Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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Picking pennies
Just have in front of me the deals for various bases , the company insist for a vote (why would they need a vote so desperately if they say they are recognizing a new way to deal with us and just want us 20% better off??)
My situation would go up 18% total including pension . 8% not including th 33% Pension hike (again pension only if you also hike your contribution)
Please guys stop picking pennies and look at the political / moral / long term situation of the company .
Let’s stop looking at the finger , let’s look at the moon.
Thanks
My situation would go up 18% total including pension . 8% not including th 33% Pension hike (again pension only if you also hike your contribution)
Please guys stop picking pennies and look at the political / moral / long term situation of the company .
Let’s stop looking at the finger , let’s look at the moon.
Thanks
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I understand Depone of just giving informative posts about the money.
Damianik is correct, I think we can all agree that the majority what the company does for employees is way below standards and not even remotely close to any other airline.
People should concentrate on bigger things. Leaving is always an option.
Damianik is correct, I think we can all agree that the majority what the company does for employees is way below standards and not even remotely close to any other airline.
People should concentrate on bigger things. Leaving is always an option.
It's so eazy....
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Again the fact you don’t use all the money they pay us for expenses- doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t and doesn’t mean the rest of us call it or treat it as ‘salary’. I for one spend about £1500 a year on income protection insurance and same again for private healthcare- both of which comes out of my net salary. Add to that food/water/Medical/uniform/car parking etc and I spend more than they give us. Remembering of course the £6k quoted is a gross figure NOT the net figure we actually receive.
The above things are only some of the perks provided free in other competitor airlines.
You aren’t just stating facts by saying you treat expenses they pay us as salary, this is your opinion and misleading. Additionally adding the £12k productivity bonus to your salary is simply talking about maximum potential earnings and while is appears it’s fairly straight forward to achieve, it is Ryanair that has convinced you to call this salary in order for it to sound better.
If you use £127k as the new deal not including pension, then let’s minus the £6k expenses and that gives you £121k. For a fair comparison, EasyJet’s maximum earnings (basic+ 15% loyalty bonus+ 5% personal bonus+sector pay) is over £140k not including pension or the benifits Ryanair gives us money for. It also doesn’t include benifits Ryanair doesn’t give us money for which include but not limited to an amazing (by comparison) staff travel system.
Whether you’re happy or not, Ryanair’s new deal, which is designed to stop us leaving is miles away from its biggest competitor and the reason so many of us are still leaving.
The above things are only some of the perks provided free in other competitor airlines.
You aren’t just stating facts by saying you treat expenses they pay us as salary, this is your opinion and misleading. Additionally adding the £12k productivity bonus to your salary is simply talking about maximum potential earnings and while is appears it’s fairly straight forward to achieve, it is Ryanair that has convinced you to call this salary in order for it to sound better.
If you use £127k as the new deal not including pension, then let’s minus the £6k expenses and that gives you £121k. For a fair comparison, EasyJet’s maximum earnings (basic+ 15% loyalty bonus+ 5% personal bonus+sector pay) is over £140k not including pension or the benifits Ryanair gives us money for. It also doesn’t include benifits Ryanair doesn’t give us money for which include but not limited to an amazing (by comparison) staff travel system.
Whether you’re happy or not, Ryanair’s new deal, which is designed to stop us leaving is miles away from its biggest competitor and the reason so many of us are still leaving.
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EasyJet’s maximum earnings (basic+ 15% loyalty bonus+ 5% personal bonus+sector pay) is over £140k not including pension or the benifits Ryanair gives us money for. It also doesn’t include benifits Ryanair doesn’t give us money for which include but not limited to an amazing (by comparison) staff travel system.
Whether you’re happy or not, Ryanair’s new deal, which is designed to stop us leaving is miles away from its biggest competitor and the reason so many of us are still leaving.
Whether you’re happy or not, Ryanair’s new deal, which is designed to stop us leaving is miles away from its biggest competitor and the reason so many of us are still leaving.
Ok I’m comparing the contract I’ve just signed to the one I’m serving notice for. And ‘trying’ to compare like for like with maximum possible earnings at both - which I’ve said again here and on my post above.
RYR will state every possible amount bonus/pension/expenses to bump up the ‘sound’ of the package. Most other airlines don’t, but for comparison I did so it’s easy to see there’s still a big difference.
For my own knowledge (and so I can double check) would you kindly let me know which bases don’t not receive the Loyalty bonus at Easy.
RYR will state every possible amount bonus/pension/expenses to bump up the ‘sound’ of the package. Most other airlines don’t, but for comparison I did so it’s easy to see there’s still a big difference.
For my own knowledge (and so I can double check) would you kindly let me know which bases don’t not receive the Loyalty bonus at Easy.
Ok interesting to know. I’ve a friend in pmi and it’ll take more than no loyalty bonus before i start thinking he’s got a bad deal.
Back to topic we were talking about UK RYR contracts and to avoid any further confusion I’m comparing it to the LGW Easy contract.
Back to topic we were talking about UK RYR contracts and to avoid any further confusion I’m comparing it to the LGW Easy contract.
Hmmm. I see what you're all saying about expensese. But nobody spends £6k on them!
I've always said this is a personal decision and many lifestyles are not suited to certain employers in this industry.
For instance, personally, I wouldn't want to be based in the London area, particularly around LGW because of the massive jump in property prices.
I'm based north of London and my reduced outgoings on property is greater than the alleged increase in take home pay offered by Easyjet.
Added to that, much debated 5/4 roster is indeed good for me, but for others it makes no difference.
Horses for courses.
I've always said this is a personal decision and many lifestyles are not suited to certain employers in this industry.
For instance, personally, I wouldn't want to be based in the London area, particularly around LGW because of the massive jump in property prices.
I'm based north of London and my reduced outgoings on property is greater than the alleged increase in take home pay offered by Easyjet.
Added to that, much debated 5/4 roster is indeed good for me, but for others it makes no difference.
Horses for courses.
Yes that’s correct. For me it’s about £22k over 36 months on the UK contract.
Even with this money removed I’ll be making more than I do in RYR. Please tell me what point it is you’re trying to make? Getting ‘clobbered’ by paying us a more than Line Training Captain’s make in RYR is a word I wouldn’t chose to use.
A few of the comments above are beginning to imply that RYR is a better deal than Easy. Is that the intention of the last few comments?
Even with this money removed I’ll be making more than I do in RYR. Please tell me what point it is you’re trying to make? Getting ‘clobbered’ by paying us a more than Line Training Captain’s make in RYR is a word I wouldn’t chose to use.
A few of the comments above are beginning to imply that RYR is a better deal than Easy. Is that the intention of the last few comments?
Yup I can’t answer that. But having run the numbers, it’s a no brainer for me. Even with this money removed I think my net salary will be as near as dammit the same - and that’s comparing to the ‘new deal.’ I applied and passed the assessment with Easy Long before all this mess kicked off at RYR. At that point the easy basic salary alone was more than the ENTIRE package at RYR.
The point I’m clearly not making very well, is the new deal at RYR hasn’t convinced me to stay.
The point I’m clearly not making very well, is the new deal at RYR hasn’t convinced me to stay.
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RYR REFUSE TO MEET ECA!
Dear Me, they have done it again!
How slow can they be? Is there no understanding that if they do not start treating and pay the crew properly the operation of 10 to 20% of the production will stop!
If Oleary is not gone in a few weeks and the upper management flushed and some proper managers installed promptly, this multi BILLION euro business is at risk.
Owners wake up!
Pilots stay AWAY!
To all pilots: Help fight the RYR battle,it ruins the industry!
How slow can they be? Is there no understanding that if they do not start treating and pay the crew properly the operation of 10 to 20% of the production will stop!
If Oleary is not gone in a few weeks and the upper management flushed and some proper managers installed promptly, this multi BILLION euro business is at risk.
Owners wake up!
Pilots stay AWAY!
To all pilots: Help fight the RYR battle,it ruins the industry!
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Ryanair, in a letter in response to ECA on Wednesday, described those claims as “materially inaccurate”.
Quote from Saturday's DT. business.
"Ryanair has been referred to both HMRC and labour market bodies after claims it failed to fully respond to MP's questions about employment and pay practices. Two parliamentary committees asked authorities to investigate, citing RYR's refusal to co-operate with inquiries. RYR called the comments 'inaccurate'.
Seems there is only one version of the truth and there are a lot of 'inaccuracies' flying about.
Quote from Saturday's DT. business.
"Ryanair has been referred to both HMRC and labour market bodies after claims it failed to fully respond to MP's questions about employment and pay practices. Two parliamentary committees asked authorities to investigate, citing RYR's refusal to co-operate with inquiries. RYR called the comments 'inaccurate'.
Seems there is only one version of the truth and there are a lot of 'inaccuracies' flying about.
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I am wondering if pilots are still leaving. Does anyone have some numbers on the amount of pilots that are leaving? I know that some experienced FO's from my base are leaving. And some captains that are looking into china.
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Is there much strike action planned going forward? Especially in Spanish , Portuguese, German , Irish bases. Alot of people looking to book summer holidays etc ... . family and friends asking the same question , not sure what advice to be passing on!
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I have no firm or verifiable info but a couple I’ve spoken to at FR say that as things stand the summer schedule is going to be pretty “tight”. The feeling from them was that any sort of discruption will be rather uncomfortable and will rely on pilot goodwill to fill in the gaps... one suggested that if union talks don’t progress that goodwill might not be there. Also suggested was that the impasse with management could see summer strikes on the cards. Feelings perhaps that MOL is starting to dig his heels in now that the immediate pressure is off? Take from that what you will....
