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Possibly true but also posts often by a handful of jaded individuals or those with a personal agenda have it easy these days on social media. They hide behind anonymity and make all sorts of allegations and statements without taking personal responsibility for their veracity. By that I mean have the balls to put your real name at the end of the post and stand by your comments and don’t be like all the other keyboard warriors!
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Navetta is absolutely right with racism. I was in their screenig, first fact: TM smiled when he mentioned how many pilots were failed after OCC course, he stated that they did good in failing many guys. second fact: Monarch Pilots club. I absolutely hate this kind of attitude and told them during my interview, that its a monarch club and not fitting to me. Got no invitation to sim, but passed two other screenings with decent operators. Brexit, thats the way. Sorry for all the nice and good U.K. guys, that for sure also exist, but this cpy, no thanks!
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FACT. Monarch guys are now in the minority. Yes at the beginning, many were hired after the airline went bust. SAIL just didn’t have enough pilots due to the poor conditions. But many of these Monarch guys have moved on.
FACT. English guys are in the minority. Most are European. (Maybe for this winter, this will be reveresed as Air Tanker pilots have been seconded to SAIL, not enough work at Air Tanker this winter)
FACT. Those who have failed OCC did so because of their performance, not because of where they’re from.
The racism card is being played by a disgruntled employee who failed a command course (so I’ve heard 2nd hand)
Head of Training are Monarch guys, and they just want to maintain a high standard. How dare they.....
Good luck to all that apply.
FACT. English guys are in the minority. Most are European. (Maybe for this winter, this will be reveresed as Air Tanker pilots have been seconded to SAIL, not enough work at Air Tanker this winter)
FACT. Those who have failed OCC did so because of their performance, not because of where they’re from.
The racism card is being played by a disgruntled employee who failed a command course (so I’ve heard 2nd hand)
Head of Training are Monarch guys, and they just want to maintain a high standard. How dare they.....
Good luck to all that apply.
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I keep my ear close to the ground as I am hoping to return to UK in 2yrs time.
Its the disorganisation on CAEs part that has caused a lot of the problems. The pay was late a couple of months ago, and CAE state it won't happen again. CAE included compensation of £125 to each crew member.
Its not all bad news. I hear that SAIL received the highest rating possible by SAS auditors. May they continue to operate to the highest standards.
Its the disorganisation on CAEs part that has caused a lot of the problems. The pay was late a couple of months ago, and CAE state it won't happen again. CAE included compensation of £125 to each crew member.
Its not all bad news. I hear that SAIL received the highest rating possible by SAS auditors. May they continue to operate to the highest standards.
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FACT. Monarch guys are now in the minority. Yes at the beginning, many were hired after the airline went bust. SAIL just didn’t have enough pilots due to the poor conditions. But many of these Monarch guys have moved on.
FACT. English guys are in the minority. Most are European. (Maybe for this winter, this will be reveresed as Air Tanker pilots have been seconded to SAIL, not enough work at Air Tanker this winter)
FACT. Those who have failed OCC did so because of their performance, not because of where they’re from.
The racism card is being played by a disgruntled employee who failed a command course (so I’ve heard 2nd hand)
Head of Training are Monarch guys, and they just want to maintain a high standard. How dare they.....
Good luck to all that apply.
FACT. English guys are in the minority. Most are European. (Maybe for this winter, this will be reveresed as Air Tanker pilots have been seconded to SAIL, not enough work at Air Tanker this winter)
FACT. Those who have failed OCC did so because of their performance, not because of where they’re from.
The racism card is being played by a disgruntled employee who failed a command course (so I’ve heard 2nd hand)
Head of Training are Monarch guys, and they just want to maintain a high standard. How dare they.....
Good luck to all that apply.
The managers give CAE a really good economical income to follow train a lot pilots.
How I know appears that only all ex Monarch guys have standards and never have any problem how this is possible? How many Monarch pilots fail the recruitment?
If you don’t like someone you can build and show everything (low standards, bad attitude...) the picture that this company give isn’t high standards, but bad “punish policy”.
As I know all examines and instructors are ex Monarch except one or two...
I am SFI/SFE -TRI/TRE and it is easy let people fail if you want. Talk of standard it is nice, but did you really follow the “real” standards???? Or something that is customised for a company or from someone?
The problems are not connected only with the Monarch guys (they try to build a small copy of the previous company) or with (high standards), but is a bad organisation and bad work environment for sure.
ATIS talk about something connected with racism and prove that this in some way happen and anyway be offensive for someone...
Anyway as how I know from other ex SASI pilots, most resigns don’t be fired by the company...
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I must say that when I was there I heard about these racism allegations. It was coming from some isolated individuals, the same idiots you will find in every airline. I did my sim training with the former Monarch head of training (who left SASI now) and a Monarch TRE and they both were true gentlemen.
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ATIS you’re facts are interesting, but the fact of really high percentuale of pilots and CC resign from SASI it’s not connected with the standards, but with other factors.
In Lufthansa, in BA or in EasyJet they have also high standards, but the % of people that resign is really low.
The environment of work like the quality of life are fondamental, if you don’t give that, yout must try to give something different, like Chinese companies, big salaries.
Is a fact that SASI doesn’t give any of those it is obvious that people join the company and after short time resign.
In Lufthansa, in BA or in EasyJet they have also high standards, but the % of people that resign is really low.
The environment of work like the quality of life are fondamental, if you don’t give that, yout must try to give something different, like Chinese companies, big salaries.
Is a fact that SASI doesn’t give any of those it is obvious that people join the company and after short time resign.
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ATIS you’re fact are interesting, but the fact of really high percentuale of pilots and CC resign from SASI it’s not connected with the standards, but with other factors.
In Lufthansa, in BA in EasyJet they have also high standards, but the % of people that resign are low.
The environment of work like the quality of life are fondamental, if you don’t give that, yout must try to give something different, like Chinese companies, big salaries.
Is a fact that SASI doesn’t give any of those it is obvious that people join the company and after short time resign.
In Lufthansa, in BA in EasyJet they have also high standards, but the % of people that resign are low.
The environment of work like the quality of life are fondamental, if you don’t give that, yout must try to give something different, like Chinese companies, big salaries.
Is a fact that SASI doesn’t give any of those it is obvious that people join the company and after short time resign.
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Interesting you too don't put your name, anyway I know different pilots in SASI and all are unhappy and very upset by the conditions of rostering, salary and management..... in the last 2 weeks 3 captains and about 5 FO left the company... in a small company where really a lot people follow to resign is something wrong for sure!!!! Some rumours talk also about racism (send in email to the employees) and bad attitude reserved to foreign people from some "superior" pilots...
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I was interested to join this company, but as I have 2 friends that resign from SASI (obviously not happy for all reasons that I wrote) and others that still inside (also unhappy for the bad attitude of the CAE Managment and some colleagues), anyway Malaga base appear much better place where work (but is totally full) LHR is bad work environment for sure.
As I have good connections in SASI, for the reason that at the moment I work in Emirates I decided to stay away from this company, the guy that you talk about is a FO that left Qatar airways and I suppose he have quite good standards. That guy “fail” his interview for the command not for lack of skills, but because have different frictions with someone, as he have good standards still be there also if he is under pressure every day, he isn’t white and as you can understand don’t accept the “racist” humor.
It is strange that also an Italian captain that applied to be instructor after a couple of week resign (and the training manager use to say in the company that for his strong Italian accent can’t be part of the training team)... but this isn’t racism...
I you have good connections for sure you know that several people resigned and soon more will resign also.
CAE already planned multiple OCC, maybe is a good way for make money as someone wrote in other post...
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Its very unprofessional to misuse the power as an TRI/TRI / Managementpilot. I am myself TRI, exTRE and know very well, that the best pilot with the best standard can be failed, I not believe these "crap" of below SASI standart be ex Monarch club aviatiors, we are all human and able to perform in the right environment - thes guys are the last I can accept, very poor !! Its a shame !! Stay away from them!
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Good evening everyone, I resigned shot time ago from SAS Ireland because I recover a better job. 
What is written inside this post about environment, pilots that follow to resign, kingdom of some Monarch, racism and bad CAE management:
are real and really difficult to accept
My salary most of the time was wrong, always for a lot less money and the time that we received the extra money was because the salary arrived really late and also really wrong.
I flew with all possible pilots, all appear polite really gentlemen and nice, but it’s just a facade, are always ready to f*** you, the high “standards” is a big fake (usually they have a lot not written SOP that you have to follow). If you comment that on the FCOM is different the usually answer is (in Monarch was like that and we will change OM and FCOM soon because are made for Aer Lingus.
Must follow SOP of some guys and not OM and FCOM if this is definition of high standards??????
This company is an ACMI e you don’t have anything with SAS, the uniform is SAS but no friezes, only a fake wing CAE for the jacket impossible be in one company that the main SAS hate and passengers don’t recognise and also don’t like.
To be honest I always like to be in contact with all pilots from any nations, but for the first time I’m really happy to resign and I really feel good.
Crazy, bizarre environment, for me a small company must be a family no a place that you hate, 90% of the pilots are ready to resign 10% are the remaining Monarch pilots.....
What is written inside this post about environment, pilots that follow to resign, kingdom of some Monarch, racism and bad CAE management:
are real and really difficult to accept
My salary most of the time was wrong, always for a lot less money and the time that we received the extra money was because the salary arrived really late and also really wrong.
I flew with all possible pilots, all appear polite really gentlemen and nice, but it’s just a facade, are always ready to f*** you, the high “standards” is a big fake (usually they have a lot not written SOP that you have to follow). If you comment that on the FCOM is different the usually answer is (in Monarch was like that and we will change OM and FCOM soon because are made for Aer Lingus.
Must follow SOP of some guys and not OM and FCOM if this is definition of high standards??????
This company is an ACMI e you don’t have anything with SAS, the uniform is SAS but no friezes, only a fake wing CAE for the jacket impossible be in one company that the main SAS hate and passengers don’t recognise and also don’t like.
To be honest I always like to be in contact with all pilots from any nations, but for the first time I’m really happy to resign and I really feel good.
Crazy, bizarre environment, for me a small company must be a family no a place that you hate, 90% of the pilots are ready to resign 10% are the remaining Monarch pilots.....
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Ha ha, creating a new profile to throw us off the scent.
Are you one of the recently booted out Captains with laughable standards? I hope not, because the stories I’ve heard have been eye watering. Those Captains should be ashamed of themselves. They do not deserve 4 stripes. Good luck in your new job.
Are you one of the recently booted out Captains with laughable standards? I hope not, because the stories I’ve heard have been eye watering. Those Captains should be ashamed of themselves. They do not deserve 4 stripes. Good luck in your new job.