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Yes they did. I personally know of 4 pilots both captains and F.O. who have taken the job, signed the contract and done the type rating.
They are also very experienced pilots with check airmen qualifications, sim instructor qualifications and heavy jet time with no transgressions on their records.
As far as what is happening with FLL and if it is up and running with pilots based there and actually flying out of base...well I have absolutely no idea.
They are also very experienced pilots with check airmen qualifications, sim instructor qualifications and heavy jet time with no transgressions on their records.
As far as what is happening with FLL and if it is up and running with pilots based there and actually flying out of base...well I have absolutely no idea.
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As another one with a definite axe to grind, I find it insulting/frustrating/amusing in equal amounts that the NAS "fanboys" always resort to calling Bondi a Nutter , in preference to banishing to the realms of fiction what he posts. . . . . . I wonder why ?
In recent years contracts/bases/continued employment through the Winter (in some years ) has been a bit of a lottery in the company that Norwegian air Shuttle has deteriorated to.
Those of you defending it to the hilt ? well, try it & see, you may be lucky, or, you may be the next one to be screwed over. . . . good luck with that.
In recent years contracts/bases/continued employment through the Winter (in some years ) has been a bit of a lottery in the company that Norwegian air Shuttle has deteriorated to.
Those of you defending it to the hilt ? well, try it & see, you may be lucky, or, you may be the next one to be screwed over. . . . good luck with that.
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737 is a conventional 3 year bond.. no cash up front but if you leave within 3 they will want some back. Believe 18k over 3 years reducing pro rata.
However I've just heard a rumour NTR on the 73 has just been stopped and candidates will be in a pool for the next while and they will be prioritising TR candidates. As I said only a rumour and I've no idea if true.
However I've just heard a rumour NTR on the 73 has just been stopped and candidates will be in a pool for the next while and they will be prioritising TR candidates. As I said only a rumour and I've no idea if true.
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787 v 737 contract
Which contract seems to be the better option for pilots regardless of aircraft or what you think may be more fun to fly.
At the end of the day job security and career progression has to take precedence.
From what I can see the 737 seems to be the more stable position. Whether that will be a better long term bet than the 787 seems to be anybodys guess right now.
At the end of the day job security and career progression has to take precedence.
From what I can see the 737 seems to be the more stable position. Whether that will be a better long term bet than the 787 seems to be anybodys guess right now.
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737 contract is better, better pension and a few more perks, also all the 737 bases have union recognition, which love or hate unions, has made Norwegian a better place to work.
Job security, well 787 pilots have never been laid off, or made to take part time.
737 this happened in 2014 and 2015, but seems to have stopped now.
Career progression is excellent in both operations, plenty of expansion so plenty of chances for promotions base transfers etc...
Job security, well 787 pilots have never been laid off, or made to take part time.
737 this happened in 2014 and 2015, but seems to have stopped now.
Career progression is excellent in both operations, plenty of expansion so plenty of chances for promotions base transfers etc...
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The ‘airline employee’ is extinct at Norwegian. Aviation career dreams replaced by service industry nightmares of temporary employment – read the contract.
Norwegian's cheerleaders argue your employer is irrelevant. If so, why does PARAT union, who represent Norwegian’s “core” cadre of pilots and flight attendants in Scandinavia, relentlessly continue its fight to win a legal ruling the airline is their real employer? Ref report in DN news 27/2/18:
“Now PARAT’s members appeal the matter of who is the real employer in the Supreme Court”
Link: https://www.dn.no/nyheter/2018/02/27...-norwegian-dom
On its website the Norwegian Pilot Group states; “To form an alliance uniting all Norwegian pilots”
Link: https://norwegianpilotgroup.org/
With more deals being struck than in a Bangkok backstreet market by the various unions representing pilots at the various bases (to their agency employer), and a race to the bottom scheme supported by life forms such as OMDB30R, “an alliance uniting all Norwegian pilots” could not be farther from the truth. Divide and conquer - mission accomplished.
There is indeed a reason the 787 FLL base has stalled. I can offer three words that might help explain it; read my posts.
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Expect the usual gastropods with their dung-pile intellect to leave their usual trail of mucus responses whenever I reply to a question, correct misinformation, offer new information or an opinion on Norwegian – even though in most cases I “copy and paste” supporting links to corroborate my post (as below).
The ‘airline employee’ is extinct at Norwegian. Aviation career dreams replaced by service industry nightmares of temporary employment – read the contract.
Norwegian's cheerleaders argue your employer is irrelevant. If so, why does PARAT union, who represent Norwegian’s “core” cadre of pilots and flight attendants in Scandinavia, relentlessly continue its fight to win a legal ruling the airline is their real employer? Ref report in DN news 27/2/18:
“Now PARAT’s members appeal the matter of who is the real employer in the Supreme Court”
Link: https://www.dn.no/nyheter/2018/02/27...-norwegian-dom
On its website the Norwegian Pilot Group states; “To form an alliance uniting all Norwegian pilots”
Link: https://norwegianpilotgroup.org/
With more deals being struck than in a Bangkok backstreet market by the various unions representing pilots at the various bases (to their agency employer), and a race to the bottom scheme supported by life forms such as OMDB30R, “an alliance uniting all Norwegian pilots” could not be farther from the truth. Divide and conquer - mission accomplished.
There is indeed a reason the 787 FLL base has stalled. I can offer three words that might help explain it; read my posts.
The ‘airline employee’ is extinct at Norwegian. Aviation career dreams replaced by service industry nightmares of temporary employment – read the contract.
Norwegian's cheerleaders argue your employer is irrelevant. If so, why does PARAT union, who represent Norwegian’s “core” cadre of pilots and flight attendants in Scandinavia, relentlessly continue its fight to win a legal ruling the airline is their real employer? Ref report in DN news 27/2/18:
“Now PARAT’s members appeal the matter of who is the real employer in the Supreme Court”
Link: https://www.dn.no/nyheter/2018/02/27...-norwegian-dom
On its website the Norwegian Pilot Group states; “To form an alliance uniting all Norwegian pilots”
Link: https://norwegianpilotgroup.org/
With more deals being struck than in a Bangkok backstreet market by the various unions representing pilots at the various bases (to their agency employer), and a race to the bottom scheme supported by life forms such as OMDB30R, “an alliance uniting all Norwegian pilots” could not be farther from the truth. Divide and conquer - mission accomplished.
There is indeed a reason the 787 FLL base has stalled. I can offer three words that might help explain it; read my posts.
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On 4 March, 2015, Dagbladet news reported comments by SEPLA President, Javier Martinez de Velasco;
“Pilots must be employed by an airline and cannot be hired from an external crew company”
“The bosses and the office workers, and even the ground staff can be hired out, but not the pilots”
Article link:
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/nor...leger/60704442
SEPLA recently signed a collective agreement with Norwegian Air Resources, effectively accepting its members flying for Norwegian are temporary and rented service industry employees and not airline employees. Furthermore, with no union representation to the airline – their real employer.
“Pilots must be employed by an airline and cannot be hired from an external crew company”
“The bosses and the office workers, and even the ground staff can be hired out, but not the pilots”
Article link:
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/nor...leger/60704442
SEPLA recently signed a collective agreement with Norwegian Air Resources, effectively accepting its members flying for Norwegian are temporary and rented service industry employees and not airline employees. Furthermore, with no union representation to the airline – their real employer.
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Here we go again. Bondi posts and a small number then slag him off. Not one ever counteracts his comments with anything that resembles serious rebuttal. Why is that ?
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Solenoid are you type rated? Which seat?
I passed selection in October and despite saying I am available to every single course start date (except one) I have still not been offered one 5 months later. I haven't even been offered June.
NTR FO 4000 hrs. Anyone similar position?
I passed selection in October and despite saying I am available to every single course start date (except one) I have still not been offered one 5 months later. I haven't even been offered June.
NTR FO 4000 hrs. Anyone similar position?
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Either they don’t like me, or they don’t need pilots...
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Solenoid are you type rated? Which seat?
I passed selection in October and despite saying I am available to every single course start date (except one) I have still not been offered one 5 months later. I haven't even been offered June.
NTR FO 4000 hrs. Anyone similar position?
I passed selection in October and despite saying I am available to every single course start date (except one) I have still not been offered one 5 months later. I haven't even been offered June.
NTR FO 4000 hrs. Anyone similar position?
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I don’t have any insider info, however my application, which had been floating around for 2+years has recently been officially rejected - even though I ticked all the boxes and and have all the required experience.
Either they don’t like me, or they don’t need pilots...
Either they don’t like me, or they don’t need pilots...
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On 4 March, 2015, Dagbladet news reported comments by SEPLA President, Javier Martinez de Velasco;
“Pilots must be employed by an airline and cannot be hired from an external crew company”
“The bosses and the office workers, and even the ground staff can be hired out, but not the pilots”
Article link:
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/nor...leger/60704442
SEPLA recently signed a collective agreement with Norwegian Air Resources, effectively accepting its members flying for Norwegian are temporary and rented service industry employees and not airline employees. Furthermore, with no union representation to the airline – their real employer.
“Pilots must be employed by an airline and cannot be hired from an external crew company”
“The bosses and the office workers, and even the ground staff can be hired out, but not the pilots”
Article link:
https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/nor...leger/60704442
SEPLA recently signed a collective agreement with Norwegian Air Resources, effectively accepting its members flying for Norwegian are temporary and rented service industry employees and not airline employees. Furthermore, with no union representation to the airline – their real employer.
Market favours the pilot group now and with the US set to suck in a lot expat pilots back home plus the retirements there will be a lot of openings. I dont work at NAS and cannot comment on the day to day life, satisfaction or happiness levels of a pilot.
Pilots will realise a great opportunity when it comes their way. It may be a great place to work now with a lot of satisfied people however start throwing the $ at pilots and they will up sticks and move.
The Asian contract market is set to explode and the 787 experience will be super useful.
Of course I could be wrong and this is the way forward but I wont be putting all my eggs in one basket...not just yet anyways.
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Probably because he is just ranting on and people are just fed up listening to it.
Yes, everyone at Norwegian would prefer to be directly employed. I don’t think anyone denies that but it is where we are and I don’t see it changing. It isn’t the best arrangement out there for sure but it isn’t the worst and it is becoming more and more common.
Bondi and a few others have obviously had issues with Norwegian in the past and that is a shame but thousands of others don’t. I know guys who have had issues and been dismissed from major UK/EU carriers who have been very much directly employed... I don’t think the employment situation was the reason for the termination in any of the scenarios. I think If you are gonna get fired you will be getting fired one way or another, it doesn’t matter in which way you were removed from the position.
I am very happy at norwegian and 99% of the people I meet at work are all very happy with the company also. It is a low cost carrier so it isn’t perfect but it is a lot nicer place to work than others. They are an airline and need to achieve things occasionally so yes you may end up arguing with planning or Crewing etc if they ask you to go somewhere but if there has been an issue at home etc if you pick up the phone and calls the right dept it is usually a very helpful and considerate response.
It is a different company to that of the past, it is a nice place to work although not perfect.
Yes, everyone at Norwegian would prefer to be directly employed. I don’t think anyone denies that but it is where we are and I don’t see it changing. It isn’t the best arrangement out there for sure but it isn’t the worst and it is becoming more and more common.
Bondi and a few others have obviously had issues with Norwegian in the past and that is a shame but thousands of others don’t. I know guys who have had issues and been dismissed from major UK/EU carriers who have been very much directly employed... I don’t think the employment situation was the reason for the termination in any of the scenarios. I think If you are gonna get fired you will be getting fired one way or another, it doesn’t matter in which way you were removed from the position.
I am very happy at norwegian and 99% of the people I meet at work are all very happy with the company also. It is a low cost carrier so it isn’t perfect but it is a lot nicer place to work than others. They are an airline and need to achieve things occasionally so yes you may end up arguing with planning or Crewing etc if they ask you to go somewhere but if there has been an issue at home etc if you pick up the phone and calls the right dept it is usually a very helpful and considerate response.
It is a different company to that of the past, it is a nice place to work although not perfect.
In fairness to you I will take you at your word as a happy employee and believe you when you say there has been improvements made and a lot of happy people work there.
However this FLL 787 scenario and course date issue seems a little suspect. It is because I know of pilots there now doing the rating that are still in the dark as to what is going on which seems a little odd to me.
However time will tell whether this venture will work or not. NAS must have done something right to be where they are today and clearly people like you are happy there so I will be interested to see what others say going forward.
