Ryanair Details please
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Good morning gents. I recently did the RYR DEC interview. Nice people at the interview. What I didn't get very clear was the pay(especially take home pay) when on a Ryanair contract(i have family and kids and want to fly out of my homebase only). I understood they offer irish contracts(fixed) and then you pay your social contributions in the country of your home base(e.g. Italy).
What can I expect to take home(not considering sozial contributions, that I can figure out easily)?
What is the basic salary and what can I expect to get on flight pay per hour?
Do I have to pay tax as well on the flight pay?
I think you got my draft, I would like to have an idea of my take home gross before they even send me a contract. Any help and info appreaciated. I even prefer if you PM this details to me to keep it confident if required. I really just need it for my decision making. Please do not start a RYR bashing thread here. Open a new thread for that if you wish.
Thank you!
Last but not least - I remermber they wrote about holidays? How many/year? How are they going to be consumed? Is it by taking 5 days of holidays you actually get your 4 days off, then 5 days holidays and then another 4 off before you start your next duty? So 13 in a row doable with just 5 holiday days? Or does it work different? Is there a realistic chance to have/get this holidays?
What can I expect to take home(not considering sozial contributions, that I can figure out easily)?
What is the basic salary and what can I expect to get on flight pay per hour?
Do I have to pay tax as well on the flight pay?
I think you got my draft, I would like to have an idea of my take home gross before they even send me a contract. Any help and info appreaciated. I even prefer if you PM this details to me to keep it confident if required. I really just need it for my decision making. Please do not start a RYR bashing thread here. Open a new thread for that if you wish.
Thank you!
Last but not least - I remermber they wrote about holidays? How many/year? How are they going to be consumed? Is it by taking 5 days of holidays you actually get your 4 days off, then 5 days holidays and then another 4 off before you start your next duty? So 13 in a row doable with just 5 holiday days? Or does it work different? Is there a realistic chance to have/get this holidays?
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It's not really possible to estimate net pay on the information you have given. As far as only wanting to fly from your home base that would only be likely if your base was not too seasonal. You need to check how many aircraft at your chosen base are parked for the winter.
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I try to get Rome, so seasonal should be not an issue I guess. For details how many ac are parked over the winter I probably need inside intel, I do not have that. That's why I ask here instead.
What is the basic pay gross? They did not specify that on the interview and said I will see it in the contract.
But I want to make up my mind if RYR is an option compared to my present employer - just to compare numbers at the moment.
I assume basic remains the same at all bases if employed directly with RYR plus then the hour pay(block).
Some actual figures would help, just found old values in the net.
Thanks.
What is the basic pay gross? They did not specify that on the interview and said I will see it in the contract.
But I want to make up my mind if RYR is an option compared to my present employer - just to compare numbers at the moment.
I assume basic remains the same at all bases if employed directly with RYR plus then the hour pay(block).
Some actual figures would help, just found old values in the net.
Thanks.
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I'm afraid the gross pay at all bases is different, and even within some bases depending on how old your contract is. Ryanair has around 80 bases now, each with its own contract.
I can give you estimates, but they are just that and maybe plus / minus a few hundred Euros per month. In Ciampino or Fiumicino on a Ryanair contract you should expect to take home around €6000 net per month average across 12 months. This includes net basic pay and net sector pay. Both sector pay and basic pay are taxed, but they are taxed differently depending on which country you are in and even which routes you fly. In Italy, Italian domestic sectors are taxed differently from international sectors. You will probably fly around 90-100 hours a month from April to October and around 50-75 hours a month for the rest of the year.
In terms of annual leave, you will have one complete calendar month off with zero flying and this is likely to be in the winter. Additionally, you have 10 extra days off. You are correct that you get 13 days off flying by taking a block of 5 days. In the past it's been difficult to get blocks of 5 days off in the summer but the last couple of summers it's been much easier.
I hope this helps. Sorry I can't give more specific info. You'd have to ask someone actually based in CIA or FCO on the same contract for that.
I can give you estimates, but they are just that and maybe plus / minus a few hundred Euros per month. In Ciampino or Fiumicino on a Ryanair contract you should expect to take home around €6000 net per month average across 12 months. This includes net basic pay and net sector pay. Both sector pay and basic pay are taxed, but they are taxed differently depending on which country you are in and even which routes you fly. In Italy, Italian domestic sectors are taxed differently from international sectors. You will probably fly around 90-100 hours a month from April to October and around 50-75 hours a month for the rest of the year.
In terms of annual leave, you will have one complete calendar month off with zero flying and this is likely to be in the winter. Additionally, you have 10 extra days off. You are correct that you get 13 days off flying by taking a block of 5 days. In the past it's been difficult to get blocks of 5 days off in the summer but the last couple of summers it's been much easier.
I hope this helps. Sorry I can't give more specific info. You'd have to ask someone actually based in CIA or FCO on the same contract for that.
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Thanks skyflyer737, that helps already a lot, at least I get an idea. So that is with paying tax in Ireland and then the social contribution in Italy?
As an yearly average that is not bad, comparing to my present employer and finally being at home every night sleeping in my own bed. Tired of being away all the time and being shifted through various hotels for a lot of nights in a row per month.
Maybe someone based in Italy can give me some final confirmation, but the deal sounds ok for me. Especially since you are not required to pay for your own rating anymore. Don't mind the bonding.
As an yearly average that is not bad, comparing to my present employer and finally being at home every night sleeping in my own bed. Tired of being away all the time and being shifted through various hotels for a lot of nights in a row per month.
Maybe someone based in Italy can give me some final confirmation, but the deal sounds ok for me. Especially since you are not required to pay for your own rating anymore. Don't mind the bonding.
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You are absolutely right Avenger. Due to personal reasons I am very curious which base they would offer, but there actually just a few that I can accept. Don't want to go into details, but that's how it is.
Again thanks to everyone who gave me some kind of idea about the figures, very appreciated!
Again thanks to everyone who gave me some kind of idea about the figures, very appreciated!
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I go with Sheldon from "Big Bang Theory" here - Sarkasm?
EDIT: Got the confirmation. Rome base as well. Any FCO or CIA Cpt around and willing to help me out with some info? PM of course. Thanks!
EDIT: Got the confirmation. Rome base as well. Any FCO or CIA Cpt around and willing to help me out with some info? PM of course. Thanks!
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Make sure you have a signed contract that is actually a Ryanair contract. If its not and you end up with a "contractor" contract via say Storm then it's a whole different kettle of fish. Contractors can be and are move all over the place.
To get a better understanding I suggest you contact the Ryanair Pilot Group. The RPG can enlighten you of many of the, shall we say nuances of Ryanair contracts and contractors / self employment/ limited companies etc...
As always check out the non cash elements that your current outfit offers and not just the headline cash figures. Medicals, food, parking, pension, sick pay, leave pay... etc.
Good luck
If you are in the left hand seat and on a Ryanair contract at a base close to your home Ryanair is a pretty reasonable job. They are starting to offer more options for part time work too (at least in the UK.)
If Rome is where you want to be, basing shouldn't be too difficult as CIA and FCO are both decent-sized bases with a high degree of permanence. Operating out of FCO is a massive pain in the backside though. If you are looking elsewhere, be aware Ryanair expands, contracts, opens and closes small bases on a whim and you might find yourself suddenly needing to move at very short notice as has recently happened in BLL, PSR, GRO, BRE and HHN.
If Rome is where you want to be, basing shouldn't be too difficult as CIA and FCO are both decent-sized bases with a high degree of permanence. Operating out of FCO is a massive pain in the backside though. If you are looking elsewhere, be aware Ryanair expands, contracts, opens and closes small bases on a whim and you might find yourself suddenly needing to move at very short notice as has recently happened in BLL, PSR, GRO, BRE and HHN.
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Thanks skyloone and Jwscud!
They asked me twice if I want a contract or direct employment(interview and call to confirm I made it).
I always wanted a direct contract with RYR, especially I do not want to change bases and stick in hotels anymore(it seems on a agency contract this it what normally happens to you).
So I go def for RYR contract.
Bases: That was my thought when asking for CIA, I know the airport, operated into it(and did layovers there). My idea was that they would not shut down such a big base(especially the low cost one) like rome. I know FCO from some previous airline jobs, was even based there for a while, horrible airport. To fly in, to make your way on the ground, to reach your aircraft. Would never go for FCO.
I am based already in Italy with my current employer, so I will just move my entire family to the south of Rome which is anyway a lovely area. And I hope I can stay there for a long time. If that is the case I will be happy.
My current employer is not that overly nice to us either. Ok, they pay hotels and proceeding flights, but that's because they need us there. More then happy if I have not to proceed anymore(except for sim or training) and NOT spend any second anymore in a hotel except for leisure.
Well, medical is not paid. But isn't there this 6000€ that they say it is here to cover medical, license, parking, etc.? Just to be sure they did not tell me something that is not true.
What about sick days/leave? Not paid at all or some limited days/year paid?
The conversion to an irish license must come out of my pocket(400€?). Sim is paid(LPC/OPC)?
Some other advice?
All inputs are really more then welcome.
Thanks!
They asked me twice if I want a contract or direct employment(interview and call to confirm I made it).
I always wanted a direct contract with RYR, especially I do not want to change bases and stick in hotels anymore(it seems on a agency contract this it what normally happens to you).
So I go def for RYR contract.
Bases: That was my thought when asking for CIA, I know the airport, operated into it(and did layovers there). My idea was that they would not shut down such a big base(especially the low cost one) like rome. I know FCO from some previous airline jobs, was even based there for a while, horrible airport. To fly in, to make your way on the ground, to reach your aircraft. Would never go for FCO.
I am based already in Italy with my current employer, so I will just move my entire family to the south of Rome which is anyway a lovely area. And I hope I can stay there for a long time. If that is the case I will be happy.
My current employer is not that overly nice to us either. Ok, they pay hotels and proceeding flights, but that's because they need us there. More then happy if I have not to proceed anymore(except for sim or training) and NOT spend any second anymore in a hotel except for leisure.
Well, medical is not paid. But isn't there this 6000€ that they say it is here to cover medical, license, parking, etc.? Just to be sure they did not tell me something that is not true.
What about sick days/leave? Not paid at all or some limited days/year paid?
The conversion to an irish license must come out of my pocket(400€?). Sim is paid(LPC/OPC)?
Some other advice?
All inputs are really more then welcome.
Thanks!
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If you are on a RYR contract you get those 6000€ allowance to cover medical, parking, uniform, phone calls and hotel when you go to STN or EMA for your recurrent. They might send you out of base even if you are employed but it happens very rarely (once every two years maybe) and if they do they'll pay for your accomodation anyway. You get sick pay only after your first year of probation while you get holiday pay since the very beginning. The numbers depend purely on the base agreement of your allocated base.
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With that amount of hours you only need to do two RSTs, one winter and cover 500hrs minimum..so within a year I would say?
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With that amount of hours you only need to do two RSTs, one winter and cover 500hrs minimum..so within a year I would say?
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Disregard tonik's posts, he's doing nothing but throwing **** on RYR on the italian forum.
You did well to seek for info here and not there even if apparently you're not safe even here from this kind of character...
You did well to seek for info here and not there even if apparently you're not safe even here from this kind of character...
