Primera Air A320neo
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A320 neo/321neo
Gosh I am sorry I misquoted the exact a/c type.
As you say, why oh why did I quote 320 rather than 321neo, answer - maybe the question I posed was more about details of the Joining, OCC, Rostering etc, rather than which exact MSN the airline may or may not operate.
BTW you state 2 extra CWT, are you sure it is not 3 ?
Who cares, I am trying to find out info of a non tech nature.
Can we get back on topic and leave the Spotters to Spotting.
Rant over. Thank you.
As you say, why oh why did I quote 320 rather than 321neo, answer - maybe the question I posed was more about details of the Joining, OCC, Rostering etc, rather than which exact MSN the airline may or may not operate.
BTW you state 2 extra CWT, are you sure it is not 3 ?
Who cares, I am trying to find out info of a non tech nature.
Can we get back on topic and leave the Spotters to Spotting.
Rant over. Thank you.
To be a little bit centrist in this argument - quite a few people pick up interview tips / company background etc on their chosen company from these forums, and going into an interview and talking (wrongly) about how Primera’s new A320 Service will be A Very Good thing, could be the difference between getting the job and not.
That said, there’s no need to be a
about a simple mistake.
That said, there’s no need to be a
about a simple mistake.
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They will need deep pockets to make this work, I have done plenty of NATS with our lot and you are leaving the USA late evening at around 02:00Z with your body clock still in the UK meaning sleep prior to flight is difficult to achieve East bound.
Anyone considering this should put all times in Z think about what time you land locally in the USA do you eat have a beer then go to bed or go to bed and wake up Z time per your body clock? at say 8:00Z (03:00L) what i can say is that you will regularly be awake 20+ hours on the return trip and trying to go sleep during the day before your next trip will be a huge challenge, but worry not sleep with not be an issue when you get to your 7 days off assuming you live long enough on the drive home!!
I think you should plan on 3-4 days REST before you’ll feel half human again after which 5 earlier duties will seem like the good life you used to have, personally stop overs of less 24 hours should not be allowed, you’ll be back in the seat after what 18 -20 hours, legal but?
Anyone considering this should put all times in Z think about what time you land locally in the USA do you eat have a beer then go to bed or go to bed and wake up Z time per your body clock? at say 8:00Z (03:00L) what i can say is that you will regularly be awake 20+ hours on the return trip and trying to go sleep during the day before your next trip will be a huge challenge, but worry not sleep with not be an issue when you get to your 7 days off assuming you live long enough on the drive home!!
I think you should plan on 3-4 days REST before you’ll feel half human again after which 5 earlier duties will seem like the good life you used to have, personally stop overs of less 24 hours should not be allowed, you’ll be back in the seat after what 18 -20 hours, legal but?
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Hi, I agree with your comments re the proposed Rostering, Jet Lag, Fatigue.
It is up to the Guys and Girls on the early Courses to effect change, but I agree, the 6 days on, 2 days off, 6 days on, 1 day off, 6 days on, 7 days off is not sustainable and careful negotiation needs to be undertaken, otherwise in this Market people will just 'Vote with their Feet'
A 6/4, 6/4 and 6/4 Roster is one possible alternative, a much better spread of work/off days. Easier for the Commuter etc.
NIL extra cost to the Airline, happier workforce. = A positive result
It is up to the Guys and Girls on the early Courses to effect change, but I agree, the 6 days on, 2 days off, 6 days on, 1 day off, 6 days on, 7 days off is not sustainable and careful negotiation needs to be undertaken, otherwise in this Market people will just 'Vote with their Feet'
A 6/4, 6/4 and 6/4 Roster is one possible alternative, a much better spread of work/off days. Easier for the Commuter etc.
NIL extra cost to the Airline, happier workforce. = A positive result
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I applied a couple of weeks ago and was invited for the Skype 'meeting' where I asked about the possibility of flexible working (part time/life style roster/fixed roster pattern....call it what you like). I haven't heard a peep out of them since!
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Are you and future GV driver from the same house?
Yes it would be nice to leave at lunch time yes it would be nice to have a 48hr layover in the USA. You might want to ask what other AOC's have 48hr layovers in the East Coast USA...
And then if you don't like 24hr stopovers what about the stop in-between in Europe? Maybe don't do back to backs but then the "commuters" won't be happy...
personally stop overs of less 24 hours should not be allowed
Yes it would be nice to leave at lunch time yes it would be nice to have a 48hr layover in the USA. You might want to ask what other AOC's have 48hr layovers in the East Coast USA...
And then if you don't like 24hr stopovers what about the stop in-between in Europe? Maybe don't do back to backs but then the "commuters" won't be happy...
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A lot of expansion planned:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/62923-primera-air-mulls-new-long-haul-destinations
They will need a lot of pilots if this comes to fruition...
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/62923-primera-air-mulls-new-long-haul-destinations
They will need a lot of pilots if this comes to fruition...
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Dear Mr Angry
Just look at the roster and calculate how many European local nights sleeps you’ll be deprived of, this isn’t really long haul, but long distance short haul, yes Norwegian do flights this long or longer between LPA & North Norway but you don’t have a 5 hour time shift, you even notice a 2 hour shift if you operating up Finland from LPA.
I don’t think anyone expects Hollywood roster patterns and it’s not about that, but going from Monarchs 2 sector home every night pattern to having more nights away a month than you spend in your home bed will be brutal, your partner will expect TLC when you get back you won’t be able to speak or want to.
Most wont be able to do this for more than 6 months, money good or bad is irrelevant.
Just look at the roster and calculate how many European local nights sleeps you’ll be deprived of, this isn’t really long haul, but long distance short haul, yes Norwegian do flights this long or longer between LPA & North Norway but you don’t have a 5 hour time shift, you even notice a 2 hour shift if you operating up Finland from LPA.
I don’t think anyone expects Hollywood roster patterns and it’s not about that, but going from Monarchs 2 sector home every night pattern to having more nights away a month than you spend in your home bed will be brutal, your partner will expect TLC when you get back you won’t be able to speak or want to.
Most wont be able to do this for more than 6 months, money good or bad is irrelevant.
A word of warning if I may:
For a previous employer many years’ ago, I did 870 hours in the last year that I worked for them, and a lot of that was 6-on 2-off.
My commute was the max allowed admittedly, but towards the end of that last year I was like a zombie - and my duties back then did not include any time zone shifts.
Please be careful folks; aviation is not worth sacrificing your health or your family life for. I am not saying this will be the case with the employer in question - but trust me as one who has worked similar sounding rosters; it really isn’t worth it.
For a previous employer many years’ ago, I did 870 hours in the last year that I worked for them, and a lot of that was 6-on 2-off.
My commute was the max allowed admittedly, but towards the end of that last year I was like a zombie - and my duties back then did not include any time zone shifts.
Please be careful folks; aviation is not worth sacrificing your health or your family life for. I am not saying this will be the case with the employer in question - but trust me as one who has worked similar sounding rosters; it really isn’t worth it.
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Well don't bother applying then!
If you're ex Monarch then sit and wait for the good old days to return (I can't believe you are)
Just look at the roster and calculate how many European local nights sleeps you’ll be deprived of, this isn’t really long haul, but long distance short haul, yes Norwegian do flights this long or longer between LPA & North Norway but you don’t have a 5 hour time shift, you even notice a 2 hour shift if you operating up Finland from LPA.
I don’t think anyone expects Hollywood roster patterns and it’s not about that, but going from Monarchs 2 sector home every night pattern to having more nights away a month than you spend in your home bed will be brutal, your partner will expect TLC when you get back you won’t be able to speak or want to.
I don’t think anyone expects Hollywood roster patterns and it’s not about that, but going from Monarchs 2 sector home every night pattern to having more nights away a month than you spend in your home bed will be brutal, your partner will expect TLC when you get back you won’t be able to speak or want to.
If you're ex Monarch then sit and wait for the good old days to return (I can't believe you are)
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Happy with the Red nose job thanks, but I know it's cost us a fortune and some to get long haul off the ground and even with 3 years experience of 787 ops our narrow body Atlantic craic has been hugely expensive and very management time consuming to become established, i do hope Primera have got very deep pockets for when things go wrong as they will, just check out BOS weather tonight
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https://understandingeasa2016ftl.wor...-rest-periods/
A minimum of 3 nights should be positionned after the 2 NAT
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The irony is that in the dying days of Monarch, the owners planned to sell off the family silver (slots) and start a low cost longhaul airline operating the MAXs on just such routes and no doubt rostered in a very similar way.
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And, as I observed the leftovers of a Primera annotated lunch, they appear to be feeding you while at the sim facility! Posh bikkies too.
You'll need all the carbs you can get to do the roster patterns suggested above.
You'll need all the carbs you can get to do the roster patterns suggested above.
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At what point does a regulator step in and put an end to this downward spiral. The proposed roster sets a dangerous precedent as other airlines will surely try and follow.
“Once you get past 16 hours of being awake, that’s when we start to see mental deterioration and physiological deterioration in the body,” Walker says.
“We know that after you’ve been awake for 19 or 20 hours, your mental capacity is so impaired that you would be as deficient as someone who was legally drunk behind the wheel of a car.
“Wakefulness essentially is low-level brain damage.”
https://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/heal...fects-12700764
“Once you get past 16 hours of being awake, that’s when we start to see mental deterioration and physiological deterioration in the body,” Walker says.
“We know that after you’ve been awake for 19 or 20 hours, your mental capacity is so impaired that you would be as deficient as someone who was legally drunk behind the wheel of a car.
“Wakefulness essentially is low-level brain damage.”
https://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/heal...fects-12700764
