Ryanair FO direct employment Italy, Spain
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Hi all,
I've just passed the assessment few days ago and received offer to join RYR as direct entry FO and become directly employed by them. As I am not fully convinced to go for it I would highly appreciated if someone could answer me this questions.
1) What net salary I could expect as FO in bases Bergamo, Barcelona and Stansted on direct employment contract?
2) What is the atmosphere in RYR cockpits and among the whole crew nowadays, especially in the bases stated above?
Thanks a lot for any answers!
I've just passed the assessment few days ago and received offer to join RYR as direct entry FO and become directly employed by them. As I am not fully convinced to go for it I would highly appreciated if someone could answer me this questions.
1) What net salary I could expect as FO in bases Bergamo, Barcelona and Stansted on direct employment contract?
2) What is the atmosphere in RYR cockpits and among the whole crew nowadays, especially in the bases stated above?
Thanks a lot for any answers!
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1) you can expect between £60k - £65k, based on 900 hours in STN. Don't know about the other places but I dare to say it is less, even if you convert £ to € at the current exchange rate.
2) It's varied. There are people who don't give a heck, people that are 50:50 and others that will pick on everything they can. It depends a lot of how bad or well the company as treated them before. I personally never had a huge problem and they also helped me few times however I honestly believe that the company has to treat their staff way better - not just the pilots. It's not all about the money. Good luck if you join, expect to be pushed for command and based away once you've done a winter there
2) It's varied. There are people who don't give a heck, people that are 50:50 and others that will pick on everything they can. It depends a lot of how bad or well the company as treated them before. I personally never had a huge problem and they also helped me few times however I honestly believe that the company has to treat their staff way better - not just the pilots. It's not all about the money. Good luck if you join, expect to be pushed for command and based away once you've done a winter there
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1) you can expect between £60k - £65k, based on 900 hours in STN. Don't know about the other places but I dare to say it is less, even if you convert £ to € at the current exchange rate.
2) It's varied. There are people who don't give a heck, people that are 50:50 and others that will pick on everything they can. It depends a lot of how bad or well the company as treated them before. I personally never had a huge problem and they also helped me few times however I honestly believe that the company has to treat their staff way better - not just the pilots. It's not all about the money. Good luck if you join, expect to be pushed for command and based away once you've done a winter there
2) It's varied. There are people who don't give a heck, people that are 50:50 and others that will pick on everything they can. It depends a lot of how bad or well the company as treated them before. I personally never had a huge problem and they also helped me few times however I honestly believe that the company has to treat their staff way better - not just the pilots. It's not all about the money. Good luck if you join, expect to be pushed for command and based away once you've done a winter there
Thanks for your answers. Just to make sure, is that amount (£60k - £65k) really the net salary, so ca 5000£ to your pocket every month?
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No, that's a gross figure. Expect around £4k in your bank account as an average, it will be more during summer and less during winter as it varies with hours flown.
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IN BGY and I guess BCN too, you can expect an average of 4.5K euros net with 70 hours, cockpit environment is super relax, of course with 430 planes you will always find the dick...just bear in mind that DEFO pass rate in command upgrade is 10%! Don’t take it too easy
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How come it's like that for DEFO? How are the statistics for cadets who eventually go for their upgrade?
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BS, the overall pass rate in the FR upgrade is one of the highest in the industry (more than 90% according to FR), make it what you will, either the instructors are the best in the world, or the course is like a walk in the park, needing so many pilots...
The safety record considering the numbers of demanding sectors flown per pilot and for each of the 400+ airframes speaks for itself. Furthermore, their pilots are snapped up by the so-called legacy airlines and competitors alike, so few knowledgable people see FR pilots as 'lower class' like you do. At least obtaining a command at FR is after completing a rigourous 3 year study programme, ground school, sim and line training rather than based primarily on seniority or the whims of the CP...
Although you insinuate that the insatiable demand for pilots means standards are allowed to slip, in terms of upgrades you might find pass rates have actually fallen.
Fly safe.
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That’s a huge chip I see on your shoulder.
I was just stating a fact, which is undisputed and made by Ryanair itself, no need to infer anything.
As for the rigorous 3 year study programme, you gave me a good laugh, thank you. The upgrade itself is one of the quickest in the industry, and so is the time spent on the right seat before the course starts.
And considering that 90% of the cadets do not even have 200 hours when joining the coompany, well... again, hats off to the training department. All the other companies and training departmens in the world should take notes, because they are obviously doing something wrong.
I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they are desperate for Captains.
I was just stating a fact, which is undisputed and made by Ryanair itself, no need to infer anything.
As for the rigorous 3 year study programme, you gave me a good laugh, thank you. The upgrade itself is one of the quickest in the industry, and so is the time spent on the right seat before the course starts.
And considering that 90% of the cadets do not even have 200 hours when joining the coompany, well... again, hats off to the training department. All the other companies and training departmens in the world should take notes, because they are obviously doing something wrong.
I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they are desperate for Captains.
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Dear All
Some interesting " facts" floating around here.
There was a 5 page story on training at Flight International ca a year or so ago, were the Head of Training tells his story. An interesting read with regards to how he view other operators and RYR.
From what I can see a lot of good FOs ready for upgrade leave just before upgrading. A good number of fresh CPs also say Sayonara! And quite a few Direct entry CPs with limited understanding or concern for SOP once line training is finished, are taking the good bases!!
Approaching 5000 pilots with 1400 new this year alone.
Something has to change , and that has to happen soon.
Good luck to All
Cpt B
Some interesting " facts" floating around here.
There was a 5 page story on training at Flight International ca a year or so ago, were the Head of Training tells his story. An interesting read with regards to how he view other operators and RYR.
From what I can see a lot of good FOs ready for upgrade leave just before upgrading. A good number of fresh CPs also say Sayonara! And quite a few Direct entry CPs with limited understanding or concern for SOP once line training is finished, are taking the good bases!!
Approaching 5000 pilots with 1400 new this year alone.
Something has to change , and that has to happen soon.
Good luck to All
Cpt B
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As in any company You have to be recommended, and to be that You have to be competent. No one is delayed, they are just not ready.
No one is block if ready , willing AND competent , Base Captains has been fired over this!
So ; Again were do You get these ideas from, Sir!
As in any company You have to be recommended, and to be that You have to be competent. No one is delayed, they are just not ready.
No one is block if ready , willing AND competent , Base Captains has been fired over this!
So ; Again were do You get these ideas from, Sir!
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No more BC
Just back to normal Cpt
And again , from what I know , everyone when competent gets a try at Upgrade. THEY may have another story for You to cover it if NOT competent ! Human nature, I suppose!
Everyone is pushed to prep for upgrade, and all is told to be ready , if not You FAIL.
Just back to normal Cpt
And again , from what I know , everyone when competent gets a try at Upgrade. THEY may have another story for You to cover it if NOT competent ! Human nature, I suppose!
Everyone is pushed to prep for upgrade, and all is told to be ready , if not You FAIL.
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Hi Razor88,
I am still not sure if I will take it....
They asked me this questions:
1) Deicing procedure - how many stages, number of fluids etc.
2) Some flight planning questions, when two alternates may be required etc.
3) Fuel - what type of fuel is contained in the block fuel? (taxi, trip, contingency etc....)
Generally, it was very relaxed and the instructor wanted to hear only the basics, not much details...
My assessment was done in Dublin.
good luck.
I am still not sure if I will take it....
They asked me this questions:
1) Deicing procedure - how many stages, number of fluids etc.
2) Some flight planning questions, when two alternates may be required etc.
3) Fuel - what type of fuel is contained in the block fuel? (taxi, trip, contingency etc....)
Generally, it was very relaxed and the instructor wanted to hear only the basics, not much details...
My assessment was done in Dublin.
good luck.
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737user probably you are already rated on 737. Does anyone know the minimum hours requirements for a non rated DEFO in Ryanair and if the company bonds you for the type rating?
