Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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The "strike" is just 4 hours, which actually represents a delay due to "extraordinary circumstances " so it will be interesting to see if the pax get any compensation. Although the strike times are pretty early and the impact will be marginal ... lets see!
Marginal? Are you sure you know what you’re talking about?
That’s the whole first wave of flights, followed by the return legs and any other subsequent flights that crew member was due to do during their duty.
That’s the whole first wave of flights, followed by the return legs and any other subsequent flights that crew member was due to do during their duty.
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Just want to make sure I am grasping this correctly - during a live strike of German Ryanair pilots , other Ryanair pilots and aircraft arrived in to operate at a base during a strike?
Or am I off the mark - genuine question.
Or am I off the mark - genuine question.
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I would like to think it was "management pilots" operating those aircraft this morning. Otherwise Ryanair's divide and conquer is as strong as always. It is the same as your fellow workers walking by you on the picket line!!!
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According to the VC twitter account, they did go on strike, but a lot of the flights left on time, crewed by contractors and people from other bases.
Before you all start shouting scabs, remember one thing: in most countries in Europe sympathy strikes are unlawful, and as such, if you're called in to work for strikebreaking purposes in another country, you have no choice but to go to work. Refusing to work will most certainly land you in hot water with the employer, and will also compromise the unions who will most likely be facing a courtcase for inciting unlawful industrial action!
Make sure you know the facts before accusing anyone for 'crossing the picket line'!
Before you all start shouting scabs, remember one thing: in most countries in Europe sympathy strikes are unlawful, and as such, if you're called in to work for strikebreaking purposes in another country, you have no choice but to go to work. Refusing to work will most certainly land you in hot water with the employer, and will also compromise the unions who will most likely be facing a courtcase for inciting unlawful industrial action!
Make sure you know the facts before accusing anyone for 'crossing the picket line'!
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Have in mind the strike was only for 4 hours, so no cancellations could be expected anyway, only delays.
According to FR statement on their website 9 out of 36 departures In Germany this morning have been delayed and that they are happy Ryanair pilots did not follow the call for strike of the "Lufthansa (VC) pilots Union".
What I could see is, that 3 of 5 flights out of each Hahn and Weeze had significant delays until after 9 am, one in Cologne, one in Berlin and one in Karlsruhe/Baden. Frankfurt seemed not to be affected.
According to German press and on their website, VC states they are happy with the outcome. They say the vast majority of the pilots employed by Ryanair that were called to strike were striking and almost half of the flights that could be affected by the strike had significant delays. The flights that operated normally were operated by contractors, who were not called to strike. In Frankfurt they state, most of the pilots are still in probation, so could not strike without risking losing their jobs. They say their plan was not to cause major disruptions short before Christmas but to show Ryanair that they can mobilize employed pilots of Ryanair, which they say was succesful.
According to FR statement on their website 9 out of 36 departures In Germany this morning have been delayed and that they are happy Ryanair pilots did not follow the call for strike of the "Lufthansa (VC) pilots Union".
What I could see is, that 3 of 5 flights out of each Hahn and Weeze had significant delays until after 9 am, one in Cologne, one in Berlin and one in Karlsruhe/Baden. Frankfurt seemed not to be affected.
According to German press and on their website, VC states they are happy with the outcome. They say the vast majority of the pilots employed by Ryanair that were called to strike were striking and almost half of the flights that could be affected by the strike had significant delays. The flights that operated normally were operated by contractors, who were not called to strike. In Frankfurt they state, most of the pilots are still in probation, so could not strike without risking losing their jobs. They say their plan was not to cause major disruptions short before Christmas but to show Ryanair that they can mobilize employed pilots of Ryanair, which they say was succesful.
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If most of those flights got off the ground today then Ryanair have seized the initiative away from the pilots. Management will have seen just how loose the unity is today, I wouldn’t be surprised if they take a harder line over the coming weeks when it comes to negotiations.
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I take your point on board november.sierra. Thrust me I was not shouting scabs- just trying to understand what was happening.
Maybe this is all the more reason for simultaneous striking across a number of bases as was the original plan. I hope the different unions representing each country are in close contact. Must stay united.
Total agreement with MaverickPrime point above.
Maybe this is all the more reason for simultaneous striking across a number of bases as was the original plan. I hope the different unions representing each country are in close contact. Must stay united.
Total agreement with MaverickPrime point above.
I wouldn't read to much into this. Ryanair still need to recruit a multitude of people and the slightest hint that they are back to their old ways will cause those still there to see red.... Remember that this has been driven from within and not by Donald Trump, the BBC, PPRUNE, or any other kooky organisation/person you can think of.
It should be obvious that the various pilot/cabin crew representative groups are talking to each other. They know that they have to act with unity. In this situation they will be waiting on Ryanair's response or lack of to decide their next course of action.
If Ryanair are serious about sorting things for the next ten - twenty years they will keep stum..
It should be obvious that the various pilot/cabin crew representative groups are talking to each other. They know that they have to act with unity. In this situation they will be waiting on Ryanair's response or lack of to decide their next course of action.
If Ryanair are serious about sorting things for the next ten - twenty years they will keep stum..
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Sadly VJW I do know what I'm talking about.. keep your enemies close and your friends even closer! MOL is a slippery creature and the only way this campaign can succeed is with coordinated multi base action. If your sudden roster change has you working from another base and it stinks then it's probably a management rear guard ploy. Best of luck to former colleagues
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If one is called to do flights in another country where colleagues are on strike, then by law you cannot refuse.
You can however develop a fever that will prevent you from going to work!
You can however develop a fever that will prevent you from going to work!
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If one is called to do flights in another country where colleagues are on strike, then by law you cannot refuse.
Under which law do the 'self-employed' contractors work? A friend of mine, who is one, was once confused, and wondered what he might have to do if necessary, because his agency contract said it was subject to English law, where the agency is based, but his Ltd. company is based in Ireland. In this cross border matter where would a contractor stand?
Under which law do the 'self-employed' contractors work? A friend of mine, who is one, was once confused, and wondered what he might have to do if necessary, because his agency contract said it was subject to English law, where the agency is based, but his Ltd. company is based in Ireland. In this cross border matter where would a contractor stand?