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Old 24th Nov 2017, 22:26
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They want to know where you are coming from, what to expect.

Some time ago the Dutch work permit required the candidate to pass an exam in the Dutch language by 18 months after issue.
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 06:38
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I have flown with FOs from all those schools and to say they maintain some magical high standard is a bit of a reach... it's just another random stage of filtering the hundreds if not thousands of applications. Idiots can fail their way through all of those schools .
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 12:20
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Originally Posted by fox niner View Post
+/- 2 years. Salary for an SO is exactly the same as an FO with the same seniority. That is why most people stay a while longer as an SO. Your choice.



Ah come on. You know that it didn’t happen like that. This is a recruitment opportunity. If you would like to re-start the SCB and Martinair self destruction discussion: go right ahead in another thread.
Do most SOs transition onto the Cityhopper fleet to become FOs or do some stay as SOs on the intercontinental fleet until they can become an FO there?
 
Old 27th Nov 2017, 16:11
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What would the pay be for the next say, ten years, for someone in his thirties, assuming normal career progression?

(if they even hire such old pilots , nothing surprises me in the NL-aviation scene )
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 17:06
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Originally Posted by 747 forever View Post
Do most SOs transition onto the Cityhopper fleet to become FOs or do some stay as SOs on the intercontinental fleet until they can become an FO there?
Yes, and yes. Most SOs become FOs on the Embraer or B737, and some (a few) who already have had flying jobs before wait until they can become FOs on one of the intercontinental aircraft. That’s currently about ten years seniority to hold.
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Old 27th Nov 2017, 17:36
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Originally Posted by PENKO View Post
What would the pay be for the next say, ten years, for someone in his thirties, assuming normal career progression?

(if they even hire such old pilots , nothing surprises me in the NL-aviation scene )
You would start at about €65K, and end up at about 150K, if you were able to become a long haul copilot within 10 yrs.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 08:11
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Currently residing in the ME3, 27 years old with a bond for 2 years to come. KLM always a dream but now thinking about the financial cut as I have no clue what starting at KLM will earn me roughly per month.

It's a huge step back from 777/787 RHS to a SO but it's KLM or am I lieing to myself. Anyone from KLM care to chat with me?
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 13:07
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Originally Posted by Long Haul View Post
You would start at about €65K, and end up at about 150K, if you were able to become a long haul copilot within 10 yrs.
Ok, so after ten years I would be more or less back at where I am now.... I thought it would be worse. Thanks for the info. Any more info would be appreciated, like an exact calculation of pay. I saw a formula ages ago..
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 17:30
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Originally Posted by Airdancer View Post
Currently residing in the ME3, 27 years old with a bond for 2 years to come. KLM always a dream but now thinking about the financial cut as I have no clue what starting at KLM will earn me roughly per month.

It's a huge step back from 777/787 RHS to a SO but it's KLM or am I lieing to myself. Anyone from KLM care to chat with me?
You can check the salary here: KLM Salaris berekening
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 19:36
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Originally Posted by PENKO View Post
Ok, so after ten years I would be more or less back at where I am now.... I thought it would be worse. Thanks for the info. Any more info would be appreciated, like an exact calculation of pay. I saw a formula ages ago..
See link in post above. On joining you'll probably be around number 2900 on the seniority list. The other details you can fill in yourself.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 19:49
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Originally Posted by reivilo View Post
You can check the salary here: KLM Salaris berekening[/url]
Thanks! The % on the right I assume are for tax?
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 21:34
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the amounts are all before tax. if you see a % sign it is an indication of what you would receive while working at a reduced production rate (i.e. part-time), which is available after five years or if you have kids.
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 05:57
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Ok makes sense. Thank you for your help. Makes the dilemma a bit less
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 09:58
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The five years in service requirement does not exist (anymore). So in theory it's possible to work at reduced production rate after a year in service, without the need of having produced kids.
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 08:24
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The vacancy has now been added to the KLM jobsite for online applications.
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Old 4th Dec 2017, 12:56
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The salary figures make interesting reading. They don't seem to have changed significantly since the last tables I saw in 2006! This seems to echo a trend in all the flag carriers, where pilots are working harder and trading ever more benefits in order to keep the top line salary.

Very interesting to compare the 737 Capts with Ryanair's new offer. I suspect that a few people at FR might be more willing to accept the new deal after seeing that, but let's not go there.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 17:22
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I wish the Dutch was not a requirement to apply in KLM Flight Academy, only to learn dutch eventually. We, the non-Dutch people deserve a chance
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 12:28
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No, the language requirement is perfectly alright.
I don't want to communicate with my colleagues in a third language, which is not my mother tongue.

And I haven't heard of any airline in Spain or South America, not demanding a perfect Spanish Level 6.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 13:34
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There are quite a number of pilots in KLM that don't speak any Dutch... As all Dutch speak English, I don't see what's the big deal?
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 13:38
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Originally Posted by EDDT View Post
No, the language requirement is perfectly alright.
I don't want to communicate with my colleagues in a third language, which is not my mother tongue.

And I haven't heard of any airline in Spain or South America, not demanding a perfect Spanish Level 6.
You could comunicate in English

Originally Posted by reivilo View Post
There are quite a number of pilots in KLM that don't speak any Dutch... As all Dutch speak English, I don't see what's the big deal?
That´s true , I don´t see any problem as long as they commit to learn Dutch, but we have to settle for what there is.
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