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Yes, delays mainly due to the Leap engine manufacturer and some tech issues in the tail and they can't get the ACMI over the summer to cover the operation.
Real question is it just an delay or an excuse to scrap long haul together out of BHX to focus on STN/CDG due to load factors?
Real question is it just an delay or an excuse to scrap long haul together out of BHX to focus on STN/CDG due to load factors?
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Just read this on a well known website for airline T&Cs where users can update information:
“Planning for the summer has totally failed and the company is now so short of pilots that lots of flights are cancelled or delayed. The future of Primera Air is unsure despite the orders for new 737MAX9”
Strange world we live in. As far as I know there are thousands of pilots in Europe. I guess it’s just that not enough of them are willing to work for the T&Cs on offer. Easy fix, increase pay and improve rosters and working conditions.
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“Planning for the summer has totally failed and the company is now so short of pilots that lots of flights are cancelled or delayed. The future of Primera Air is unsure despite the orders for new 737MAX9”
Strange world we live in. As far as I know there are thousands of pilots in Europe. I guess it’s just that not enough of them are willing to work for the T&Cs on offer. Easy fix, increase pay and improve rosters and working conditions.
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Does anyone know if ASTA / Mountain high resolved the issues of paying people correctly and on time?
Do they pay for car parking or anything at Stansted? Has anyone left who joined as flight crew due to the roster or late payments?
Do they pay for car parking or anything at Stansted? Has anyone left who joined as flight crew due to the roster or late payments?
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According to the marketing chief officer, the reason why Primera Air has ordered A321Neo is to occupy the market while the 737Max9 was not available.
They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo.
So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet.
The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR?
They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo.
So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet.
The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR?
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Primera A321neo LR
According to the marketing chief officer, the reason why Primera Air has ordered A321Neo is to occupy the market while the 737Max9 was not available.
They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo.
So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet.
The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR?
Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query
They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo.
So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet.
The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR?
Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query
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Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo.
So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor.
Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why.
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Actually Primera Air didn't receive any LR yet and they operate right now only "classic" A321Neo on their transatlantic routes. And as far as I know they can cross the ocean non stop.
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo.
So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor.
Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why.
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo.
So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor.
Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why.
321neo - typical 2 class seating 180-190, 6900 km range
321neo LR - 7400 km range.
In other worlds, both the neo and the neo LR have range advantages on the Max9.
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Well the b737 is 5 tons lighter and can carry up to 500kg of fuel more.
So even if the Boeing is less efficient than the airbus, I believe that Primera could adjust the max payload in order to match the destination on their network.
For instance they could configurate the cabin at 189 pax so 9 less than the airbus in order to be 100% flexible with the rest of the fleet and be able to reach Toronto from Paris.
For 189 pax, payload is around 17t.
If oew is about 48t then the boeing 737 can carry 23,3 t of fuel which is exactly the fuel quantity of the A321 neo. As it is 5 tons ligher, the boeing will finally makes the same distance up to 4% less efficiency compared to the 321 neo.
So no the b737 Max 9 will not be able to match the airbus with the 198 pax. But most probably yes it will be able to reach the same range if payload is adapted. And probably this pay load will be for 189 pax. Thus it will meet the capacity of the rest of the fleet (b737-800) and the aircraft will be able to be used on the long or middle haul with no change in the booking systems.
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More cancellations and ending operations from Birmingham completely, for now anyway.
https://www-coventrytelegraph-net.cd...d-14972951.amp
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https://www-coventrytelegraph-net.cd...d-14972951.amp
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How the heck do they expect this to work during the winter season? Just about every take off will be with a lump in the stomach. Or are they planning on fuel stop along the way?
07 August, 2018
SOURCE: Flight Dashboard
BY: David Kaminski-Morrow
London
Scandinavian carrier Primera Air’s first Airbus A321neo has been involved in a fuel emergency incident following a transatlantic service to Toronto.
The aircraft had been operating flight PF45 from London Stansted on 24 July.
Transportation Safety Board of Canada states in a bulletin that, during the descent, the crew “declared a fuel emergency” and was given priority for a runway 23 approach.
Shortly before 21:00, as the aircraft descended through 8,000ft, the crew was asked by approach controllers as to the quantity of fuel on board.
The crew replied that the jet had 2.3t and would have 2.1t on arrival, and also confirmed 204 occupants on board the flight, with no dangerous cargo.
Controllers cleared the aircraft for an ILS approach to runway 23 and TSB states that the aircraft landed without incident at 21:10.
Primera Air took delivery of the CFM International Leap-1A-powerd aircraft (OY-PAA), its first A321neo, in April this year, part of a strategy by the operator to open new transatlantic routes from the UK and France.
It disclosed last year that it would operate from London, Paris and Birmingham to New York and Boston with its A321neo fleet, and subsequently stated that it would include Toronto in the new transatlantic network.
07 August, 2018
SOURCE: Flight Dashboard
BY: David Kaminski-Morrow
London
Scandinavian carrier Primera Air’s first Airbus A321neo has been involved in a fuel emergency incident following a transatlantic service to Toronto.
The aircraft had been operating flight PF45 from London Stansted on 24 July.
Transportation Safety Board of Canada states in a bulletin that, during the descent, the crew “declared a fuel emergency” and was given priority for a runway 23 approach.
Shortly before 21:00, as the aircraft descended through 8,000ft, the crew was asked by approach controllers as to the quantity of fuel on board.
The crew replied that the jet had 2.3t and would have 2.1t on arrival, and also confirmed 204 occupants on board the flight, with no dangerous cargo.
Controllers cleared the aircraft for an ILS approach to runway 23 and TSB states that the aircraft landed without incident at 21:10.
Primera Air took delivery of the CFM International Leap-1A-powerd aircraft (OY-PAA), its first A321neo, in April this year, part of a strategy by the operator to open new transatlantic routes from the UK and France.
It disclosed last year that it would operate from London, Paris and Birmingham to New York and Boston with its A321neo fleet, and subsequently stated that it would include Toronto in the new transatlantic network.