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Old 9th Dec 2017, 14:05
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It was the case some years ago that dutch speaking was used as a filter when they had more applications than vacancies. If they are seeking pilots outside NL it might suggest there is not enough home supply. I heard from mates some time ago that, surprisingly, many dutch pilots from other local airlines were rejected. No idea what their standards are, but these guys did;t get to interview. They also had some very strict 'union imposed' age restrictions, but once the supply dried up that was relaxed. They do things their way, as does LH, IB, AZ etc.
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Old 10th Dec 2017, 12:35
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Their standards are high. We have inherited a load of guys KLM forced to retire early. I believe the company has now raised the retirement age again (but there is no way back for those who have already started drawing their unbelievably high pension).
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:12
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For any Dutch speakers lurking around out there, KLM have opened up recruitment again for people with 500 hours jet time. See; https://careers.klm.com/jobs/947/Verkeersvlieger

They’re looking to take on around 400 new pilots in 2019.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 10:50
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Originally Posted by 300-600 View Post
Their standards are high. We have inherited a load of guys KLM forced to retire early. I believe the company has now raised the retirement age again (but there is no way back for those who have already started drawing their unbelievably high pension).
Thank you

No one is forced to retire early at KLM
Retirement age was 56 at 100% and 58 at 80% etc
As of 2015 its 58 at 100%
Pension is high yes, but due to fiscal changes, not so good for the new generation.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 19:49
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Dutch Really a requirement?

Dont see anything on their Site
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by David1991 View Post
Dont see anything on their Site
https://careers.klm.com/jobs/1854/Verkeersvlieger

The vacancy is currently open for an extended period. If you look at the “Algemeen” section it states that a good knowledge of Dutch is required. It also says if you’re not fluent you have to take an exam at “European reference level B2” before starting the selection procedure.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 17:23
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You have to speak Dutch. There is a few pilots in KLM that don’t speak Dutch but most of those are ex KLM UK who managed to get KLM contracts.
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 18:47
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Good News!

The Old Guard leaving with good pension, making room for young and not so young.
That is the principle the Union Deal is all about.
The past is the past. Get over it.

The fact is that there is finally great movement into pension in most Flag Carrier, or real Airlines with proper deals.
Not like the old days, but better then most LOCOs.

With regards to Dutch being required I personally know more then 10 Norwegians that started in KLM with no dutch language skill.
They were better pilots then the Dutch, mind You, and hence were hired.
I have also done a few dozen MCC courses with Dutch F16 and heli crew some time ago, good crew. And brilliant at pilot incapasitation , with Emergency Return.
You all send in an application and quit moaning!
You will all make the left side soon , as the majority of the Captains have retired in 7 to 10 years. ( Math Boys, must study it!)
Pass the test , then You have a choice.
Good Luck to all.
Regards
Cpt B
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 06:52
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp View Post
The Old Guard leaving with good pension, making room for young and not so young.
That is the principle the Union Deal is all about.
The past is the past. Get over it.

The fact is that there is finally great movement into pension in most Flag Carrier, or real Airlines with proper deals.
Not like the old days, but better then most LOCOs.

With regards to Dutch being required I personally know more then 10 Norwegians that started in KLM with no dutch language skill.
They were better pilots then the Dutch, mind You, and hence were hired.
I have also done a few dozen MCC courses with Dutch F16 and heli crew some time ago, good crew. And brilliant at pilot incapasitation , with Emergency Return.
You all send in an application and quit moaning!
You will all make the left side soon , as the majority of the Captains have retired in 7 to 10 years. ( Math Boys, must study it!)
Pass the test , then You have a choice.
Good Luck to all.
Regards
Cpt B
What a Strange way to write a post. Do you purposely mean to write in such an adult>child manner? I sincerely trust you run those MCC courses in a differant way ( ironic that you decided a pilot incap drill and emergency return is the way to determine a good pilot on M(ulti) C(rew) C(operation) course).
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 07:14
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-everyone who has been hired for the last five years can communicate in Dutch.
-pension is still great, don’t know any other company who pays 40%+ pension contribution based on gross earnings.
-the word on the street is we need 100-200 for 2020. But Schiphol has reached it limit. So KLM doesn’t control the grow on it own anymore.
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 07:30
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp View Post
The Old Guard leaving with good pension, making room for young and not so young.
That is the principle the Union Deal is all about.
The past is the past. Get over it.

The fact is that there is finally great movement into pension in most Flag Carrier, or real Airlines with proper deals.
Not like the old days, but better then most LOCOs.

With regards to Dutch being required I personally know more then 10 Norwegians that started in KLM with no dutch language skill.
They were better pilots then the Dutch, mind You, and hence were hired.
I have also done a few dozen MCC courses with Dutch F16 and heli crew some time ago, good crew. And brilliant at pilot incapasitation , with Emergency Return.
You all send in an application and quit moaning!
You will all make the left side soon , as the majority of the Captains have retired in 7 to 10 years. ( Math Boys, must study it!)
Pass the test , then You have a choice.
Good Luck to all.
Regards
Cpt B
Thank you Cpt B!
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 15:00
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Hi everyone,

I am thinking about improving my dutch and applying at KLM. Is there a real chance for foreigners to join or are they mostly looking for nationals?

Did my flighttraining with Swiss with a total of around 4000h on the A320 ans B737, so that should be fine.

Best regards 😃
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 23:09
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Originally Posted by Tom737 View Post
Hi everyone,

I am thinking about improving my dutch and applying at KLM. Is there a real chance for foreigners to join or are they mostly looking for nationals?

Did my flighttraining with Swiss with a total of around 4000h on the A320 ans B737, so that should be fine.

Best regards 😃

You can always try, but I know a couple of very experienced Dutch First Officers who got the PFO because they hadn’t trained at the KLM flightschool. Good luck!
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 09:31
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There are loads of guys who recently joined KLM and dit not come from the KLM flightschool, including me. I haven't heard from anyone that they had a tough time initially. I've flown for 2 other airlines before and must say that life at KLM is pretty relaxed. Speaking Dutch is a necessity though since the common tongue at work is Dutch.

Good luck with the Dutch lessons!
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 08:57
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Thanks for the replies guys!
I will give it a try. Are there rumors about the pilot demand in 2020 at KLM and have they already found enough candidates for 2019?

Best regards 😃
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Old 22nd Aug 2019, 10:24
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Originally Posted by Tom737 View Post
Thanks for the replies guys!
I will give it a try. Are there rumors about the pilot demand in 2020 at KLM and have they already found enough candidates for 2019?

Best regards 😃
assessments for 2019 are still running. For 2020 mixed signals, some say only from KLM flight academy, others say that the target hiring for 2019 will not be met, and that 2020 will see a recruitment drive like in 2019
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 19:34
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Hi all

I am currently in an old legacy up in the north, but with the constant threat of outsourcing and downsizing I am thinking about bailing out.

What's the current situation at KLM? Will there be any more recruitment in the near future?
Just to clarify, is there a requirement to speak Dutch prior to joining KLM?
Looking through this thread some people say its absolutely mandatory while others know of people who got in without knowing Dutch but with the requirement to learn it eventually.

Thankful for any info.
PMs are appreciated also.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 22:19
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Originally Posted by dcoded View Post
Hi all

I am currently in an old legacy up in the north, but with the constant threat of outsourcing and downsizing I am thinking about bailing out.

What's the current situation at KLM? Will there be any more recruitment in the near future?
Just to clarify, is there a requirement to speak Dutch prior to joining KLM?
Looking through this thread some people say its absolutely mandatory while others know of people who got in without knowing Dutch but with the requirement to learn it eventually.

Thankful for any info.
PMs are appreciated also.

-number for 2020 was around 150-200. Around 60 would be from own flightschool.
-at the moment recruitment is on hold due to the virus. Since there are less flights due to the virus, all the slots are used for fleet movement.
-currently Dutch is a must!, the entire recruitment is in dutch. we do have some pilots who only speaks english, those where due to mergers in the past.
-long term recruitment depends on expansion of schiphol.
-and how much air france is growing, because we are only allowed to expand if they do.

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