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Ryanair pilots identify themselves as new employee council following rostering fiasco

Old 14th Nov 2017, 01:54
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Ryanair pilots identify themselves as new employee council following rostering fiasco

I think it is time for a new thread. Five Ryanair pilots based in Portugal have identified themselves as representatives of a new EERC.

Huge respect for these 5 pilots!

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/...-36317295.html
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 12:15
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Really good news, but I doubt nothing major will happen until the EERC/union manage to organize a strike in two or three major bases at the same time.

It’ll get really ugly Nevertheless massive respect for the guys stepping up.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 22:33
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Rumours abound that STN based pilots are going to accept ryr's offer!


please tell me this isn't true after all that has happened !!!!
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 22:53
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That’s not true
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 22:56
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Just that I heard it from two different independent sources today!.....


I hope you're correct
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 00:02
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I’ve heard rumours that the company is approaching individual pilots with the company bypassing their own ERC process to try and get “tame” individuals into meetings to sign contracts. who knows... this is Ryanair!!
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 09:23
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That's exactly the approach another smaller Irish carrier* based in Swords took recently; call up crew, ask them what they're going to do, make a note of it and dick around with their rosters if they didn't parrot the company line or answer their phone.

Entertainingly, nothing happened if a crew member had told the manager concerned what they wanted to hear and then "changed their mind". Their manager was probably just calling them because (s)he'd been instructed to and had to have known what was going on, but provided (s)he could tick the box (s)he could move on.

So, lying => bad; changing your mind following a telephone call => fine.

Bonus entertainment value was that it screwed with management plans.

*whose name rhymes with easyjet.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 10:40
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Labor problems at Ryan Air piece in the New York Times,
Jet Pilot Might Not Seem Like a ‘Gig,’ but at Ryanair, It Is

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/b...r-pilots.html?
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 11:23
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Originally Posted by skyloone View Post
I’ve heard rumours that the company is approaching individual pilots with the company bypassing their own ERC process to try and get “tame” individuals into meetings to sign contracts. who knows... this is Ryanair!!
Of course they are. Their legal machine is working full pin in order to attempt to intimidate all the people who are trying to expose their disgusting labour practices. It is time for EU to step up if necessary and stop this non sense.

Ryanair brings Irish Independent and journalist to court · TheJournal.ie
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 14:05
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Good to see more are getting involved so hats off to the guys in Portugal !
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 15:59
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The German pilots have also announced a company council
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 20:11
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UK are pushing for unity and consulting on the best way forward. UK legislation is problematic but a combination of ERC UK and BALPA may provide the collectivism that has been missing from UK compared to the rest of Europe. Please hold the line, get behind the union and keep on pushing.... This is not a today struggle that a quick win can resolve - pilots need a collective voice, collective bargaining and the ability to execute collective action if needed to make sure that medium and long-terms needs are also met. Come on guys.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 21:05
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Word from FR troops is that UK regional bases now have high BALPA membership. Folk openly talking about their membership. Fear factor disappearing fast. STN needs work but improving slowly. Some historical resistance but the penny seems to be dropping.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 10:26
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Pressure is rising....
https://www.vcockpit.de/presse/press...ungen-auf.html

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Old 17th Nov 2017, 17:31
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I guess this is the equivalent in English : German union tells Ryanair pilots industrial action is likely | Article [AMP] | Reuters
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 20:28
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Originally Posted by Can737 View Post
Of course they are. Their legal machine is working full pin in order to attempt to intimidate all the people who are trying to expose their disgusting labour practices. It is time for EU to step up if necessary and stop this non sense.

Ryanair brings Irish Independent and journalist to court · TheJournal.ie
Only in Ireland would this type of suppression of the press be entertained by the legal profession. In fairness to the newspaper it had been pro active on reporting the current employer / employee relations.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 21:28
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Ryanair does not recognise trade unions and instead negotiates with pilots via an internal collective bargaining system it says is recognised by Irish law.

This is a quote taken from #15 link to German press release. How does this jive with the declaration by a European court that RYR personnel can take legal action in the courts where they are based? Just because it is claimed the Irish law acknowledges the ERC system, why should that impose it on personnel employed outside Ireland if they have recourse to their local courts? A lawyer may have the answer.
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 02:40
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Irish law acknowledges the ERC system however Ryanair (as usual) is showing no respect whatsoever and on Thursday the ERC in EMA (not the smallest base in the network) was bypassed by the management that, following a visit in the crew room, had the addendum approved after the exorbitant number of 33 pilots voted, out of which 7 against and 7 abstained. Will STN be next?

Current situation is that they are advertising better pay and conditions than Jet2 and Norwegian however people thinking to join should know that it is a blatant lie, and they would be joining a poisonous outfit based on bad treatments, threats, zero respect and especially lies.

They pride themselves of having hired over 1000 pilots in 2017, which may be even the truth, however there was no mention of the 910 pilots that left the company in the period January 2017-October 2017. And majority of those 1000 being two stripes cadets that have and will be waiting for 2/3 months (at 0€/month) to start their line training with a disrupted roster.

The biggest problem here is that the ignorant and low culture people sitting in Dublin think that Ryanair is THE company, and all the workers should be thankful to work for such a gig, bending over for whatever request/abuse they feel like serving that day.

The conditions I outlined should be well known already across the industry, and new pilots joining will get screwed sooner or later, just a matter of time.
If you join you accept all of this. When that happens don’t wonder around the crew room complaining about the t&c, in desperate need of talking with the base captain, as having a conversation with a brick wall would be more profitable.

I salute the guys in Germany and Portugal.
They have been really brave.
I hope that for the sake of the company those actions will lead somewhere better.
Unfortunately though, as of today, the only way to change things for good in there is still to leave for better outfits.

You have been warned (yet again).
Be wise.
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 13:52
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Agreed 100%
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Old 18th Nov 2017, 15:26
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FB: If, as you allege, the approved (by m'luds) collective bargaining system is either not what it says on the tin, or is being bypassed, would it not be incumbent upon them to revisit their original decision? Or is it case that there is nothing wrong until there is a complaint? if that is the case then it is clear & obvious where the solution lies.
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