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SAS to open new AOC in... Ireland

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Old 22nd Jun 2017, 23:07
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How exactly did you come up with 7000 EUR gross? Not from the figures quoted above obviously.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 09:17
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Basic salary 3960
Flight allowance if worked 15 days 1000
Overtime 90 for every bh over 60 hrs
Overnight allowance 60
Standby daily rate 65

On 80 hours I calculate ~ 7000

Thats how. And thats the contract
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 10:13
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I see. Then the above information is incorrect.

Not that I expect them to fly 960 hpurs per year, but still.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 13:09
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I think it is risky to assume that you will be flying 80 hours a month, even considering 1 month off for vacation. As stated somewhere above, if they introduce a Ryanair style roster of 5/4 there is a chance that not every month you work 15 days so no 1000 on that month.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 21:33
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There will be 5/4 for all. 5500 a month as a CAPTAIN, and some here think that's a good salary? No wonder this profession is in its present state!
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 23:36
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Where did all this begin you ask? Reagan & Thatcher. The seeds of the 80's " free market revolution" are now bearing their fruit...
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 07:52
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Agree with Semmern and Dirk . Crap money . Go to EZ . Or if based in Spain Eurowings ...but to offer a Captain what they are offering is an insult.. However I blame the Agency they have obviously lowballed for the business.. with commissions paid to agencies not sure why these Airlines use them and just pay a decent salary instead. Although in all fairness they are not all bad. PARC used to be ok in the old days but no longer.. in fact I wouldnt work for them.
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Old 25th Jun 2017, 18:44
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However I blame the Agency they have obviously lowballed for the business.. with commissions paid to agencies not sure why these Airlines use them and just pay a decent salary instead.
Same reason as Norwegian uses agency workers for permanent positions?? No union to fight, no employer responsibilities, if they become too expensive - give them back to the agency etc. etc. etc.

The money you make isn't necessarily worse than mainline SAS. But you do miss out on many of the benefits, such as the social benefits of living in a country with high employer social security charges. You have no health insurance (other than at work), no pension contributions, no loss of license insurance, no idea about ID travel but I'd say unlikely? Sick pay I am not sure about either. Covered by the law of England perhaps? or Ireland? or wherever country you're hired in.
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Old 26th Jun 2017, 07:15
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If you live in UK then UK contract with social security there. If you live anywhere else you'll get Irish contract with social security through Ireland. In other words, this should give you the right to state pensions in these two countries. Not a lot but it's at least something.

Possible additional tax and social security payments having to be made in your home country depending on where you live? As many already pointed out, pay is very low and I can't see many people jumping on this train.
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Old 26th Jun 2017, 10:59
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pay is very low and I can't see many people jumping on this train.
I'm hopping they will struggle to find captains willing to work for the pittance they're offering, especially since the grass is extremely much greener at EZ, BA or even LH these days, but there will probably be a rush of New FOs with fresh ratings wanting to join "SAS."
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Old 6th Jul 2017, 15:33
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At the selection they say to everyone that they will be based in MALAGA. Reality is that Malaga is not going to be open until April next year. By that time, only 20/30 pilots will have a slot there, everybody else, regardless of what they say, will be stuck in UK
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 11:42
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To be honest for me it looks again like the same mess when norwegian opened first base in Spain - Malaga couple of years ago...

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Old 11th Jul 2017, 21:29
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Anyone that has heard anything after the interview sessions? Offered any starting dates?
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 10:34
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Beware, this new company will be used as a tool to break the unions in mainline SAS. You will not just fly to and from your base, but you will also operate mainline routes. More so as this company gets bigger.
Do you want to be a part of this?
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 11:09
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This is exactly the same what norwegian was doing at the beginning when opened a base in Malaga
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Old 24th Jul 2017, 15:43
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Before we all get to exited how well do you think an Irish AOC will operate in the U.K. post brexit? I would think twice before signing up on a LHR base. I can assure you that no thought has been given in that direction. SAS has NEVER had a successful company outside core SAS - not meaning that core is much better....

EU bases (there will be more than Malaga) will operate without those issues off course and I'm sure applicants will be plentiful - they can always hire those Easy didn't want.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 22:40
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Does anyone know of anobody who have applied with an honest intention of joining and be based LHR?
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 10:08
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Union

I read somewhere that SAS union was on the way to UK to talk with BALPA with regards to new ops.
Could get interesting.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 11:26
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Airline is set to start in november.
Crews are getting selected.
As for brexit i would not worry too much, brexit will take longer than 2 years, if it will ever happen, and pilots will not be affected.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 11:52
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Latest rumours say 6-month delay due to recruitment issues. Let's hope they are true.
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