind there is no point in taking a command if it means having to live in a different country to you wife and children.
Like many I have been extremely disillusioned by my experience of joining BA and have often pondered about jumping ship, but this fear of the above somehow always puts me off.
I am just wondering if it was possible for some to jump ship to Easy then sudenly find themselves tapped in the RHS for 10 years, then this whole argument becomes extremely different! Plus is basing an issue, to my mind there is no point in taking a command if it means having to live in a different country to you wife and children.
Like many I have been extremely disillusioned by my experience of joining BA and have often pondered about jumping ship, but this fear of the above somehow always puts me off.
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GK - Have you seen what’s actually possible under EASA? It’s only our industrial agreements (which are being constantly chipped away at) stopping long haul from becoming absolutely miserable. Brakes on at 0500 from JNB and report at 1800 for JFK? Sure, why not... No more 4 crew trips? No problem...
Our flat earthers are subject to full EASA limits -30 minutes. I assure you they are not happy about it and those without much time invested in our precious seniority list have left/will leave/are considering their options.
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Our flat earthers are subject to full EASA limits -30 minutes. I assure you they are not happy about it and those without much time invested in our precious seniority list have left/will leave/are considering their options.
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Interesting thread. Just out of interest this argument only exists because of the existence of DEC and “rapid commands” at the LCCs. The reasons for this are two fold, high turn over of staff and rapid growth. Is it reasonable to expect these two things to continue? We have already estabilished that terms and conditions etc are equal to or better than the legacy rivals so why would people leave? Furthermore how much more expansion can these companies accommodate, between Easy and Ryan they must have close to 1000 airframes and post Brexit will this/ can this contine?
I am just wondering if it was possible for some to jump ship to Easy then sudenly find themselves tapped in the RHS for 10 years, then this whole argument becomes extremely different! Plus is basing an issue, to my mind there is no point in taking a command if it means having to live in a different country to you wife and children.
Like many I have been extremely disillusioned by my experience of joining BA and have often pondered about jumping ship, but this fear of the above somehow always puts me off.
I am just wondering if it was possible for some to jump ship to Easy then sudenly find themselves tapped in the RHS for 10 years, then this whole argument becomes extremely different! Plus is basing an issue, to my mind there is no point in taking a command if it means having to live in a different country to you wife and children.
Like many I have been extremely disillusioned by my experience of joining BA and have often pondered about jumping ship, but this fear of the above somehow always puts me off.
Compare that to the US with close to 1000 planes in total between southwest and jet blue, not to mention the other ones, in a home market with something like 330 million customers, vs around 500 million in the EU alone, not to mention the other european states or even northern africa which is in range of narrowbody aircraft.
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Interesting thread. Just out of interest this argument only exists because of the existence of DEC and “rapid commands” at the LCCs. The reasons for this are two fold, high turn over of staff and rapid growth. Is it reasonable to expect these two things to continue? We have already estabilished that terms and conditions etc are equal to or better than the legacy rivals so why would people leave? Furthermore how much more expansion can these companies accommodate, between Easy and Ryan they must have close to 1000 airframes and post Brexit will this/ can this contine?
I am just wondering if it was possible for some to jump ship to Easy then sudenly find themselves tapped in the RHS for 10 years, then this whole argument becomes extremely different! Plus is basing an issue, to my mind there is no point in taking a command if it means having to live in a different country to you wife and children.
Like many I have been extremely disillusioned by my experience of joining BA and have often pondered about jumping ship, but this fear of the above somehow always puts me off.
I am just wondering if it was possible for some to jump ship to Easy then sudenly find themselves tapped in the RHS for 10 years, then this whole argument becomes extremely different! Plus is basing an issue, to my mind there is no point in taking a command if it means having to live in a different country to you wife and children.
Like many I have been extremely disillusioned by my experience of joining BA and have often pondered about jumping ship, but this fear of the above somehow always puts me off.
In my view, the expansion will very much continue and the pressure on Ryanair to keep the salaries competitve will be high.
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And now, that Lufthansa is going to buy Norwegian, BA is going to struggle even more.
Mind You anyone with BA experience will be a shoe-in at Norwegian LH !
Good time to change!
Mind You anyone with BA experience will be a shoe-in at Norwegian LH !
Good time to change!
Hmm, a lot of sh1t stirring here and firing about of fake news.
I know of one guy who has left for a DEC A330 job in China but he commutes from NYC, he was a junior captain on the A320.
A few people have turned down courses but they've also been sat in the hold pool for almost 2 years, if BA offered them contracts straight away I guess it would have been a different story.
I know of one guy who has left for a DEC A330 job in China but he commutes from NYC, he was a junior captain on the A320.
A few people have turned down courses but they've also been sat in the hold pool for almost 2 years, if BA offered them contracts straight away I guess it would have been a different story.
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Not even sure where to begin with this! BA is no great place to work but tell me just how they are “struggling”?
