Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Terms and Endearment
Reload this Page >

Air Berlin filing for bankruptcy?

Terms and Endearment The forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.

Air Berlin filing for bankruptcy?

Old 21st Nov 2017, 11:04
  #221 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Fiji
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by EcamSurprise
It's unfair that EW own FOs will get command before people joining from another airline?
This isn't a normal take over but rather a bankrupt airline having some of its assets and people saved.

Its a too big picture for people not really involved. The fact is, aircraft will change with crews. Because Crews make the price. The AOC with the best option will get the staff, and because of that the A320´s will move to that AOC.
It hasn't been finally decided yet which aircraft is going where. Yes 13 to LGW blabla bull**** ! if they don't get the staff they don't get the AC.
So if all airberlin staff join EWD they just rise the volume. If upgrades are made procentually, nobody will loose anything.
gnarlberg is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 11:08
  #222 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: I wouldn't know.
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Well, Easyjet seems to have a lot of applications at the moment and is indeed the preferred airline for many air berlin pilots. Not only those based in Berlin, many consider moving or even other bases in the easyjet network.

Last edited by Denti; 21st Nov 2017 at 17:52.
Denti is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 11:37
  #223 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Fiji
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
thats true.
gnarlberg is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:29
  #224 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: MXP
Posts: 1,257
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Why should EZY reward seniority for the time served in AB?
I do not get that.
a350pilots is offline  
Old 21st Nov 2017, 22:39
  #225 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Not At Home
Posts: 2,448
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Happy pilots are a lot more efficient that ones who feel hard done by?
EcamSurprise is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 00:21
  #226 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: MXP
Posts: 1,257
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Does this statement apply for easyJet pilots at certain bases, in which NO loyalty bonus is paid for service years? Seems quite unfair to me. In EZY most AB pilots will receive a substantially better package than their former employer anyway.
a350pilots is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 01:29
  #227 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Frankfurt
Posts: 80
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There is no seniority list at EZY.

Let´s say there is a FO, who worked 8 years for Air Berlin. He was due to upgrade to captain next year.
Joining EZY he'll get his upgrade much quicker than with Eurowings Germany (where a seniority list has existed for decades).

That´s why those Air Berlin pilots prefer a new job with EZY . (and because the package for a lowcost airline is good)
EDDT is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 12:02
  #228 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: MXP
Posts: 1,257
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This was not my point. A previous poster stated that the time in AB is rewarded as per bonus schemes. Although there is no seniority scheme with regards
to upgrading, there is a waiting list of all the bases with regards to command course allocation once you have been accepted to start the command process. People also can bid for a certain base, hence people can get a quicker command for unpopular bases. On the other hand for popular bases, one can wait for many years. For AB, it is a different story, as it has been acquired as per the deal to receive the slots in SXF, and the commitment to employ AB crew if they apply and pass the recruitment.
a350pilots is offline  
Old 22nd Nov 2017, 21:47
  #229 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: I wouldn't know.
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No slots for SXF, it is a new base in TXL. No UK License needed, german licenses are fine, ICAO level 4 is sufficient. As far as i know the retention pay of up to 40.000€ and loyalty pay based on pay grade (not seniority) with airberlin is meant as an incentive scheme to make sure enough airberlin pilots, especially those in the higher pay grades, apply. It is a CLA signed with the local union (verdi).
Denti is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2017, 17:12
  #230 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 645
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There is some last hour battle going on about who will get NIKI. The EU is said to have opposed LH taking it all and demanded that LH should give away slots. Now BA is said to be interested in NIKI. Decision by midnight tonight it seems.
Kerosene Kraut is offline  
Old 30th Nov 2017, 18:45
  #231 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Fiji
Posts: 76
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
and Lufthansa was dumb enough to put LGW and Niki into one Request to Brüssels.
If Niki fails, they need to make a new request for LGW only.

getting hot down there in the alps now.
gnarlberg is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2017, 11:34
  #232 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 996
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Air Berlin liquidation

It may become expensive for the unmentionable financial Ex-Investor. A multi Billion Euro case...

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/a...d_7993120.html
Gutachten: Etihad haftet für Air Berlin - Austrian Aviation Net
gearlever is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2017, 14:45
  #233 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 996
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Interesting international media didn't pick this up yet. It may affect the creditor real bad.... up to confiscation of xxx airline's planes.
gearlever is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:06
  #234 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Confoederatio Helvetica
Age: 68
Posts: 2,847
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is it possible to giver a summary of that report? Just the main points.
ExXB is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:12
  #235 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 996
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Basically it's about a legal expert assesment about the creditor's (Airline xxx) financial liability involved with the AB bancruptcy until end of 2018!
gearlever is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2017, 20:38
  #236 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: On a cloud
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They are investigating if the unmentionable is liable because of an email they sent promising financial support until at least the end of 2018. 4 months later they pulled out and AB went banktupt. The liquidator is now looking into presenting the unmentionable with the bill basically.
Sanderr is offline  
Old 18th Dec 2017, 07:58
  #237 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Where it is comfortable...
Age: 60
Posts: 909
Received 13 Likes on 2 Posts
Remind me, why exactly are we not allowed to speak out Voldemort's name when it it is explicitly mentioned in the linked aticle ?
andrasz is offline  
Old 18th Dec 2017, 09:42
  #238 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Isla Grande
Posts: 996
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It MAY have to do with search engines...

Last edited by gearlever; 18th Dec 2017 at 11:25.
gearlever is offline  
Old 18th Dec 2017, 16:40
  #239 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53° 32′ 9.19″ N, 9° 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
But we are allowed to speak about "Hogans heroes", the Email was send by Hogan himself
ExDubai is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.