Ryanair direct contract EU conditions
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With all the bad press at the moment I can't believe that people are still looking to join this outfit. 700 pilots leaving last year should tell you all you need to know.
If you enjoy working in a toxic environment then go for it.....there are better options out there even if that involves commuting.
If you enjoy working in a toxic environment then go for it.....there are better options out there even if that involves commuting.
The Norwegian conditions (OSM) for Europe are available on line: basic 7700, per diem/allowance 1300, flight pay 14 euros per hour and some other bit and pieces, so basically 10,000 euros a month. Be interesting to hear where Ryanair is currently against that benchmark for a permanent contract. I cannot see how getting this information into the public domain can be a bad thing in terms of driving up everyone's pay and conditions. O'Leary has promised after all to match Norwegian. Of course if he is already paying more....
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When it comes to bench marking, the best 737 contract in the UK is arguably Thomson, so that’s all well and good for Ryanair pilots based at the same airport as Thomson crews. Plus the onus is still on the pilots to provide evidence that competitors at the same base pay more, what is considered satisfactory evidence? MOL is still trying to give as little as he can get away with!
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Oh Dear. How the mighty have fallen: or shall do again.
Nothing to do with RYR, but I have reviewed, over the years, the requested/required characteristics of aircrew applying to join airline XYZ. All the usual dross is trotted out about leadership, problem solving, self-reliance, team-player, etc. etc. I never saw 'self-respect & determination' included. Shame that.
Nothing to do with RYR, but I have reviewed, over the years, the requested/required characteristics of aircrew applying to join airline XYZ. All the usual dross is trotted out about leadership, problem solving, self-reliance, team-player, etc. etc. I never saw 'self-respect & determination' included. Shame that.
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Bonway, that pay deal is impressive. However, Spanish taxes are pretty high so I wonder what the net figures would look like! How would the bonus be taxed?
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If you pass all the requirements to get all the allowances below is net figure yearly and monthly in Spain.
salaryaftertax dot com/es
Gross Income: 140,000
Tax Due: 54,373
> Social Security Contribution: 2,775
> Income Tax: 51,598
Net Income: 85,627
Monthly:
Gross Income: 11,667
Tax Due: 4,531
> Social Security Contribution: 231
> Income Tax: 4,300
Net Income: 7,136
salaryaftertax dot com/es
Gross Income: 140,000
Tax Due: 54,373
> Social Security Contribution: 2,775
> Income Tax: 51,598
Net Income: 85,627
Monthly:
Gross Income: 11,667
Tax Due: 4,531
> Social Security Contribution: 231
> Income Tax: 4,300
Net Income: 7,136
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I wonder if the SBH rate will be increased for contractors? I can hardly see all FR pilots being offered ‘employee’ contracts. It’s the small bases that could suffer!
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One thing to remember for outsiders, a Ryanair pay deal is not a normal pay deal. None of those figures are contractual and are subject to change at any time.
25 years ago you could earn incredible money at Ryanair, how did that deteoriate to the point that they can't stop hundreds and hundreds leaving every year?
Throughout years and years of incredible success at Ryanair, the T&Cs went down like the Hindenburg.
Do you trust these new figures? Would you bet, given their track record, that it will stay so appealing beyond next week? O'Leary is practically claiming to have seen the light and repenting for the poor conditions, as though they happened by accident. So why not put them in a contract and not a 'base agreement' (which amounts to nothing but a vague promise from some very untrustworthy guys)?
Why not offer them to all pilots who fly Ryanair planes, not just the minority that have the privelige of being employees?
25 years ago you could earn incredible money at Ryanair, how did that deteoriate to the point that they can't stop hundreds and hundreds leaving every year?
Throughout years and years of incredible success at Ryanair, the T&Cs went down like the Hindenburg.
Do you trust these new figures? Would you bet, given their track record, that it will stay so appealing beyond next week? O'Leary is practically claiming to have seen the light and repenting for the poor conditions, as though they happened by accident. So why not put them in a contract and not a 'base agreement' (which amounts to nothing but a vague promise from some very untrustworthy guys)?
Why not offer them to all pilots who fly Ryanair planes, not just the minority that have the privelige of being employees?
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Spot on TheMightyAtom, I just want to add to that, quality of life. Job can make your life hell or pleasant, you can bring home all the money you want, if it is an empty home, not great.
Get a Union FCS. You will secure good money and decent working conditions at the same time, and it will only get better throughout the years.
Get a Union FCS. You will secure good money and decent working conditions at the same time, and it will only get better throughout the years.
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I wonder if the SBH rate will be increased for contractors? I can hardly see all FR pilots being offered ‘employee’ contracts.
This would assume that, when tested correctly by the tax authorities, the 'contractor model' is declared kosher. Has that test been carried out thoroughly? Do we not hear reports that some countries have it under scrutiny. The Storm/McG rates are less than the BRK rates and the new latest agency rates lower again, so any rise given to contractors would only replace what was taken away in the fist place.
This would assume that, when tested correctly by the tax authorities, the 'contractor model' is declared kosher. Has that test been carried out thoroughly? Do we not hear reports that some countries have it under scrutiny. The Storm/McG rates are less than the BRK rates and the new latest agency rates lower again, so any rise given to contractors would only replace what was taken away in the fist place.
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Is the social security in Spain really so low that you only pay 231 euros? In Germany that figure would be much higher. Again many thanks to those posting real information rather than conjecture. It would be nice to get more transparency as is the case with the hourly pay rate tables in the US. The Spirit pilots won a considerable victory over there, hopefully we can now see a similar improvement in Europe.
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I think Ryanair pilots need to keep pushing for European wide representation instead of negotiating at the base level. Ryanair will keep dangling a bigger and bigger carrot in the hope that individual bases will accept an offers, they desperately want to avoid a unified work force. As already stated, it should be the same deal for all pilots across the network. I think until that happens, people will and should keep Leaving. I didn’t know that the base level deals were not legally binding, in that case it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. Good luck to all the folks at Ryanair, I hope you get the pay you deserve!
As for social security in Spain, I’m no expert, but I know it’s a tiered system, the more you pay into it, the more you are entitled from it.
As for social security in Spain, I’m no expert, but I know it’s a tiered system, the more you pay into it, the more you are entitled from it.
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At the moment this pay deal posted and similar ones are set to be rejected, pending votes in each base. In favour of pushing for a systematic change in employment. MOL will fight such change tooth and nail, he's ideological opposed to the idea of a fair deal, it's bad for the bottom line.
Throwing a few extra k in 'allowances' is what the management consider the minimum effective dose - enough to avoid mutiny, without costing more than it has too.
Ryanair is a big player, their terms and conditions will colour everyone else's in some way, at any airline in Europe and beyond (witness the US pilots associations offering support).
I'm baffled by the people on these threads who want to call the Ryanair pilots spineless etc and sit there, waiting for them to fail.
A victory in achieving equitable terms for all at Ryanair, with a fair system of representative, would be an enormously positive thing for all of us flying in Europe.
Throwing a few extra k in 'allowances' is what the management consider the minimum effective dose - enough to avoid mutiny, without costing more than it has too.
Ryanair is a big player, their terms and conditions will colour everyone else's in some way, at any airline in Europe and beyond (witness the US pilots associations offering support).
I'm baffled by the people on these threads who want to call the Ryanair pilots spineless etc and sit there, waiting for them to fail.
A victory in achieving equitable terms for all at Ryanair, with a fair system of representative, would be an enormously positive thing for all of us flying in Europe.
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Folks, read the condition clauses and take a look back through history. Sickness clauses.... read the small print about recovery of sick days. Uk guys can’t actually comply as doctors won’t issue sick notes for less than five day and FR insist on them after 3 I think. You also have to agree to give up a certain number of days off to help out.... 5/4 roster.... think not! They can and will change any current offerings at any time. This is actually a very poor deal and almost every Ryanair pilot I’ve spoken to has seen the pitfalls. This deal also excludes probably more than 50% of the workforce as it’s presently structured. The feedback is that this is a short term cash ruse and seems to have gone down like a lead ballon! Apparently not much negotiation. I gather folks told, thats it.... vote and sign...Is this the nice cuddly MOL.
