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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 15:16   #1 (permalink)
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cityjet Brussels base

Hey good day all, it looks like cityjet is opening a base in Brussels. Anybody with a bit more info on this company these days? I'm interested in direct in Captain position they fly under the Irish flag and the HQ is in the Swords...

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Old 23rd Nov 2017, 17:42   #2 (permalink)
 
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Brussels base has been open for at least a year now. 4 SSJs, more to come. 60-90 hours a month with 40/50 sectors. Plenty of overnights which pays extra. 5/2, 6/3 kind of rosters. Bit of roster instability due to lack of crew as always.

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Old 26th Nov 2017, 06:39   #3 (permalink)
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thank you Saab
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 21:07   #4 (permalink)
 
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I guess it al depends how long the Brussels airlines contract stays in place. I can not imagine if they are going to be under the wings of Eurowings that these wet lease will keep on going on. If not, expect going to be based somewhere else.

Secondly, i think you get in brussels a belgian contract. (High taxes!)

Think twice i would say.

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Old 1st Jan 2018, 23:22   #5 (permalink)
 
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Be aware that you will have a mobility clause in your contract.

What has happened in the past is that guys who joined on the RJ and had paid €22k for the rating (madness I know) were then told (in some cases as little as 6 months after joining) that they were not needed in the base they were in and were offered positions elsewhere/moved under the mobility clause (take your pick). They were almost all offered CRJ/SSJ bases with local contracts (some of which pay less) and a 3 year bond.

It came as a great surprise to noone when almost every single pilot left. I believe that CJ is still training onto the RJ, though it now bonds (€10k I think?).

The business model is one of flexibility. Expect everything from 150h/yr and weeks of sby, to 6-7 sectors a day and consecutive days of minimum rest, with the potential for your base to be changed in conjunction with a bond being foisted on you.

Also, bear in mind that the only help you will get with a base change is 21 nights in a hotel, 3 duty free days, and as little as a months notice of the move. Don't expect a lot of days off to commute home; although it varies, a 6:3 pattern or similar should be expected. The roster is not fixed for the first year, and when it is fixed, it's only fixed for the season, with variable patterns at season changeover and Christmas; your days off may not carry through to the next season. The point of me telling you all that is, don't bother commuting; you need to be happy with permanently living out of a suitcase because as soon as you settle somewhere, you may be asked to move somewhere else on different money.

There are things to be said to the credit of CJ (semi fixed roster, always pays on time, very little pressure to break SOPs to get the job done), but the way that it has treated some of it's crew in the last few years isn't, in my opinion, one of them.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 20:51   #6 (permalink)
 
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But how much it is the net salary for a CJ captain based in Brussels? I know that taxation is at 51% in Belgium !
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 22:16   #7 (permalink)
 
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You are not necessarily taxed in Belgium!
You will pay Belgian social security, but as you work for CJ, an Irish company, you need to read the double taxation agreement between Ireland and your country of residence to determine where you are taxable.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 12:14   #8 (permalink)
 
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but in the job posting for CJ (diret entry Captain in Brussels) they talk about a local contract!
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 14:54   #9 (permalink)
 
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Meaning: Belgian labour laws and Belgian social security, which is EU law by the way.
Income tax is subject to the dual taxation agreement!
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