KLM looking for pilots
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They want to know where you are coming from, what to expect.
Some time ago the Dutch work permit required the candidate to pass an exam in the Dutch language by 18 months after issue.
Some time ago the Dutch work permit required the candidate to pass an exam in the Dutch language by 18 months after issue.
I have flown with FOs from all those schools and to say they maintain some magical high standard is a bit of a reach... it's just another random stage of filtering the hundreds if not thousands of applications. Idiots can fail their way through all of those schools 
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+/- 2 years. Salary for an SO is exactly the same as an FO with the same seniority. That is why most people stay a while longer as an SO. Your choice.
Ah come on. You know that it didn’t happen like that. This is a recruitment opportunity. If you would like to re-start the SCB and Martinair self destruction discussion: go right ahead in another thread.
Ah come on. You know that it didn’t happen like that. This is a recruitment opportunity. If you would like to re-start the SCB and Martinair self destruction discussion: go right ahead in another thread.
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What would the pay be for the next say, ten years, for someone in his thirties, assuming normal career progression?
(if they even hire such old pilots
, nothing surprises me in the NL-aviation scene )
(if they even hire such old pilots
, nothing surprises me in the NL-aviation scene )
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Yes, and yes. Most SOs become FOs on the Embraer or B737, and some (a few) who already have had flying jobs before wait until they can become FOs on one of the intercontinental aircraft. That’s currently about ten years seniority to hold.
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You would start at about €65K, and end up at about 150K, if you were able to become a long haul copilot within 10 yrs.
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Currently residing in the ME3, 27 years old with a bond for 2 years to come. KLM always a dream but now thinking about the financial cut as I have no clue what starting at KLM will earn me roughly per month.
It's a huge step back from 777/787 RHS to a SO but it's KLM or am I lieing to myself. Anyone from KLM care to chat with me?
It's a huge step back from 777/787 RHS to a SO but it's KLM or am I lieing to myself. Anyone from KLM care to chat with me?
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Ok, so after ten years I would be more or less back at where I am now.... I thought it would be worse. Thanks for the info. Any more info would be appreciated, like an exact calculation of pay. I saw a formula ages ago..
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See link in post above. On joining you'll probably be around number 2900 on the seniority list. The other details you can fill in yourself.
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the amounts are all before tax. if you see a % sign it is an indication of what you would receive while working at a reduced production rate (i.e. part-time), which is available after five years or if you have kids.
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The salary figures make interesting reading. They don't seem to have changed significantly since the last tables I saw in 2006! This seems to echo a trend in all the flag carriers, where pilots are working harder and trading ever more benefits in order to keep the top line salary.
Very interesting to compare the 737 Capts with Ryanair's new offer. I suspect that a few people at FR might be more willing to accept the new deal after seeing that, but let's not go there.
Very interesting to compare the 737 Capts with Ryanair's new offer. I suspect that a few people at FR might be more willing to accept the new deal after seeing that, but let's not go there.
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No, the language requirement is perfectly alright.
I don't want to communicate with my colleagues in a third language, which is not my mother tongue.
And I haven't heard of any airline in Spain or South America, not demanding a perfect Spanish Level 6.
I don't want to communicate with my colleagues in a third language, which is not my mother tongue.
And I haven't heard of any airline in Spain or South America, not demanding a perfect Spanish Level 6.
There are quite a number of pilots in KLM that don't speak any Dutch... As all Dutch speak English, I don't see what's the big deal?
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It was the case some years ago that dutch speaking was used as a filter when they had more applications than vacancies. If they are seeking pilots outside NL it might suggest there is not enough home supply. I heard from mates some time ago that, surprisingly, many dutch pilots from other local airlines were rejected. No idea what their standards are, but these guys did;t get to interview. They also had some very strict 'union imposed' age restrictions, but once the supply dried up that was relaxed. They do things their way, as does LH, IB, AZ etc.