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Old 16th Dec 2017, 16:21
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not sure i follow this strategy. if Ryanair has offered the pilot unions talks on recognition (at last) to avert strike action. No one knows where these talks will lead yet and clearly it could be the airline simply buying a few weeks time. However, in this time surely the unions will grow stronger now that the momentum is with the pilots. carrying out strike action until a meeting seems odd. No employer is accept a huge list of demands before talks begin. if Ryanair have completely betrayed their pilots on recognition talks, they will realise any action next will be a lot more widespread.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 16:44
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No one trusts them at the moment and I think the unions are right to proceed in this manner. I mean its only an important matter that can potentially ground a lot your aircraft.... ulterior motive?
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 17:12
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One would be a fool of monumental dimensions to believe this RYR mob. They Will try to screw you over, play you and Lie as history has shown again and again. They WILL NOT come around WITHOUT a show of force. Stay focused and Carry out strikes and hit them hard as planned until a deal is actually signed. If they dont have time to meet NOW, this is not important enough for them. Maybe a show of force Will make them come to table faster.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 17:34
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Ryanair offers to meet with union ahead of strike action

The management is finally "offering" to meet on Tuesday.


https://amp.independent.ie/business/...mpression=true
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 20:34
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It's actually death by a thousand self inflicted cuts for FR the way they're doing things. The not recognising unions game is up but they just cannot bring themselves to admit it.

It's a PR disaster!
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 23:27
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Looks like MOL just wants to gain time.
Stay focused ! Don't let your guard down ! Hold your ground firmly !
One more "small" detail. In this era of Android and Whatsup, it is wise to assume he is well aware of all your plans and intentions.

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Old 17th Dec 2017, 08:03
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When assessing the enemy consider this:

  1. They may not count what you think is important
  2. Make sure the target of your actions shows up in their excel spread sheet.


Mr O'Leary will face sustained revenue pressure, this affects cash flow.
Shareholders start to worry when it impacts...
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 13:32
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Hope the negotiators not only think of there own wallet but also represent the joining cadets e.g. getting them some basic pay during training.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 14:17
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Never call off a strike on a promise. You call the strike off on a signature.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 14:49
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mol

mol is the most disgusting individual EVER involved in aviation. As mentioned don't trust him any further than you could throw him even though he is a bit of a little prick. Does he ever have his glasses on his eyes or does he have another set on top of his head.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 18:00
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Spoke to a mate who’s UK based. Seems MOL is playing a bit of a game. On Friday FR had a conference call with base captains. Shortly afterwards his BC was on the phone in not too desperate tones imploring pilots to sign latest offer. This offer includes a clause that ties them into a five year deal and agrees to abide by Ryanair’s version of ERC negotiation and specifically excludes unions. So if you want a union negotiated deal, wait five years. Base captains claiming Ryanair won’t enforce this clause but unlikely to remove..... mmmm.. Initial impressions are the Leopard isn’t looking to change his spots?
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 20:13
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This would explain why he is pushing to the latest possible the meetings with unions.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 20:55
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MOL is taking the pi*s out of you guys.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 03:18
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Remember the guys starting the first McDonalds restaurant and how that one went down in the end for them despite what was said. Also knowing the thirty year history of union busting in contrast to the latest apparent change in stance it must be better placing all bets and action going forward on the known past rather then the latest which still remains to be seen if it’s genuine or not...
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 08:00
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I think that it’s fair to say some unions have been their ( members) own worst enemy, the miners union is one and Southern rail through ASLEF & the RMT, these unions have been hijacked by people with a poltical agenda, BALPA seems far more pragmatic and reflects the difference between representing employees in the private sector ( where in the UK at least) government bailouts are rare.

Unions seek to improve the lot of employees, that tends to cost money and that is why MoL and his investors don’t want to go there.

Unions hard won deals to protect employees rights in redundancy probably killed of any chance of a rescue of Monarch and bmibaby before them, it’s just to complicated or rather it’s easier to start a fresh than merge seniority, t&c’s let alone pension liabilities

MoL has invested huge amounts of time and money to avoid union recognition, he has no problem with unions provided they’re his unions, why does he say he will only deal with unions that are represented by FR employees? it’s is implied that that he can then apply pressure on individuals and here you have to look at their track record.

I would recommend you keep an open mind, but keep your eyes even more so ditto your ears, it will like end in one of two ways

1) a pet union thrown a few cheap crumbs that cost Ryanair little, maybe even save a few bob given the creativity shown in the past ( remember the 50p wheelchair levy on all passengers)

2) individual base shut downs in the way that they dealt with union demands in CPH yet they continue to operate flight to/from there! oh I see you’re active on the union front off to Gdańsk or Marrakesh for you and congratulations on the birth of your new daughter BTW

Good luck with all this the industry supports you but we know your up against a nasty piece of work.
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 14:46
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Ryanair has recognised unions

This thread will shortly go to another forum but I thought the earthquake was worth reporting. Yes, it may not mean what it meant in the past but it IS a change.
Ryanair has recognised unions. Hell must have frozen over
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...unions-airline
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 14:04
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At the same time, there seems to have been some frank talking. "New operations boss admits staff are miserable", unless the re-hired operations chief is speaking seriously off-hymn sheet.

Could the iceberg of indifference be thawing, just a bit? A $5bn drop in market capitalisation over two weeks might prompt investors to think the CalPers fund's call to sack the entire management team isn't such an outlandish idea.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 21:04
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Not a word from M O'L. Methinks he's being sidelined.

Black and white doesn't work in the world of business. Money talks.
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 11:02
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errrrrr it was miserable when PB was there previously....
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 15:20
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German Ryanair pilots will strike Friday 22nd. from 05:01 - 08:59 AM
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