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Ryanair FO direct employment Italy, Spain

Old 23rd May 2018, 20:13
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Ryanair FO direct employment Italy, Spain

Hi all,

I've just passed the assessment few days ago and received offer to join RYR as direct entry FO and become directly employed by them. As I am not fully convinced to go for it I would highly appreciated if someone could answer me this questions.

1) What net salary I could expect as FO in bases Bergamo, Barcelona and Stansted on direct employment contract?
2) What is the atmosphere in RYR cockpits and among the whole crew nowadays, especially in the bases stated above?

Thanks a lot for any answers!
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Old 24th May 2018, 13:31
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1) you can expect between £60k - £65k, based on 900 hours in STN. Don't know about the other places but I dare to say it is less, even if you convert £ to € at the current exchange rate.
2) It's varied. There are people who don't give a heck, people that are 50:50 and others that will pick on everything they can. It depends a lot of how bad or well the company as treated them before. I personally never had a huge problem and they also helped me few times however I honestly believe that the company has to treat their staff way better - not just the pilots. It's not all about the money. Good luck if you join, expect to be pushed for command and based away once you've done a winter there
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Old 25th May 2018, 23:24
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Originally Posted by plikee View Post
1) you can expect between £60k - £65k, based on 900 hours in STN. Don't know about the other places but I dare to say it is less, even if you convert £ to Ä at the current exchange rate.
2) It's varied. There are people who don't give a heck, people that are 50:50 and others that will pick on everything they can. It depends a lot of how bad or well the company as treated them before. I personally never had a huge problem and they also helped me few times however I honestly believe that the company has to treat their staff way better - not just the pilots. It's not all about the money. Good luck if you join, expect to be pushed for command and based away once you've done a winter there

Thanks for your answers. Just to make sure, is that amount (£60k - £65k) really the net salary, so ca 5000£ to your pocket every month?
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Old 26th May 2018, 14:14
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No, that's a gross figure. Expect around £4k in your bank account as an average, it will be more during summer and less during winter as it varies with hours flown.
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sorry Rozor88, as I am new I am not allowed to send PM either....
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IN BGY and I guess BCN too, you can expect an average of 4.5K euros net with 70 hours, cockpit environment is super relax, of course with 430 planes you will always find the dick...just bear in mind that DEFO pass rate in command upgrade is 10%! Donít take it too easy
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IN BGY and I guess BCN too, you can expect an average of 4.5K euros net with 70 hours, cockpit environment is super relax, of course with 430 planes you will always find the dick...just bear in mind that DEFO pass rate in command upgrade is 10%! Donít take it too easy
10%, holy moly..
How come it's like that for DEFO? How are the statistics for cadets who eventually go for their upgrade?
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 14:36
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Well, maybe just 10% who fully absorb the particular Ryanair SOP dogma, and achieve upgrade in the theoretical minimum time. But I think most DESFO get upgraded within two years.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 17:38
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10% pass on CU for direct entry FO??!!? 🤣
Are you for real?
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 18:21
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BS, the overall pass rate in the FR upgrade is one of the highest in the industry (more than 90% according to FR), make it what you will, either the instructors are the best in the world, or the course is like a walk in the park, needing so many pilots...
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 19:05
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
BS, the overall pass rate in the FR upgrade is one of the highest in the industry (more than 90% according to FR), make it what you will, either the instructors are the best in the world, or the course is like a walk in the park, needing so many pilots...
I think you may win the award for ignorance Dirk.

The safety record considering the numbers of demanding sectors flown per pilot and for each of the 400+ airframes speaks for itself. Furthermore, their pilots are snapped up by the so-called legacy airlines and competitors alike, so few knowledgable people see FR pilots as 'lower class' like you do. At least obtaining a command at FR is after completing a rigourous 3 year study programme, ground school, sim and line training rather than based primarily on seniority or the whims of the CP...

Although you insinuate that the insatiable demand for pilots means standards are allowed to slip, in terms of upgrades you might find pass rates have actually fallen.

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 19:57
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That’s a huge chip I see on your shoulder.

I was just stating a fact, which is undisputed and made by Ryanair itself, no need to infer anything.

As for the rigorous 3 year study programme, you gave me a good laugh, thank you. The upgrade itself is one of the quickest in the industry, and so is the time spent on the right seat before the course starts.
And considering that 90% of the cadets do not even have 200 hours when joining the coompany, well... again, hats off to the training department. All the other companies and training departmens in the world should take notes, because they are obviously doing something wrong.

I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they are desperate for Captains.

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 20:55
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which is undisputed
Yes it is Dirk - by me for a start - it's nonsense.

I have been at an airline where almost everyone got their upgrade when their seniority comes up - and it's cringe-making; and their very high incident rate reflected that. Conversely, I got my first medium cat jet command at 1700h/3 years total because it was almost entirely an ex airforce airline ,so that was normal to them, provided I could survive the 75% chop rate.

Ryanair doesn't use seniority, so for most it takes longer than the minimum time, and there are quite a few who never do, but the majority get there, and are very good (albeit within the confines of the rather stifling SOPs).
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Dear All
Some interesting " facts" floating around here.
There was a 5 page story on training at Flight International ca a year or so ago, were the Head of Training tells his story. An interesting read with regards to how he view other operators and RYR.
From what I can see a lot of good FOs ready for upgrade leave just before upgrading. A good number of fresh CPs also say Sayonara! And quite a few Direct entry CPs with limited understanding or concern for SOP once line training is finished, are taking the good bases!!

Approaching 5000 pilots with 1400 new this year alone.
Something has to change , and that has to happen soon.

Good luck to All
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 21:17
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. a lot of good FOs ready for upgrade leave just before upgrading.
True, but also a lot of their number are made up of the significant number who were told they wouldn't be getting a command at Ryanair.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 21:18
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Were do You get this from??
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 21:20
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Delayed or blocked commands are fairly common knowledge, especially in smaller bases. They generally move on. They do demand of DECs, complete capitulation to Ryanair SOPs before they will release to line!

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 21:28
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As in any company You have to be recommended, and to be that You have to be competent. No one is delayed, they are just not ready.
No one is block if ready , willing AND competent , Base Captains has been fired over this!

So ; Again were do You get these ideas from, Sir!
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 21:31
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I don't at all follow what you're asking blue? Yes, by delayed/blocked,. I mean generally delayed/blocked of their own doing ie not making the grade - anyway it's not 10% and it's not 90% (at the first shot..assessment+course), and it's definitely not the highest upgrade rate in the industry - kinda what I meant. Anyway interesting about a base Captain getting fired. It has on occasion gotten very personal! But from what I've seen it is a reasonably fair process. As for %ge at 'minimum time' - I was referring to DEFOs, (not home grown FOs), as I have come across many who were bemoaning it taking longer than they expected, usually due to picking up a 4 in a PC. Most of those are now captains though.

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Old 7th Jun 2018, 21:33
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For info
Everyone get two shots at command , when competent and ready according to a very open and clear system. If failed twice feel free to stay a FO until 65.
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