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Are the RPG or ECA ever going to do anything but send emails and do more LSE surveys?
Every worker regardless of weather there is a union in place or not has the right to strike under EU law. Since the company is making well over €1000000000 pre tax profit this year and not much less than that after tax perhaps it's time they threw the Pilots a bone.
Paid holidays and sick pay (for contractors)
Paid hotels for sim
Paid fuel supervising
Tea coffee water and crew meals (especially since there was a memo a 2 years ago stating you could no longer go into the terminal on a turnaround)
One could argue it is very suspicious how reluctant the RPG are to take any real action. Some believe they have already been infiltrated by company management classic case of union busting.
Every worker regardless of weather there is a union in place or not has the right to strike under EU law. Since the company is making well over €1000000000 pre tax profit this year and not much less than that after tax perhaps it's time they threw the Pilots a bone.
Paid holidays and sick pay (for contractors)
Paid hotels for sim
Paid fuel supervising
Tea coffee water and crew meals (especially since there was a memo a 2 years ago stating you could no longer go into the terminal on a turnaround)
One could argue it is very suspicious how reluctant the RPG are to take any real action. Some believe they have already been infiltrated by company management classic case of union busting.
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Wake up, that will never happen. A lot of people is leaving now, let's see if they can cover the summer season.
Contractors are the last part of the company to get anything decent, and, in 30 years, they haven't got anything yet
Contractors are the last part of the company to get anything decent, and, in 30 years, they haven't got anything yet
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It is high time for the pilots of legacy carriers to circumnavigate the inept ECA. There is an emergency going on in Europe, the fire warning bell is sounding, and the ECA is still fumbling around looking for the checklist!! I attach the following to illustrate the point:
http://youtu.be/PaOe_LVEF6M
http://youtu.be/KeCP338AOKM
http://youtu.be/vlmI10qjRds
http://youtu.be/PaOe_LVEF6M
http://youtu.be/KeCP338AOKM
http://youtu.be/vlmI10qjRds
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ialpa abandoned a pilot with an unfair dismissal case recently. Do not pay them a penny it's going behind the bar at the four seasons ballsbridge Dublin. Prawn sandwiches, canapés and Buck's Fizz, cheers losers. Much better loss of license is available elsewhere. Or continue to pay 480 euro a year for a magazine. A shiny magazine it has to be said, and a lanyard so you can advertise to others for free said 480 euro magazine.
I love it fellas 👍 Wish I could get people to pay me 480 quid to put together a few photos. What I'd do then is once a year I'd throw them a little party to make them feel important.. Oh yeah they thought of that already. It's quite obvious what's going on here and it shameful behaviour mr ec. Remember what I said in that email? We pay you nothing. Get Ryanair pilots a fair deal, stop all the nonsense carry on and every pilot pays you one year up front, but until then nada. I wasn't surprised by your response. I bet you guys even have fancy letter openers with ivory handles for all the fan mail from swords lol.
And the iaa? I bet the 'approved' stamp has to be replaced on a monthly basis due to over use. Controlled rest? Are you guys now just taking the absolute p@ss? Since when is it ok for a pilot to work 13 hours and sleep upright at the controls? And who in the name of God approved duty to end when you get on stand? Who approved the no water for crew policy? and cups that can't be used in a pressurised environment? You can dress it up whatever way you want that's just ridiculous. And 350 quid for a piece of paper? Shame on you. Dick Turpin wore a mask at least.
I also noticed your game when I left Ryanair. I asked for a no accident or incident letter, and you don't provide one. What you do however provide is confirmation of license status but only to the prospective employer directly, so you can tell Ryanair where I'm going. Whilst getting all high and mighty about releasing information on pilots.. To anyone but Ryanair that is haha. Nice one. After I paid you 350 quid for my license.
I love it fellas 👍 Wish I could get people to pay me 480 quid to put together a few photos. What I'd do then is once a year I'd throw them a little party to make them feel important.. Oh yeah they thought of that already. It's quite obvious what's going on here and it shameful behaviour mr ec. Remember what I said in that email? We pay you nothing. Get Ryanair pilots a fair deal, stop all the nonsense carry on and every pilot pays you one year up front, but until then nada. I wasn't surprised by your response. I bet you guys even have fancy letter openers with ivory handles for all the fan mail from swords lol.
And the iaa? I bet the 'approved' stamp has to be replaced on a monthly basis due to over use. Controlled rest? Are you guys now just taking the absolute p@ss? Since when is it ok for a pilot to work 13 hours and sleep upright at the controls? And who in the name of God approved duty to end when you get on stand? Who approved the no water for crew policy? and cups that can't be used in a pressurised environment? You can dress it up whatever way you want that's just ridiculous. And 350 quid for a piece of paper? Shame on you. Dick Turpin wore a mask at least.
I also noticed your game when I left Ryanair. I asked for a no accident or incident letter, and you don't provide one. What you do however provide is confirmation of license status but only to the prospective employer directly, so you can tell Ryanair where I'm going. Whilst getting all high and mighty about releasing information on pilots.. To anyone but Ryanair that is haha. Nice one. After I paid you 350 quid for my license.
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let's see if they can cover the summer season, i'm in stitches here, i heard that 8 years in a row working for the devil.
i do however completely agree that all the rpg, and before them repa, did was to send out surveys and make pretend union work.
what a shame.
i do however completely agree that all the rpg, and before them repa, did was to send out surveys and make pretend union work.
what a shame.
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Getting the blindfolds off the RYR pilots
I don't work for Ryanair anymore, so technically it is not in my interest to care about those who do. Technically. The fact is, however, if a large and financially successful (billion-euro-net-profit) airline company is treating pilots like farm animals instead of professionals, the problem does not end at their side of the fence. It affects all of us, and not as indirectly as you might think.
I proposed an idea to IFALPA two years ago which I think we really should try in Europe. A "big brother" mentoring program which connects legacy pilots to those pilots at Ryanair who do not know how pilots are supposed to be treated. With regular, friendly phone contact, a Ryanair pilot could learn from a legacy pilot -- who is from his language/nationality if possible -- that he is being led down the primrose path. Only by doing such a thing can those Ryanair pilots who started as cadets (most of them) be brought out of the darkness.
If they aren't brought out of the darkness, NOTHING is going to work.
Unfortunately yes this does entail communicating to Ryanair pilots that the unions have been a colossal failure and for now should be ignored (my own theory: key people have been bought off by MOL & Co.).
Give it a thought: mentoring by actual professional airline pilots who still have reasonable contracts. If we don't do it, those reasonable contracts will soon be an endangered species.
I proposed an idea to IFALPA two years ago which I think we really should try in Europe. A "big brother" mentoring program which connects legacy pilots to those pilots at Ryanair who do not know how pilots are supposed to be treated. With regular, friendly phone contact, a Ryanair pilot could learn from a legacy pilot -- who is from his language/nationality if possible -- that he is being led down the primrose path. Only by doing such a thing can those Ryanair pilots who started as cadets (most of them) be brought out of the darkness.
If they aren't brought out of the darkness, NOTHING is going to work.
Unfortunately yes this does entail communicating to Ryanair pilots that the unions have been a colossal failure and for now should be ignored (my own theory: key people have been bought off by MOL & Co.).
Give it a thought: mentoring by actual professional airline pilots who still have reasonable contracts. If we don't do it, those reasonable contracts will soon be an endangered species.
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Not a bad idea birdstrike. Educating pilots to what is normal in other companies is never a bad thing. One of the most successful pieces of work I witnessed while operating in low cost airlines was the communication of a permanent easyJet contract and payslip analysis. It certainly shocked me how far behind my terms and conditions were.
I highly doubt RPG or IALPA are infiltrated by ryanair management. But if that is the excuse ryanair pilots want to hide behind best of luck to them.
I highly doubt RPG or IALPA are infiltrated by ryanair management. But if that is the excuse ryanair pilots want to hide behind best of luck to them.
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I wonder why RYR guys are so reluctant to fight for their rights, via a union or not. They can see what benefits cohesion and togetherness has bought their competitors. Why do they not want the same? Are they saying they would reject a more commonly seen better deal if it was offered? If that's what they want then why not fight for it? If published figures are correct, and anecdotes from ez crews are correct, it would seem that unionised ez makes more profit per a/c than RYR and ez crews get a better deal overall than RYR. You don't always have to compare yourselves to BA, but a more an apple & apple like competitor.
BALPA is certainly not top model for pilots' union, but at ez they appear to have been better than nothing, even if only to create some cohesion. At non-union airlines, it can be seen like the nose on your face, that cohesion is as missing as pork chops at a synagogue barbecue. If a union, bad or not, is the only effective way to achieve this, then why not support that route? It's better to do something than nothing. As Churchill said, "it's not action that scares me, it is inaction." Nothing gets better just by wishing it.
BALPA is certainly not top model for pilots' union, but at ez they appear to have been better than nothing, even if only to create some cohesion. At non-union airlines, it can be seen like the nose on your face, that cohesion is as missing as pork chops at a synagogue barbecue. If a union, bad or not, is the only effective way to achieve this, then why not support that route? It's better to do something than nothing. As Churchill said, "it's not action that scares me, it is inaction." Nothing gets better just by wishing it.
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Nothing gets better by wishing....
Well put, Rat 5. What I saw up-close at RYR was a pilot workforce composed mostly of people who thought they were profiting from O'Leary's crimes, never realising that they were in fact among the victims. The psychological game play at Ryanair is off the charts. They run the company like a Stalinist regime. Most of the pilots have no intention of staying longer than they have to (which itself is part of the business plan), but they don't realise that by being there and being complicit, they are also ruining things outside Ryanair. They are basically using the drinking water supply as a latrine, and it needs to stop. Why the ECA and its member unions are asleep at the wheel I have no idea except that they seem to win no matter how badly pilots lose. Time for a revolution, and the first pillar to fall needs to be the ECA.
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Added to that Birdstrike: if the pilots are hesitant/scared/nervous of confronting RYR, why are they also the same of confronting IALPA? Over 4 years they have paid an enormous sum into their koffers. Why are they not demanding something in return? If they are getting nothing out why pay anything in? By behaving in such a manner they are indicating to RYR just how weak willed they are. Could be said they get what they deserve. No pain no gain.
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Imagine if all the contractors resigned overnight and joined a new agency...
Said new agency goes to Dublin and offers Ryan 2000 pilots but for twice the money.
See who blinks first!
Said new agency goes to Dublin and offers Ryan 2000 pilots but for twice the money.
See who blinks first!
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Who's the agency? Suspect it would need to be a collective cooperative of the pilots. That needs cohesion & leadership, the lack of which has allowed this situation to develop in the first place.
But then again; the whole agency status is up for close inspection. A collective summer holiday unavailable for duty declaration might be effective. All my household contractors go on holiday in August. A plumber or electrician or builder is not possible. So why not also a self-employed pilot?
But then again; the whole agency status is up for close inspection. A collective summer holiday unavailable for duty declaration might be effective. All my household contractors go on holiday in August. A plumber or electrician or builder is not possible. So why not also a self-employed pilot?
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No agency, being hypothethical.
Amazing in this day and age of social media, the rebels in syria managed combine to fight back against the establishment and the pilots cant!
Amazing in this day and age of social media, the rebels in syria managed combine to fight back against the establishment and the pilots cant!
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I hear recently the speech by cabin crew when selling scratch cards has been changed to 'a portion' of the ticket price goes to charity. Lol. Yes. A small portion, the rest of what you spent goes to pure profit. Profit earned on the back of childhood cancer. Disgusting behaviour. And you have no chance of winning anything whatsoever. 125 envelopes and one of which contains the million pound prize, now if you think for a second there's an envelope on that table with a million quid in it you're an idiot.
Back on topic. I've said it again and again, treat them as a business partner, not someone who has done you a favour. They've gotten away with this carry on for too long and it's now permeating into other companies, wake up eca.
Back on topic. I've said it again and again, treat them as a business partner, not someone who has done you a favour. They've gotten away with this carry on for too long and it's now permeating into other companies, wake up eca.
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The Ialpa/Ryanair Balpa repa cabal have banned the videos that were posted on this forum from YouTube.
Don't go to the next stupid propaganda meeting, anything safety related is posted on crew dock and trained into you. There is no such thing as negotiation and Irish law says an Irish company must have a union recognition unless said company is seen to negotiate directly with its employees. Which is why they take your names at said meetings, to show the government 'look we negotiate directly and we're Europe's favourite airline and 90% of our flights are on time because the dispatcher and the captain say so even though they're 10 min late' (my favourite meal is fillet steak, I don't eat it every night, it's no ones favourite airline apart from z level management and a couple of very low paid bell ends)
Stop giving your money to Balpa, Ialpa, or anyone else, they are spending it in shannahans in st Stevens green on chai lattes. Keep your cash, and get yourself a latte instead. Will you be having the foi gras starter mr Cullen? They abandon you when you need legal representation (GTD, MC, you know who you are) and sell you below par loss of license through a third party. You can do that yourself.
I know I rant. Please argue with me instead of pointing out that I rant or that my punctuation or grammar is bad.
Don't go to the next stupid propaganda meeting, anything safety related is posted on crew dock and trained into you. There is no such thing as negotiation and Irish law says an Irish company must have a union recognition unless said company is seen to negotiate directly with its employees. Which is why they take your names at said meetings, to show the government 'look we negotiate directly and we're Europe's favourite airline and 90% of our flights are on time because the dispatcher and the captain say so even though they're 10 min late' (my favourite meal is fillet steak, I don't eat it every night, it's no ones favourite airline apart from z level management and a couple of very low paid bell ends)
Stop giving your money to Balpa, Ialpa, or anyone else, they are spending it in shannahans in st Stevens green on chai lattes. Keep your cash, and get yourself a latte instead. Will you be having the foi gras starter mr Cullen? They abandon you when you need legal representation (GTD, MC, you know who you are) and sell you below par loss of license through a third party. You can do that yourself.
I know I rant. Please argue with me instead of pointing out that I rant or that my punctuation or grammar is bad.
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If I click on the links back on post#3 I can still watch them, so, I guess they are still on youtube . . . . seems that they have been taken off somewhere else that didn't want to defend them ? . . . .which, given that most of the content seemed fairly credible, is indeed a bit sad from a Union/European Cockpit Association 