Cadet opportunity on behalf of a friend..
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You have come to this thread to make accusations that CTC shafted your friend. I still await this proof?
If he was shafted, wouldn't it be easier to get a solicitor, he surely can't lose!
The more people that think they "get shafted" by CTC the better, we need less people funding that aviation disease.
CTC is just a glorified flying school nothing more. Says it all when airlines such as Flybe now refuse to use CTC for their recruitment.
If he was shafted, wouldn't it be easier to get a solicitor, he surely can't lose!
The more people that think they "get shafted" by CTC the better, we need less people funding that aviation disease.
CTC is just a glorified flying school nothing more. Says it all when airlines such as Flybe now refuse to use CTC for their recruitment.
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Ah, refuse is probably too strong a word... more like stopped using CTC's recruitment services due to some aviation gods not meeting the standard.
Their stint with CTC was really short lived....
Their stint with CTC was really short lived....
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OP, if your friend has deep pockets there are still type rating schemes in Turkey with Sun Express via Stella in Holland, but from what I hear its hit and miss if you get hired. Having said that, SXS seem to like ex-pats and it may be worth a shot, although he would need to pass the DLR or equivalent and stump up the 30K Euro for the type rating. Don't have any contacts there but we have many cloggies that were there here and talk highly of the work environment. This is SXS Turkey, not SXD we are talking about.
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Chris,
Another idea... Becoming cabin crew for easyJet you can apply for an FO position internally. I know 2 people that have. Not sure if the rating is paid for in cash that way or if it's a bond though.
Another idea... Becoming cabin crew for easyJet you can apply for an FO position internally. I know 2 people that have. Not sure if the rating is paid for in cash that way or if it's a bond though.
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As for the guys who love tearing shreds into CTC cadets
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I have a close relative who went to FTE. Self sponsored. Crashed and burned (metaphorically!) in his first PTs. Ended up being recoursed. Knuckled down, grew up, realised the work involved and smashed his exams second time around. Took to the actual flying like a duck to water. Got a job offer within a month of graduating. Two years later, 1500 hours on 737. Latest sim check captain (known to be a tough cookie) said he could see command potential in him. Lad is still in his very early 20s.
Ironically, in his group of mates at FTE, there was another pupil, late 20s, degree in aeronautical engineering. First time exam passes. Graduated at the same time. Still looking for that first break two years later.
Luck or what?
Ironically, in his group of mates at FTE, there was another pupil, late 20s, degree in aeronautical engineering. First time exam passes. Graduated at the same time. Still looking for that first break two years later.
Luck or what?
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Coming from the above mentioned school (Here comes the tearing to pieces), I would have jumped at the chance to fly a turboprop. Altough in my case I got a job in a jet, it absolutely wouldnt have mattered to me. And I still cannot seem to understand why some of the cadets from this same school despise turboprop flying. As long as you can make a normal living a job is a job if you ask me...
Oh and currently CTC is barely ''placing'' anyone anywhere. Easyjet is running at full capacity and people who finish now will have to wait a loooong time to get an interview, or start the TR...
I suppose CTC isn't amused about this since they pay Easyjet money so they take their cadets...
Edit: I believe KURA Aviation also got ties with Airlines like FlyBe etc. it's basically an MCC/JOC and after that they usually put you forward to an Airline pretty quick, that's what I've heard about them atleast. Maybe try looking there too?
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OP, if your friend has deep pockets there are still type rating schemes in Turkey with Sun Express via Stella in Holland, but from what I hear its hit and miss if you get hired. Having said that, SXS seem to like ex-pats and it may be worth a shot, although he would need to pass the DLR or equivalent and stump up the 30K Euro for the type rating. Don't have any contacts there but we have many cloggies that were there here and talk highly of the work environment. This is SXS Turkey, not SXD we are talking about.
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ChrisE,
Whilst your concern for your friend is admirable. I feel it is he/she that should be asking the questions and not you. You make your own luck in this world. Stop spoon feeding him/her. Getting into commercial aviation is not easy (for most). I know, I had my own set-backs, however, it made me more determined than ever to succeed. I wish him/her the best of luck.
Whilst your concern for your friend is admirable. I feel it is he/she that should be asking the questions and not you. You make your own luck in this world. Stop spoon feeding him/her. Getting into commercial aviation is not easy (for most). I know, I had my own set-backs, however, it made me more determined than ever to succeed. I wish him/her the best of luck.
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"It may be the guy not the experience" could be equally valid here. That 5,000 hours turboprop captain should probably concentrate on putting the idea across that he will not be a '5,000 hour captain' (and hence a pain in the arse to the real captain sitting to the left of him) when sitting in the right seat of that jet job.
About the 200 hour kids going straight into those jet jobs, this is probably a double-pronged 'problem':
They will be cheap and they will be happy to stay cheap for quite a few years to come (as long as they can swan about in their uniforms and put 'Airline Pilot' on Farcebook, they will tolerate low pay for a lot longer than the more mature 5,000 hour ex-turboprop captain);
Many of those airlines that take these 200 hour kids are run by managers who themselves started as 200 hour kids.
The second 'problem' that I mentioned is not only a British problem as the Dutch, French and Germans have airlines that are equally as 'guilty'. Outside Europe, in North America and the Antipodes for example, there is a healthy GA sector and pilots grow up as 'real pilots' there before getting that airline job. I am sure that if a certain Major European Airline that has routes across the South Atlantic had its flights manned by that type of 'real pilot' then there would not be very lengthy Threads on here and other Forums (Fora?) about a certain incident there.
I also started watching that video and jumped forwards in big chunks to see if it improved. It didn't. I don't think that there is any risk that I'll ever fly with him but what does really worry me is that I might have him (and his likes) take me somewhere when I am SLF.
"It may be the guy not the experience" could be equally valid here. That 5,000 hours turboprop captain should probably concentrate on putting the idea across that he will not be a '5,000 hour captain' (and hence a pain in the arse to the real captain sitting to the left of him) when sitting in the right seat of that jet job.
About the 200 hour kids going straight into those jet jobs, this is probably a double-pronged 'problem':
They will be cheap and they will be happy to stay cheap for quite a few years to come (as long as they can swan about in their uniforms and put 'Airline Pilot' on Farcebook, they will tolerate low pay for a lot longer than the more mature 5,000 hour ex-turboprop captain);
Many of those airlines that take these 200 hour kids are run by managers who themselves started as 200 hour kids.
The second 'problem' that I mentioned is not only a British problem as the Dutch, French and Germans have airlines that are equally as 'guilty'. Outside Europe, in North America and the Antipodes for example, there is a healthy GA sector and pilots grow up as 'real pilots' there before getting that airline job. I am sure that if a certain Major European Airline that has routes across the South Atlantic had its flights manned by that type of 'real pilot' then there would not be very lengthy Threads on here and other Forums (Fora?) about a certain incident there.
I also started watching that video and jumped forwards in big chunks to see if it improved. It didn't. I don't think that there is any risk that I'll ever fly with him but what does really worry me is that I might have him (and his likes) take me somewhere when I am SLF.
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Find one on the ground and push down on the tail, as if you were manoeuvring it in a small space. The cockpit is pointing at the sky long before the tail near the ground. It would be a very brusque flare to achieve that and at a very low speed to stop it climbing.
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The cringe....
I honestly don't mind people sharing their experiences and posting the occasional selfie on Instagram. But this? Come on, the ''arrogance'' at the end... I don't believe he is even aware of what he is saying is coming across to other people. The guy just did ''circuits 1'', so he has around 8-9 hours of actual flying time, but already comes across like a ''know it all''... (Can you imagine, he already is there for 5 weeks, what a pace for something that is advertised as ''fast-track'')
I honestly don't mind people sharing their experiences and posting the occasional selfie on Instagram. But this? Come on, the ''arrogance'' at the end... I don't believe he is even aware of what he is saying is coming across to other people. The guy just did ''circuits 1'', so he has around 8-9 hours of actual flying time, but already comes across like a ''know it all''... (Can you imagine, he already is there for 5 weeks, what a pace for something that is advertised as ''fast-track'')
My gripe is with a selection based upon how much money you throw, average aptitude (based on your cohort), and an average interview... all of them eminently passable by a mediocre candidate.
Money then is the distinguisher.
And that should always be borne in mind.
Money then is the distinguisher.
And that should always be borne in mind.
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There's a Dutch RYR F/O who posts similar stuff to this - cringeworthy, narcissistic waste of broadband, all of it. I see this L3 guy is endorsed by the school on the video but don't they moderate or edit before posting? There are numerous inaccuracies that surely L3 wouldn't want exposed in their name? Bending over for the training provider early on might afford him some favourable treatment short-term but alienate him from his classmates and will likely follow him through at least the early years of his career. Besides, I thought the Head of Sales & Marketing had recently departed Nursling?
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There was an interesting introduction moment where I thought the flow of the flying exercises was excellent. He said that Climbing & Descending 1 was not a problem so Climbing & Descending 2 was combined; and then he moved onto Stalling. That could also have been combined with Climbing & Descending 3 to save time. 
