Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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PLEASE HAVE A LISTEN.......... AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS ONLY THE HALF OF WHAT "O'LIAR"Y IS UP TO FOR CIRCA 20 YEARS NOW
https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...bc-on-working/
https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...bc-on-working/
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Well done RYA pilots for speaking publicly and for challenging the management, the whole industry is behind you and supports you.
The only way it is going to get better for all the Ryanair pilots is if they unionize, and good on them if they can include cadets in the negotiations, make go away the pay up front type rating and actually negotiate a decent a pay that starts with training. Don't trust MOL, he has proven not to be trustworthy.
https://amp.independent.ie/business/...-36161115.html
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GC with all respect here but the evidence points in the other direction that pilots are leaving.
Saw a passegner on Euronews the other day complaining he couldnt get home... can't remember if he was in Rodez or Burgas...
Don't get me wrong - I hope the guys & girls at Ryanair are able to achieve an improvement in terms for themselves. It was more of a comment relating to the article posted above which pinned the future of FR on the passengers when it appears that it is finally the employees / contractors that need to carpe diem.
If they are successful then it is likely to lift T&Cs for everyone in the industry in Europe as they are such a large player.
Best of luck to all involved.
If they are successful then it is likely to lift T&Cs for everyone in the industry in Europe as they are such a large player.
Best of luck to all involved.
As SLF I am appalled by the apparently inevitable lowering of standards likely to be the outcome of Ryanair plugging gaps in the pilot numbers.
I can just force myself to use that airline when my desired flights cannot be met by alternative providers [a recent trip to Salzburg for example] but hitherto my objections to Ryanair have been on comfort in flight.
Hitherto I have felt safe in the air.
Should I worry in future? There can be little more hazardous than very tired and very unsettled pilots.
I can just force myself to use that airline when my desired flights cannot be met by alternative providers [a recent trip to Salzburg for example] but hitherto my objections to Ryanair have been on comfort in flight.
Hitherto I have felt safe in the air.
Should I worry in future? There can be little more hazardous than very tired and very unsettled pilots.
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What is important to realise is that a possible action by ryr pilots and cabin crew (let’s not forget the hardworking girls and boys in the back! They are grossly underpaid!) will have am effect on all terms and conditions in th European aviation industry. It would be nice to see if ALL pilot and cabin crew unions throughout Europe will vocally back any actions made by RYR crew.
There is still no sign that the public at large give a monkeys about any of this - apart from those directly affected who are rightly livid about it.
Everyone I know books with this operator. They know what is going on, they know the risk to being stranded or cancelled, and they ALL, to a person, still book with them.
Because they are the cheapest.
This will change if and when they have to put prices up.
It's exactly the same as selling cheap milk. Why do people buy it? Price. They don't care where it comes from; how the cows are treated; the effect on the people who work in the industry; where the profits go. It's just cheap - and it works better than any other form of marketing.
End of.
Everyone I know books with this operator. They know what is going on, they know the risk to being stranded or cancelled, and they ALL, to a person, still book with them.
Because they are the cheapest.
This will change if and when they have to put prices up.
It's exactly the same as selling cheap milk. Why do people buy it? Price. They don't care where it comes from; how the cows are treated; the effect on the people who work in the industry; where the profits go. It's just cheap - and it works better than any other form of marketing.
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What the pilots & cabin crew MUST do is not let this become a campaign perceived to be for higher salaries. It is much more than that. The debacle is about not having enough crews- full stop. Why, is a follow up issue. It is not about pilots having to have extra leave; and what about leave for cabin crew? They have not had a mention, but I assume are equally affected.
The cancelling of flights has brought the lack of pilots issue into focus. That has then thrown up the manner in which pilots are contracted etc. Not enough pilots is a management issue. Why too few? Is it purely about T's & C's? Could well be because the shortage is about pilots leaving faster than can be replaced. That is exacerbated by a too rapid expansion: that is a management decision. if the airline consolidated its position then recruitment might keep up with departures. But RYR has to expand to survive. It's the nature of the beast, and that is not the fault of the pilots.
Why so many are leaving is about general T's & C's & zero hour contracts. If RYR can spin tis into a pay rise dispute the pilots will lose public support. The pilots have to 'get the truth out there' and refute with facts the drivel that is being spouted about the situation. RYR's pronouncements are getting all the media attention. There needs to be rebuttals of equal strength.
The cancelling of flights has brought the lack of pilots issue into focus. That has then thrown up the manner in which pilots are contracted etc. Not enough pilots is a management issue. Why too few? Is it purely about T's & C's? Could well be because the shortage is about pilots leaving faster than can be replaced. That is exacerbated by a too rapid expansion: that is a management decision. if the airline consolidated its position then recruitment might keep up with departures. But RYR has to expand to survive. It's the nature of the beast, and that is not the fault of the pilots.
Why so many are leaving is about general T's & C's & zero hour contracts. If RYR can spin tis into a pay rise dispute the pilots will lose public support. The pilots have to 'get the truth out there' and refute with facts the drivel that is being spouted about the situation. RYR's pronouncements are getting all the media attention. There needs to be rebuttals of equal strength.
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FR when you join is nothing more than slavery
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What the pilots & cabin crew MUST do is not let this become a campaign perceived to be for higher salaries. It is much more than that. The debacle is about not having enough crews- full stop. Why, is a follow up issue. It is not about pilots having to have extra leave; and what about leave for cabin crew? They have not had a mention, but I assume are equally affected.
The cancelling of flights has brought the lack of pilots issue into focus. That has then thrown up the manner in which pilots are contracted etc. Not enough pilots is a management issue. Why too few? Is it purely about T's & C's? Could well be because the shortage is about pilots leaving faster than can be replaced. That is exacerbated by a too rapid expansion: that is a management decision. if the airline consolidated its position then recruitment might keep up with departures. But RYR has to expand to survive. It's the nature of the beast, and that is not the fault of the pilots.
Why so many are leaving is about general T's & C's & zero hour contracts. If RYR can spin tis into a pay rise dispute the pilots will lose public support. The pilots have to 'get the truth out there' and refute with facts the drivel that is being spouted about the situation. RYR's pronouncements are getting all the media attention. There needs to be rebuttals of equal strength.
The cancelling of flights has brought the lack of pilots issue into focus. That has then thrown up the manner in which pilots are contracted etc. Not enough pilots is a management issue. Why too few? Is it purely about T's & C's? Could well be because the shortage is about pilots leaving faster than can be replaced. That is exacerbated by a too rapid expansion: that is a management decision. if the airline consolidated its position then recruitment might keep up with departures. But RYR has to expand to survive. It's the nature of the beast, and that is not the fault of the pilots.
Why so many are leaving is about general T's & C's & zero hour contracts. If RYR can spin tis into a pay rise dispute the pilots will lose public support. The pilots have to 'get the truth out there' and refute with facts the drivel that is being spouted about the situation. RYR's pronouncements are getting all the media attention. There needs to be rebuttals of equal strength.
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seems like the ERC structure that has been used for so many years to fragment the bases and set each one apart is being used to unify the pilot community. STN pilots have organised themselves and are sending communications the other ERC's, their union, Ryanair and the press. well done all Ryanair STN based pilots - keep unity, keep strong.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...h-o-deary-jibe
Lufthansa giving "O'Dreary" a taste of his own medicine!
Lufthansa giving "O'Dreary" a taste of his own medicine!
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Ryanair
I retired 19 years ago from an employer who treated us decently. I have no complaints about my pension (Except losing out a proportion that had to be hived off to ex-wife! My fault if I am honest).
I was well aware that Ryanair treats its staff in a “strange” manner. But – and I might have misunderstood – to require pilots to pay for accommodation when routinely checked in the Sim and to have to buy water when flying, simply beggars belief
There seems to be worldwide a shortage of pilots. It’s easy for me, happy in retirement, to say what you should be doing now. But it is ESSENTIAL that you stand up to O’Leary, not just as Ryanair employees, but as representatives of pilots worldwide. He needs you and he can’t simply be allowed bribe you with cash. Call his bluff.
I was well aware that Ryanair treats its staff in a “strange” manner. But – and I might have misunderstood – to require pilots to pay for accommodation when routinely checked in the Sim and to have to buy water when flying, simply beggars belief
There seems to be worldwide a shortage of pilots. It’s easy for me, happy in retirement, to say what you should be doing now. But it is ESSENTIAL that you stand up to O’Leary, not just as Ryanair employees, but as representatives of pilots worldwide. He needs you and he can’t simply be allowed bribe you with cash. Call his bluff.
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There is no charge for interviews and Ryanair does not charge for training. Ryanair does not have any ‘zero hour contracts’ and no pilots are flying for “€20 an hour” and free filtered water is available to all crew.
How can a spokesman from Ryanair has no shame to say so much bull**** and lie in the press ? I always wondered if those kind of men sleep well after selling their own families for few extra pound ...
How can a spokesman from Ryanair has no shame to say so much bull**** and lie in the press ? I always wondered if those kind of men sleep well after selling their own families for few extra pound ...
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Read most of this now and I flew for Ryanair for nearly 8 years as Cadet. F/O then Captain.
And I have to say its just gone south since day 1 and I would rather go bankrupt with no flying job and go back to working in McDonalds than return there.
MOL clearly has zero respect for pilots from his comments in the media (Goodies) I mean seriously.
He needs forcing out by the pilots and passengers for losing money and causing hassle and stress. There is no other way. He knows no other way clearly.
I really don't get it. If I had built such a business that makes so much money id be bored by now.... He knows he can do it..... Id want to try been the best employer and lose the huge legal team for a change and see what happens. New challenge.
But never going to happen until he's left the building and a few of his minions along with him.
And I have to say its just gone south since day 1 and I would rather go bankrupt with no flying job and go back to working in McDonalds than return there.
MOL clearly has zero respect for pilots from his comments in the media (Goodies) I mean seriously.
He needs forcing out by the pilots and passengers for losing money and causing hassle and stress. There is no other way. He knows no other way clearly.
I really don't get it. If I had built such a business that makes so much money id be bored by now.... He knows he can do it..... Id want to try been the best employer and lose the huge legal team for a change and see what happens. New challenge.
But never going to happen until he's left the building and a few of his minions along with him.
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Once again, get unionised all together, go on strike all together and no RYR aircraft should leave the ramp till not only the terms and conditions has been solved, but also till big moron f...ing clown O Lairy and the rest of his management are no longer at the controls of this airline.
You all deserve a better management!
You all deserve a better management!
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I've flown with Ryanair on average twice a year since 2003. Being in the aircraft industry, I've known of some of their dodgy employment practices but hadn't realised it was quite so bad. We always plan our holiday trips well in advance and we had been planning to use Ryanair again in 2018 but that has all changed. We will be using Eurostar next year. A major factor in this decision is that we usually book our hotels on a non-refundable basis so we would lose all our money if the flight was cancelled but the way Ryanair treat their staff is also a major factor. I hope that the repugnant MOL goes and that all their staff get the decent employer they deserve.
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"I tell my employees that we're in the service business, and it's incidental that we fly airplanes. ... The spirit of Southwest Airlines is exuberant, it's caring, it's dedicated, it's diligent, it's fun, it's rewarding, it's a joy. ... You can't have a mid-life crisis in the airline ...Herb Kelleher"
I don't think MOL was listening too well all those years ago.I think his people skills are terrible and this is the end result.Should go and play with his herds of racehorses.
I bet Southwest lose 1/100th of the pilots RYR do.
I don't think MOL was listening too well all those years ago.I think his people skills are terrible and this is the end result.Should go and play with his herds of racehorses.
I bet Southwest lose 1/100th of the pilots RYR do.
