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And herein is part of the reason why they are recording record profits. Also the reason why they charge that much for type ratings? Because starry eyed wannabes are prepared to pay it, pure and simple, they are queuing up to pay Easyjet the money. 
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The type rating cost for DEC/DEFO is £20-25k upfront. Still a piss take when they're predicting £700m profit. A bond or monthly salary deduction would be much fairer, especially as they also only pay you 90% salary for the first six months... Approx. another £5k for a Skipper! Shame 
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38k wtf are they on that's a p1$$ take and shameful. I recently chatted to a new Ryanair FO at EMA the day before his induction and he was intending sleeping in his car for a week. FR are selling that they are trying to improve service etc - how about starting to look after their Staff for once rather than the continuos desire for more profit and better than Easyjet at any cost 😞😞
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People i know have declined the crap contract when they have been send out and after careful reading. Compared to the likes of Wizz there is only little difference. Even Vueling in BCN pays long-term much more as a Skipper!
E.g, Vueling offers per block hour 63EUR up to 106EUR (>75h per month) plus diary of 100 EUR per day!! Even when you consider a less basic salary it will significantly offset the higher basic pay in easyJet!!
Assuming you fly 850h in Vueling (in EZY you´ll work your ass OFF as well), and fly 100h over the 75h threshold and 120 day per year (will be more) that´s already a uplift of 70t! Even in year one it would outperform the basic easyJet salary plus sector pay.
EZY offers NO loyality bonus, NO pensions, holidays of just 25 days per year, crap uniforms, no sick pay, FRV 123 and no contractual agreement to go for better paid bases. What a shame ...
Only LGW T&C are the same like the old contracts, thanks to BALPA. TheHence a lot of Monarch guy are queuing up for it. But forget the other bases!!The questions is for how long???
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Easyjet has a very good training set up & a fineSOP structure which protects the weaker candidates.
They will be over the moon with more & more Captains & Fo's leaving as they have a huge list of cheap replacements chomping at the bit to land a job whatever the conditions which they will do just as well.
The industry is collapsing for pilots . The days of it being perceived as a profession are long gone & anyone thinking they're leaving easy to the promised land are going to get a shock.
The terms & conditions at ALL airlines are being eroded . They are all chasing each other to compete with lower & lower conditions.
Regulators FTL's are now becoming more & more stretched & a career is now not feasible full time.
All you guys who payed to get to the front of the queue are going to be faced with greater & greater costs to stay there ! You can rent your big cars & get ever increasing mortgages to make you feel you're good old aviators but you're just McPilots kidding yourselves !
12 months left for me , can't wait !!!!!!!
They will be over the moon with more & more Captains & Fo's leaving as they have a huge list of cheap replacements chomping at the bit to land a job whatever the conditions which they will do just as well.
The industry is collapsing for pilots . The days of it being perceived as a profession are long gone & anyone thinking they're leaving easy to the promised land are going to get a shock.
The terms & conditions at ALL airlines are being eroded . They are all chasing each other to compete with lower & lower conditions.
Regulators FTL's are now becoming more & more stretched & a career is now not feasible full time.
All you guys who payed to get to the front of the queue are going to be faced with greater & greater costs to stay there ! You can rent your big cars & get ever increasing mortgages to make you feel you're good old aviators but you're just McPilots kidding yourselves !
12 months left for me , can't wait !!!!!!!
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Lawro, you lucky bugger. Wish I had 12 months left. Instead I have about 30 years left (at the moment. This is before the government in 10 years' start b*ggering around with the retirement age again).
Picking up your point, there was an article in the FT yesterday. Some guy was writing that when he bought his house, he was a university lecturer on a salary equivalent to £40,000 today. Now, the area he lives in London is characterised by houses (and flats) with 7 figure price tags, beyond the reach of even the relatively well paid.
Us pilots fall into the "relatively well paid" category. Yes, our contracts these days are nothing like the contracts of old. More's the pity. However, take an F/O at Eastern, who's probably on about £30K. That still puts him/her in the top 20-25% percentile. CityFlyer, about £43K. Top 15 percentile. Jet2, £50K.
What's gone wrong in the meantime is the transfer of wealth from the factory floor to the boardroom. Executive pay is now 183 times more than the lowest paid people, up from about 160 times 3 years ago.
In all that time, the property price inflation in the UK has exacerbated the problem, drawing disposable income away from the workers.
What I'm saying is that this industry is no different to any other industry. And, in summary... we're all f**ked.
PS take your pension early before the stock market crashes, mate!
Picking up your point, there was an article in the FT yesterday. Some guy was writing that when he bought his house, he was a university lecturer on a salary equivalent to £40,000 today. Now, the area he lives in London is characterised by houses (and flats) with 7 figure price tags, beyond the reach of even the relatively well paid.
Us pilots fall into the "relatively well paid" category. Yes, our contracts these days are nothing like the contracts of old. More's the pity. However, take an F/O at Eastern, who's probably on about £30K. That still puts him/her in the top 20-25% percentile. CityFlyer, about £43K. Top 15 percentile. Jet2, £50K.
What's gone wrong in the meantime is the transfer of wealth from the factory floor to the boardroom. Executive pay is now 183 times more than the lowest paid people, up from about 160 times 3 years ago.
In all that time, the property price inflation in the UK has exacerbated the problem, drawing disposable income away from the workers.
What I'm saying is that this industry is no different to any other industry. And, in summary... we're all f**ked.
PS take your pension early before the stock market crashes, mate!
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WX man, it's cheaper to pay the executive 183 times the pay of the ordinary worker than raising all the workers pay accordingly.
Interrestingly enough, the executive himself is slashing the payment to workers, thereby saving the company a lot of money, and in the meantime gets a salaryraise which is nothing compared to the saved expenses.
We've fostered a generation of selfish young people who think they're the centre of the universe who think they can handle themselves and doesn't need to be part of a group while negotiating salaries... Problem is, that kind of people get screwed over without even recognizing it, while they still believe in the "everyone for himself" slogan being so much published by liberalists these days.
The only type of people that gain on this, are the stockholders, which annoyingly enough are even the worker themselves, (even those that now complain about the "young blood" have stocks, and an conflicting interrest in the matter) and ofcourse the executives.
Interrestingly enough, the executive himself is slashing the payment to workers, thereby saving the company a lot of money, and in the meantime gets a salaryraise which is nothing compared to the saved expenses.
We've fostered a generation of selfish young people who think they're the centre of the universe who think they can handle themselves and doesn't need to be part of a group while negotiating salaries... Problem is, that kind of people get screwed over without even recognizing it, while they still believe in the "everyone for himself" slogan being so much published by liberalists these days.
The only type of people that gain on this, are the stockholders, which annoyingly enough are even the worker themselves, (even those that now complain about the "young blood" have stocks, and an conflicting interrest in the matter) and ofcourse the executives.
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In the end our current Ponzi scheme house of cards economy will collapse anyways, simply because people have no spending power anymore and will slow down/stop consuming. 
All those incompetent CEO's are complaining that "business is slow" but at the same time they expect their own employees to keep on spending whilst salaries, pensions, health care and employment security is being eroded. Duh!
The only smart thing ANY pilot can do it: GET OUT OF DEBT!!
As for all the newbies who were stupid enough to pay >£100k for flight training since 2008 I do feel sorry, but there is not much they can do.
They will most probably NEVER be able to pay off that massive amount of debt, and the only 'advice' I can give them is: when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!
Stop getting yourself deeper and deeper in debt, stop paying for type ratings, stop paying for training, stop paying for 500-1000 hour 'programs, and stop making the problem worse by flying for peanuts for low-cost airlines in order to get flight hours, because those flight hours will NOT get you anywhere and you'll only lose precious years of your life.
Be a man (m/f) and admit that you've made a wrong decision, admit that you've been lied to by flight schools, airlines and banks who gave you those loans, and (re-)negotiate with your bank about debt restructuring (remember, when the big bank almost went bankrupt in 2008 they didn't hesitate or were shy to ask for a bailout!
) and restart your life with a clean slate while you're still young! 
All those incompetent CEO's are complaining that "business is slow" but at the same time they expect their own employees to keep on spending whilst salaries, pensions, health care and employment security is being eroded. Duh!
The only smart thing ANY pilot can do it: GET OUT OF DEBT!!
As for all the newbies who were stupid enough to pay >£100k for flight training since 2008 I do feel sorry, but there is not much they can do.
They will most probably NEVER be able to pay off that massive amount of debt, and the only 'advice' I can give them is: when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!
Stop getting yourself deeper and deeper in debt, stop paying for type ratings, stop paying for training, stop paying for 500-1000 hour 'programs, and stop making the problem worse by flying for peanuts for low-cost airlines in order to get flight hours, because those flight hours will NOT get you anywhere and you'll only lose precious years of your life.
Be a man (m/f) and admit that you've made a wrong decision, admit that you've been lied to by flight schools, airlines and banks who gave you those loans, and (re-)negotiate with your bank about debt restructuring (remember, when the big bank almost went bankrupt in 2008 they didn't hesitate or were shy to ask for a bailout!
) and restart your life with a clean slate while you're still young!
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I am young, a product of a training school and have a loan. So, in summary, the subject of Lluccifer's ire.
In the interest of balance and perspective, here is my situation:
Yes I do have a loan, no it doesn't need renegotiating. I am on a good easyJet UK contract. This is isn't unusual or hard to come by, but the normal in the UK. Unfortunately I'll concede that easyJet has a long list of faults and some of the European contracts leave a lot to be desired.
With regards to gaining experience and going no where, myself and circa 300 easyJet FOs have/are joined/joining BA because we have the requisite experience.
Ultimately joining easyJet or becoming a 'cadet' is an individual choice, but I spent my whole time training reading posts on pprune slating my chosen route and telling me that I'd end up jobless with a huge loan. It hasn't happened and I don't consider myself an anomaly. Whilst I'm not saying jump headlong into it all consider that the people who are happy in their jobs don't generally bother with pprune and people who have issues bravely do so from behind a veil of anonymity. Consider all the options, what you really want and what is right for you and ask the right people for advice.
In the interest of balance and perspective, here is my situation:
Yes I do have a loan, no it doesn't need renegotiating. I am on a good easyJet UK contract. This is isn't unusual or hard to come by, but the normal in the UK. Unfortunately I'll concede that easyJet has a long list of faults and some of the European contracts leave a lot to be desired.
With regards to gaining experience and going no where, myself and circa 300 easyJet FOs have/are joined/joining BA because we have the requisite experience.
Ultimately joining easyJet or becoming a 'cadet' is an individual choice, but I spent my whole time training reading posts on pprune slating my chosen route and telling me that I'd end up jobless with a huge loan. It hasn't happened and I don't consider myself an anomaly. Whilst I'm not saying jump headlong into it all consider that the people who are happy in their jobs don't generally bother with pprune and people who have issues bravely do so from behind a veil of anonymity. Consider all the options, what you really want and what is right for you and ask the right people for advice.
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WOnderbus you miss the point . It's not about being jobless , the point is that ever increasing numbers of people who want to pay to get to the front of the queue are changing the job completely.
The industry has now become based upon stumping up cash . The employers from easy to Ryan & BA are filling their boots with people eager to clamber over the guy ahead of him ready to accept lower pay & conditions , it's happening at every airline.
Why are BA taking on so many low hour guys right now ? Could it be similar to the large intake of cabin crew over the last 8 years , busting the unions & obliterating the decent contracts ? You chat to many of the BA crew I used to work with about pay & conditions & how they are now in comparison to 10 years ago.
CTC pumping out many many more this year & they're all eyeing up your job & are willing to do it for less than you !
The industry has now become based upon stumping up cash . The employers from easy to Ryan & BA are filling their boots with people eager to clamber over the guy ahead of him ready to accept lower pay & conditions , it's happening at every airline.
Why are BA taking on so many low hour guys right now ? Could it be similar to the large intake of cabin crew over the last 8 years , busting the unions & obliterating the decent contracts ? You chat to many of the BA crew I used to work with about pay & conditions & how they are now in comparison to 10 years ago.
CTC pumping out many many more this year & they're all eyeing up your job & are willing to do it for less than you !
the point is that ever increasing numbers of people who want to pay to get to the front of the queue are changing the job completely.
Now, since the dawn of the industry little boys and girls have looked to the skies upon hearing the roar or aero-engines. Whilst back in 1960 or 1980 only a privileged few got the chance to follow in Daddy's footsteps, the opportunity is within the reach of many more youngsters.
Yes, it is very unfair that airlines are subsidising ticket prices with cuts to their training budgets, but to those keen to become commerical pilots in Europe there are almost no other options but to pay for a rating. But you cannot lay the blame at the feet of the new joiners. Given the choice, none of them would pay for a job.
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I have to admit that the idea of paying for a type-rating doesn't thrill me, but everybody has to make a decision relative to their own situation, and I have to make a decision that works for me in the long term. (looking forward, not back at the good old days).
Is easyJet a place you can stay for 10 years, many allude to rosters that will kill you, without quantifying - how many flight hours per year are typical please (LGW CAPT)? Approx how many days working and how many standby on FRV123?
And if cares to share... anybody who has been offered direct entry command at LGW... what's being offered? PPJN talks about new-joiners getting random rosters, but "once permanent"??? - Is it a fixed contract being offered to captains???
Thanks for any info.
Is easyJet a place you can stay for 10 years, many allude to rosters that will kill you, without quantifying - how many flight hours per year are typical please (LGW CAPT)? Approx how many days working and how many standby on FRV123?
And if cares to share... anybody who has been offered direct entry command at LGW... what's being offered? PPJN talks about new-joiners getting random rosters, but "once permanent"??? - Is it a fixed contract being offered to captains???
Thanks for any info.
