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Shockingly low pay though unfortunately. I'm looking for a 'nice' company to build additional hours as I only get 200 hours a year on my BizJet and I'm waiting to upgrade to LHS.
Unfortunately my RHS pay is only a few percent less than FlyBe captains and a fair bit more than double their FO pay so not even nearly possible while maintaining current mortgage etc.
My current gig is good for existing captains though who like a 6 figure salary and to be home most of the time .... but at the current rate, I will be sitting on the right for another 7 years to get to 4000TT.
Unfortunately my RHS pay is only a few percent less than FlyBe captains and a fair bit more than double their FO pay so not even nearly possible while maintaining current mortgage etc.
My current gig is good for existing captains though who like a 6 figure salary and to be home most of the time .... but at the current rate, I will be sitting on the right for another 7 years to get to 4000TT.
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Globally, why change? Run those figures for the next 20 yrs and you are better off where you are surely. Even with a 7 year wait you fly 500 hours less then an airline bod, you can enjoy your family and even have a hobby or two. Enviable.
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Globally,
Sounds like you have a good gig but just for your reference FO second year at Flybe I average 2.6k take home pay.
Last year 41k before tax. Not the best but love the crew. Get standby travel on BA, Virgin, Delta, etc etc.
Captains get worked hard but pay not bad once you add extras on. 80-85ish some guys work loads of days off which really bumps pay up.
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Sounds like you have a good gig but just for your reference FO second year at Flybe I average 2.6k take home pay.
Last year 41k before tax. Not the best but love the crew. Get standby travel on BA, Virgin, Delta, etc etc.
Captains get worked hard but pay not bad once you add extras on. 80-85ish some guys work loads of days off which really bumps pay up.
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The only reason to jump from corporate (which I did a few years ago) is job stability: two of my previous company went bankrupt in the last 3 years, with little warning signs.
In the airlines you will work much harder, but at least you won't be worried about not having a job overnight.
Er....yes it did.
First I knew of it was reading a newspaper on the train the next day....
First I knew of it was reading a newspaper on the train the next day....
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Weren't they about to collapse the last year as well?
Plus they were not exactly making huge profits.
In corporate you are at the whim of the owner or the shareholders. The company can make billions, but if they wake up on a bad mood one day...
One example: General Electric flight department in US has just been closed, leaving tens of pilots on the street, with two weeks notice. The company just decided to charter instead of using their own metal.
On the other side the JP Morgan pilots just got 80k USD annual pay rise, plus other benefits. But again, who knows till when this will last...
Plus they were not exactly making huge profits.
In corporate you are at the whim of the owner or the shareholders. The company can make billions, but if they wake up on a bad mood one day...
One example: General Electric flight department in US has just been closed, leaving tens of pilots on the street, with two weeks notice. The company just decided to charter instead of using their own metal.
On the other side the JP Morgan pilots just got 80k USD annual pay rise, plus other benefits. But again, who knows till when this will last...
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If so good as CC with the orange, why we have so much coming to purple ? (At least at my base).
Flybe pay the type to their pilots, you have a bond but nothing to pay back if you stay.
I know ... nobody cares today about that today, because it is "normal nowday ... Still 20/25£ in your pocket than in the airline bank account.
FO have an increase of 3000£ salary every years for the first 3 years than 2000£ per annum after (does stop after 10)
I don't know the roster of other airline (i know lots of disparity in the world between airline).
But you have 2 sectors days with Flybe.
Does give you a duty time sometime as low as 4h/4h30. Plenty of time to enjoy your life on a working day.
I m definitely not saying Flybe is the best of the best. If your life is all about the big numbers at this end of the pay check, definitely not Flybe, ... but if other considerations, I understand why some people stay there and are happy, definitely not a bad airline when you take all in count.
Me too I was in corporate before, had 2 bankrupt ...
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Number 1, junior cabin crew ? After how many years ? Sorry to say that but I always have a doubt about random number throw in a forum ... According to the press, Ryanair cabin crew make 40 000 euro, but it appears it is for senior+trainer+base manager with the full contract ...
If so good as CC with the orange, why we have so much coming to purple ? (At least at my base).
If so good as CC with the orange, why we have so much coming to purple ? (At least at my base).
In my country for example they have a very favorable tax system, for which pilots and cabin crew end up with a more than decent net salary, compared to other contracts with similar gross amounts.
A purser here makes on average 3k eur net a month plus yearly bonus, just to give you an idea. A second officer makes 50% more than that. A normal cabin crew around 500 less a month.
Salary does not go up with time, a year 1 purse makes the same as a year 10. Same for pilots, a part from the normal progression from second, to first, to senior f/o. Loyalty bonus is a slightly different subject.
I am not throwing numbers, these are actual figures.
Sorry for the off topic.
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Anyone have any idea if they have employed experienced jet captains onto the dash?
Ive many 1000s of Widebody hrs, but this may not be considered suitable for a TP job?!
Im just a number in my current company.
Ive many 1000s of Widebody hrs, but this may not be considered suitable for a TP job?!
Im just a number in my current company.
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Yes we do definitely, not just the classic near retirement guys wanting to move closer to home near retirement but many other situations too. Your experience would most definitely be considered relevant for a TP job! It's a pity it doesn't work the other way round so much haha.
I'm fear you'll still be a number though.
I'm fear you'll still be a number though.
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highfive - Flybe have had problems in the past with very experienced pilots retiring from major airlines, or rather the pilots had a problem with Flybe. To be fair it was over 10 years ago and the main issue was the considerable roster disruption going on at the time. The guys in question (a batch all taken on at the same time) wanted to have a quiet end to their flying careers (as one would want) but Flybe messed them around (6 on 2 off, roster changes, unscheduled nightstops etc) to the point where they just dug their heels in and began saying no. In the end they all left by mutual agreement.
I doubt there is such a level of disruption these days but it's worth checking you'd get the lifestyle to suit you.
I doubt there is such a level of disruption these days but it's worth checking you'd get the lifestyle to suit you.
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Agree with most of the previous comments.
Worth pointing out though that as far as rostering and lifestyle are concerned it can feel like a very different company depending on your base/seat/fleet, so for example, on the same fleet people at one base can be working their backsides off while at another base they're having a (relatively) easier time, similarly at a given base one fleet can be doing large amounts of night-stopping while the other fleet does virtually none. To get an idea of the lifestyle you are likely to 'enjoy' you need to talk to somebody in the same base/seat/fleet position that you yourself are likely to end up occupying.
Worth pointing out though that as far as rostering and lifestyle are concerned it can feel like a very different company depending on your base/seat/fleet, so for example, on the same fleet people at one base can be working their backsides off while at another base they're having a (relatively) easier time, similarly at a given base one fleet can be doing large amounts of night-stopping while the other fleet does virtually none. To get an idea of the lifestyle you are likely to 'enjoy' you need to talk to somebody in the same base/seat/fleet position that you yourself are likely to end up occupying.
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Further to RogueOne's question, is anyone able to comment on / provide insight into the roster pattern(?) of a Dash FO based at any of the Scottish bases (ABZ, EDI or GLA)?
PM or post reply would be much appreciated!
Cheers.
PM or post reply would be much appreciated!
Cheers.