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Old 16th Feb 2020, 09:05
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The USO union has filed a collective dispute against the Scandinavian airline SAS and CAE Crewing Services Limted over "illegal transfer" of sixty cabin crew of one hundred workers serving the airline at Malaga airport.

The union claims that the personnel are subject to illegal transfer by CAE to SAS and the airline is required to register all its personnel at the base of Malaga in the Social Security, as well as its integration on equal terms with other employees.
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 18:43
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So the union are disgruntled CAE are hiring staff which they in turn provide to SAS Ireland? Even though everyone joining knew from the start they would be CAE employees, but working for SAS Ireland? Even though the individuals signed up for this arrangement?

Sounds like the unions are sticking their noses in. How does this sort of arrangement work when a contract cleaning company provides workers to clean offices or hotels? Why aren't they being denounced as 'illegal transfers' too?
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 18:54
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Oh... you are also using that Swedish cleaning company with the Irish contractor that hire Spanish workers for cleaning your Spanish house?
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Old 16th Feb 2020, 22:17
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and pay your workers income tax in Ireland and social security in Spain...
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 19:07
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But they are working on an airplane so what is the issue...? (Some irony intended)
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 20:47
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SAS future.

I still enjoy flying SAS every so often, when the time and price is right, but after the latest add they had up north here degrading all Scandinavian , some of us are a bit fed up with Managements attitude. Still a great company, but some of the upper management need to go. It has great potential with an all Airbus fleet soon, but treating pilots as cleaning crew in a hotel is not the way forward. ( Nice one Shamrock!)
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 22:13
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https://e24.no/boers-og-finans/i/rA1...byraa-i-spania

Ryr must pay a total of 36,000 euros to the Social Security after Labor Inspection discovered an illegal assignment of 18 workers at its base in Girona.

Lets see what Labor Inspection will say about SAIL CAE contract in Malaga...
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Old 10th Mar 2020, 21:39
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SAS are now moving 2 aircraft from SAIL into SAS Main as a start of the end. Apparently it’s the two airplanes based in AGP as they are to get rid of the base because of the lawsuit in Spain. Any further news on the reductions in SAIL? SAS Main are all to take a 20% reduction in work and of course pay in order to save the company, but the deal are rumoured not to go through unless SAIL is scrapped.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 10:33
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Hmm Source?
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 10:53
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Apart of EI-SIH and EI-SII the remaining 7 a/c in their fleet are leased according to planespotters...
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 18:26
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Nope ain't happening. Before the virus hit the 2 AGP jets had been allocated a full summer roster from other places. Leaving 1 jet in AGP. No idea if that's due to a law suit.

Mates at SAIL tell me they've been asked to take either 3 months unpaid leave or 3 months part time
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 19:21
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SAIL AGP

So: do you really think AGP (2 jets) will fly a full production from a scandinavian base, WHILE SAS main hires are being laid off? That is just NOT going to happend!
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 19:50
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Nope that's not what I think. I said "Before the virus hit"

Now if SAIL crews are being asked to accept 3 months unpaid/3 months part time, that implies some of their jets will also be grounded.
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Old 11th Mar 2020, 20:11
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Corona

I certainly hope so. Other than that I find your wording «...being asked...» somewhat humorous.
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Hmm Source?
A friend of mine in SAIL just got this email from HQ:


Hi all,
Sadly the company had decided to postpone any decision, including any agreement with the Union, until next monday due “to the constantly changing situation”.
We will keep in touch with the company during the weekend to follow up on any news coming out of their meetings in Ireland and Sweden on Saturday and Sunday.

So far we can confirm that soon 4 airplanes will be grounded, and the company will grant in the next days the Unpaid Leaves already requested by some crew members.
As we said from the beginning, these individual requests are not helping the negotiations. Anyway, in AGP they will need a lot more pilots and cabin crew in Unpaid Leave and Part Time than the already granted requests.

We are working with 2 possible scenarios right now:
An escalated situation, with progressive unpaid leaves and part times, that most probably will require forced part times for some of the base pilots, as volunteers will not fully cover for the company needs,and;
A complete stop that will require extreme salary cuts with maximum availability or even a temporary dismissal procedure (ERTE) that we are trying to avoid at all cost.

As you can see, the situation is getting worse, and the truth is SAS is not dealing with it as expected from such a reputated airline.

You shall expect last minute changes in your rosters and even cancellations during the next weeks. Please help as much as possible and cooperate with rostering and the company as much as you can, always respecting your legal limitations.

These are tough times, but they will eventually pass. Thanks for your support and trust, and don’t hesitate to contact any of us if you have any doubts.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 08:08
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Is your friend in their AGP base by any chance? This email certainly sounds like it was written by a non native English speaker
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This looks like an email from one of the Spanish unions and nothing to do with LHR. I have not seen this email myself.
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Old 15th Mar 2020, 16:59
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Press conference by SAS CEO just now: 90% of staff in Scandinavia to go on unpaid leave while the crisis lasts. Anyone know if SAIL will keep flying? If so, that is disgusting.
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Also month of unpaid...
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 08:24
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Temporary cease ops

Appearantly SAIL will cease operations from the end of this week (until further).
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