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C172,
Thanks for caring so much for the rest of us than your ex-Monarch buddies. I don't get you... on one hand you don't like the way T&C are going, on the other you speak highly of this union busting set up, inviting expats to come home, low timers to gain experience. Then you go on to think that T&C is going to improve. Not really the hiring ground that sets the bar very high. SAIL was set up to reduce cost, not the other way around. It's called "In Shape". I am not sure SAIL pilots have been introduced to that term.
So please tell me more about this permanent contract that you'll get...... I am genuinly interested to know. Everyone would benefit if you got union representation to negotiate for you. Somehow I just don't think that is what SAS wants.
Thanks for caring so much for the rest of us than your ex-Monarch buddies. I don't get you... on one hand you don't like the way T&C are going, on the other you speak highly of this union busting set up, inviting expats to come home, low timers to gain experience. Then you go on to think that T&C is going to improve. Not really the hiring ground that sets the bar very high. SAIL was set up to reduce cost, not the other way around. It's called "In Shape". I am not sure SAIL pilots have been introduced to that term.
So please tell me more about this permanent contract that you'll get...... I am genuinly interested to know. Everyone would benefit if you got union representation to negotiate for you. Somehow I just don't think that is what SAS wants.
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Currently the contract is with CAE Parc leading to a permanent contract later this year or so I am told. Lets be grateful that many were to find work quickly as Job seekers allowance will only go so far.
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Union Busting!
How many pilots has SAS hired lately.?
How many SAS FOs has quit and gone to for example NOR or back to RYR?
SAIL was set up for Union busting to save a cent!
How many SAS FOs has quit and gone to for example NOR or back to RYR?
SAIL was set up for Union busting to save a cent!
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The abhorrent race to the bottom - can it be stopped?
The head monkey at SAS was left with little competitive choice but to follow Boring Juice Airways and open new base(s) renting pilots from agency service providers.
The pilots union and its members may have been promised that “agency pilots will be offered permanent contracts when the base is profitable." Permanent contracts with the airline or another agency possibly disguised as a resource group to prevent an employment relationship with the airline(?).
Ex-Monarch pilots and others with union aspirations should carefully read their agency contracts for clauses that may be used to permit quick termination of their organizational skills without notice reason or recourse.
Don’t be fooled by any disingenuous “welcome to unions” that will have no representation with the airline. Boring Juice Airways pilots pay union dues for representation to their agency employer not the airline.
History shows that efforts to effect change by an airline’s core group of pilots should be carefully considered. Negotiations deteriorating to a strike could cause an airline to be reorganized into separate divisions where ALL pilots are rented from service providers – Link:
https://e24.no/jobb/norwegian-air-sh...nting/23409020
Monkey see, monkey do.
The head monkey at SAS was left with little competitive choice but to follow Boring Juice Airways and open new base(s) renting pilots from agency service providers.
The pilots union and its members may have been promised that “agency pilots will be offered permanent contracts when the base is profitable." Permanent contracts with the airline or another agency possibly disguised as a resource group to prevent an employment relationship with the airline(?).
Ex-Monarch pilots and others with union aspirations should carefully read their agency contracts for clauses that may be used to permit quick termination of their organizational skills without notice reason or recourse.
Don’t be fooled by any disingenuous “welcome to unions” that will have no representation with the airline. Boring Juice Airways pilots pay union dues for representation to their agency employer not the airline.
History shows that efforts to effect change by an airline’s core group of pilots should be carefully considered. Negotiations deteriorating to a strike could cause an airline to be reorganized into separate divisions where ALL pilots are rented from service providers – Link:
https://e24.no/jobb/norwegian-air-sh...nting/23409020
Monkey see, monkey do.
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Recruitment for the Spanish base, most likely Malaga, is now in progress.
You have to be available to start within a few weeks.
Lower pay than Norwegian, worse schedule than the LHR base.
You have to be available to start within a few weeks.
Lower pay than Norwegian, worse schedule than the LHR base.
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DEC in any European legacy company is not possible, since their t&cs are good enough to have a stable workforce, hence high seniority pilots. You will ONLY see DEC is companys with a high turnover of employees, or when they start from scratch like eg. SAIL.
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I think that would be one step too far, for the four SAS pilot unions in Scandiland, although I must admit that I am a bit surprised about the passiveness over the last year. DPF (the danish one) held the Collective Agreement for Cimber, still the union did nothing when it was sold to Cityjet, with the t&cs now for the worse. Let alone that the Cimber employees had their employer changed from SAS Group to an Irish working model with all that includes....
Even with the now ongoing SAIL program the pilot unions do nothing, just sitting on their hands, waiting for the major part of the pilots to retire within the next 8-10 years.
Even with the now ongoing SAIL program the pilot unions do nothing, just sitting on their hands, waiting for the major part of the pilots to retire within the next 8-10 years.
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If you’re going to an assessment you should’ve gotten that info already. Otherwise send CAE an email and request it.
What I’ve heard the roster at Malaga will be 6/3, compared to the LRH base 5/4.
It would be interesting to hear where you’re working now. And also it would be super interesting to hear from anyone who’s currently there.
As an insider in scandiland we have no info about what’s going on over there what so ever.
What I’ve heard the roster at Malaga will be 6/3, compared to the LRH base 5/4.
It would be interesting to hear where you’re working now. And also it would be super interesting to hear from anyone who’s currently there.
As an insider in scandiland we have no info about what’s going on over there what so ever.
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If the SAIL goes well, then it is only the first step to move more jobs in the air, out of Scandinavia:
borsen.dk/nyheder/virksomheder/artikel/1/359058/sas_afviser_ikke_flere_fly_uden_for_skandinavien_vi_skal_til passe_os_lavprisselskaberne.html?utm_source=forside&utm_camp aign=nyhed_10
I have no idea, when the unions will say stop, if they will at all?
borsen.dk/nyheder/virksomheder/artikel/1/359058/sas_afviser_ikke_flere_fly_uden_for_skandinavien_vi_skal_til passe_os_lavprisselskaberne.html?utm_source=forside&utm_camp aign=nyhed_10
I have no idea, when the unions will say stop, if they will at all?