SAS Ireland SAIL

[Norway West]

Unpaid leave...

One month of unpaid leave?

[matt283]

effective form 18th of March for 1 month until further notice...

[dirk85]

1 month or UFN? It's a different thing

[matt283]

“We believe that the current situation is temporary initially 1 month and this will be reviewed on a regular basis.”

The way how I understand above means UFN.

[A319]

AGP closed. 2 a/c will shortly be re-registered and moved permanently to SAS mainline.

[spanishCDT]

And what about crews based there?

[Crosswind Limits]

I suspect A319 is one of our Scandinavian union friends. They are here to spread doom about SAIL and advance their agenda whilst maintaining the cloak of anonymity. If they had to sign off on every comment we wouldn’t hear a peep from them!

I don’t know what the future holds for the industry, SAS Mainline, SAIL or the Malaga base. Time will reveal all!

Sadly asking the question you ask is akin to pleading for your family as you are about to be mugged at knifepoint. In other words unlikely to get the answer you desire!

[Gandor]

And I would suspect that you are one of the "soldiers of fortune" who so kindly contract your work to the highest bidder, that this industry has far too many of... and you still hide behind the anonymous callsign this forum provides...

The fact that the real Scandinavians provided enough capital by the savings that lead management go ahead with their plans, and can offer schemes with rosters and the likes that not even their own workers can dream about, would have even the lesser gifted of you raise your eyebrows and question the operation.

Please do yourself a favour and do a little research about where the planes are actually based, and how much work they have done in the past 6 months, and you would find that somebody is keeping a hand over operation, because utilisation of the planes and crew is among one of the worst in the industry.

So who is it that is mugged at knifepoint? The traveller who is just passing by or the family who provided the this offspring in the first place...

And yes - I am one of Scandinavian Vikings that still will be here when this is all over...

[too_low_terrain]

A question to SAIL-pilots;

Are you getting any form of economic compensation, since you are on forced leave? If yes, from whom?

[matt283]

In AGP Sail applied for unemployment benefits in Spain...

[Easyheat]

It is really strange that SAS emphasise in this video that nothing is Scandinavian:

You Tube

But now they have financial problems, then it is the Scandinavian taxpayers money, they are asking for.

Why not ask EU or the World Bank for money? Or anybody not in Scandiland?

[matt283]

In Malaga SAIL crew are on ERTE Reduction of working hours 100%.

Government aid:
- 1098.09eur gross without kids
- 1254.86eur gross with one kid
- 1411.83eur gross 2+ kids

It means if you single without kids you will get 900eur net. Rent for a decent flat in Malaga is around 1000eur + utilities.

I guess those figures in Scandinavia are a bit different...

[172_driver]

I guess those figures in Scandinavia are a bit different...

Yes, due to state aid. But varies from country to country.

[Horntail]

@truckflyer,

Quote:

“Seriously where do you get such tripe, "highest bidder" - When you had your recruiters in Denmark Klaus, clearly knowing there was priority in hiring sons and daughters of the SAS pilots ahead of others who were better qualified.”

Care to elaborate? You are suggesting that recruitement in a nearly 75-year-old company with around 1,600 pilots is based on nepotism? That’s quite a statement without providing any form of evidence.
Have you ever attended a recruitement session?

[Horntail]

I can tell that you never made it to the actual assessment stage - and I believe I can answer you to as why... You do know that attitude is more important than skills when main airlines and larger cooperations are looking for a candidate? And that humbleness is a great part of that?

By reading your latest post I can tell you did not quite know that then, because what you refer to has nothing to do with nepotism - it has something to do with your attitude.
And have you ever given it any thoughts that a company has sovereign powers when it comes to deciding how and who to recruit? Thus, if the company decides to balance the demographics of a group of new hires by adding candidates from one of the most renowned flight schools you can do nothing about it? And by complaining you just disqualified yourself from future recruitement opportunities?

I sure hope you are well in your current position and that you don’t dwell too much of your lost chances with SAS.

And before I forget... I take it you changed the name of the recruitement officer - as publicly throwing somebody under the bus is not polite. And not quite according to GDPR.

[matt283]

Going back to SAIL. It was established in late 2017 as a subsidiary of SAS with the intention to operate 9 Irish registered aircrafts with crew employed by aviation recruitment firm - CAE based outside Scandinavia to benefit from the lower labour costs that are available almost anywhere in Europe outside Scandinavia.

Now after almost 3 years maybe it is time to discuss if they really achieved their target?

Or maybe their actual target was to get the leverage with the union to negotiate new pay deal?

What do you think future will bring to SAIL operation? At the end of the day this is a rumor network

[Horntail]

Always a joy to have PPRUNE substitute ones Netflix addition.

truckflyer, I sincerely hope that you have settled and found a place that suits you.
You seem to have something unresolved in your life. And frankly you sound like one of the many Norwegians who went across the pond to NAIA or PEA. Many returned believing they were aviation kings but soon found out that their personal profiles weren’t suitable for airlines.

Good luck whereever your journey may take you.

Now back to ‘Tiger king’.

[172_driver]

Back to SAIL.

Are simulator sessions running to keep crew current, ready to start-up when the time comes?

[ShamrockF]

Originally Posted by matt283

Now after almost 3 years maybe it is time to discuss if they really achieved their target?

Or maybe their actual target was to get the leverage with the union to negotiate new pay deal?

What do you think future will bring to SAIL operation? At the end of the day this is a rumor network

I think they play an important role in the overall SAS group. They allow SAS compete on some routes which they could never do using mainline salary costs.

With Michael O'Leary announcing yesterday he expects a significant price war amongst airlines, I think SAIL's role can only increase in keeping SAS competitive and to survive in the medium term.

Just my two cents.

[fightthepower]

That is quite a bold statement, especially considering how factually incorrect it is.

New hired SAS mainline pilots and upgrades on forced part time in winter, only variable roster and starting salary below 3500€ gross for new hires and 5500€ gross for new upgrades. Payscale is 24 steps before topping out below SAIL LHR captains pay. Payscale for FOs capped at 5500€ after 14 years. This was all before COVID-19.

Can you please elaborate on how this ”mainline salary cost” hurts our comptetetiveness?