Ryanair €10000 signing bonus!
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The devil is in the detail! its actually described as a " salary advance" in which case it is taxable, and repayable if the pilot leaves within 2 years of joining. In essence is no different to German pilots getting 13 salary payments in a year, except they don't have to pay back! But yes, a kick in the balls for existing loyal Captains, maybe they should get a similar "golden handcuff" payment as NATS procedures. if the incentive keeps planes in the air, its a reasonable carrot from the bean counters
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nice one Ryanair. Put a drop in an ocean in a market where there are airlines paying that over your wages every single month. When are Ryanair pilots going to wake up. Now they even have their own company insulting them by paying newbies more then them
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... however following a 21-month gap in new 737 deliveries from Boeing between Jan 2013 and Sep 2014, we have a one-off gap in the flow of senior FO’s with the experience to meet our minimum requirements for promotion to Captains ...
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By all accounts, this has gone down like 
soup at Ryanair, especially with those Senior FOs that are making decisions about their future. No doubt their own decisions will be made easier, especially with Jet2 expanding in Stansted.
Shows desperation at Ryanair, the wheels are definitely coming off. Good.
soup at Ryanair, especially with those Senior FOs that are making decisions about their future. No doubt their own decisions will be made easier, especially with Jet2 expanding in Stansted.Shows desperation at Ryanair, the wheels are definitely coming off. Good.
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Its happening...shortages must be hurting them.
First they reduced the entry requirement for the fo upgrade 10e extra per hour.
Then they announced bonding for new cadets
Now this.
It didnt take a scientist to work out that the rate staff are leaving and the 300 aircraft on order is simply never going to work!!
First they reduced the entry requirement for the fo upgrade 10e extra per hour.
Then they announced bonding for new cadets
Now this.
It didnt take a scientist to work out that the rate staff are leaving and the 300 aircraft on order is simply never going to work!!
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interesting - certainly shows the urgency - although simply a short term pain for them; they will never not have another plan.
Ive heard all those excuses of - never will I pay or anything - bottom line everyone has a price.
Ive heard all those excuses of - never will I pay or anything - bottom line everyone has a price.
Its happening...shortages must be hurting them.
First they reduced the entry requirement for the fo upgrade 10e extra per hour.
Then they announced bonding for new cadets
Now this.
It didnt take a scientist to work out that the rate staff are leaving and the 300 aircraft on order is simply never going to work!!
First they reduced the entry requirement for the fo upgrade 10e extra per hour.
Then they announced bonding for new cadets
Now this.
It didnt take a scientist to work out that the rate staff are leaving and the 300 aircraft on order is simply never going to work!!
No airline in history has ever been short of pilots, as you need sufficient quantity of this (sort of) expensive commodity to safely run an operation.
As every Ryanair aircraft takes off with the full complement of (at least) two pilots, then, by definition, they must be FULLY crewed?
Please think before posting in future.
M. Stooge.
P.S. And PLEASE don't bleat on about 'safety'. If the passengers can walk away at the end of the flight, then it is officially safe. Take my word for it - statistics don't lie.
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...and those are just the kinds of 'statements of fact' which I have heard coming from Aviation House in the past.
Ryanair ought to be an excellent place to work. There are many facets of the operation which could make it nirvana. However, a significant number of my colleagues seem to have done their stint, and when you find yourself flying with so many good folk who have been there and didn't stay, it's an easy decision not to bother joining, simply to find out for yourself that it's not a comfortable place to be.
Money alone won't solve that one.
Ryanair ought to be an excellent place to work. There are many facets of the operation which could make it nirvana. However, a significant number of my colleagues seem to have done their stint, and when you find yourself flying with so many good folk who have been there and didn't stay, it's an easy decision not to bother joining, simply to find out for yourself that it's not a comfortable place to be.
Money alone won't solve that one.
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Same time probably not the optimum way to run a airline as well saying that it's always fully crewed while having planes on the ground. Waste and hardly best use of resources, i e lease expenses for unused frames and bad for shareholders.
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fire and brimestone/aviation house...
you mistook my comment. it is not just about trying to crew an aircraft for today, tomorrow, even next week. they need to crew an additional 300 aircraft in the next 5 years, probably around 2500 pilots, and they have a huge attrition rate, from my personal experience just under 50% of my type rating having left or in process of leaving in 2 years from completing course is staggering.
It is clear now it is effecting them, when have ryanair ever offered to increase wages, offer bonuses or bond cadets!! They are not doing it for the own social responsibility! In fact the pay only ever goes down at ryan! (look at brookfield Vs Storm Vs The german bluesky agency).
For short term they are short staffed, people being carted about around the network left right and center, not just contractors but ryanair contract staff also, which traditionally they never did as the company would hotel them, far easier to send a contractor out of base to fend for themselves. Even flying in 120 cabin crew from dub to stn each day to cover shortages on the other side of the door.
I dont have an axe to grind, but when you see a company treat people the way they do, they have reaped what they sowed. For example, a colleague broke his ankle getting off the learjet, and was off for 3 months, as a contractor got zero pay. He broke his ankle at work! not like he was skiing or doing motorsports! have some human decency!
And, I never once mentioned that I do not think they are safe.
you mistook my comment. it is not just about trying to crew an aircraft for today, tomorrow, even next week. they need to crew an additional 300 aircraft in the next 5 years, probably around 2500 pilots, and they have a huge attrition rate, from my personal experience just under 50% of my type rating having left or in process of leaving in 2 years from completing course is staggering.
It is clear now it is effecting them, when have ryanair ever offered to increase wages, offer bonuses or bond cadets!! They are not doing it for the own social responsibility! In fact the pay only ever goes down at ryan! (look at brookfield Vs Storm Vs The german bluesky agency).
For short term they are short staffed, people being carted about around the network left right and center, not just contractors but ryanair contract staff also, which traditionally they never did as the company would hotel them, far easier to send a contractor out of base to fend for themselves. Even flying in 120 cabin crew from dub to stn each day to cover shortages on the other side of the door.
I dont have an axe to grind, but when you see a company treat people the way they do, they have reaped what they sowed. For example, a colleague broke his ankle getting off the learjet, and was off for 3 months, as a contractor got zero pay. He broke his ankle at work! not like he was skiing or doing motorsports! have some human decency!
And, I never once mentioned that I do not think they are safe.
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The market will never again be as good for pilots as it is now, or at least there's a very low possibility of it. We are heading toward full automation of aircraft and if i were you guys (those considering signing this deal) I'd be asking for a lot more than 10k (which I'd be skeptical about ever actually seeing in a pilot's bank account) for signing up with probably the most successful airline ever in the history of airlines.