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I'm a guy who paid the ridiculous sum of money and I do blame easyJet and their partners (CTC/OAA).
Less then 2 weeks before signing the contract I received the exciting news that I had to pay £38.400,- instead of £32.000,-. Goodluck with persuading the bank to pay an extra £6.400,- within 2 weeks. They do not care at all about the financial situation of their new FO's.
Offcourse there is the option to tell them no, with the risk to sit at home for years like many other graduated ab initio pilots.. No thanks.
If a company treats its people well they are loyal. Guess how loyal me and my coursemates are..
Less then 2 weeks before signing the contract I received the exciting news that I had to pay £38.400,- instead of £32.000,-. Goodluck with persuading the bank to pay an extra £6.400,- within 2 weeks. They do not care at all about the financial situation of their new FO's.
Offcourse there is the option to tell them no, with the risk to sit at home for years like many other graduated ab initio pilots.. No thanks.
If a company treats its people well they are loyal. Guess how loyal me and my coursemates are..
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Do you get accommodation included in the 38k when on the conversion?
I was asked in the summer by a F/O joining FR where was the best place to park his Car as he was going to sleep rough during induction.
Do you get a breakdown of what 38k pays for, i suspect a lot goes straight into someones bank account
Do you get accommodation included in the 38k when on the conversion?
I was asked in the summer by a F/O joining FR where was the best place to park his Car as he was going to sleep rough during induction.
Do you get a breakdown of what 38k pays for, i suspect a lot goes straight into someones bank account
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Easyjet charging 38k i.e. nearly 55k euros for a type rating from cadets is disgusting.
And also asking non rated experienced guys to pay too. It's an absolute shambles.
Why can't they bond experienced guys? Jet2 AFAIK do and also FLYBE. Ryanair are even bonding non rated experienced guys as well on to permanent contracts.
Supply and demand I suppose.
And also asking non rated experienced guys to pay too. It's an absolute shambles.
Why can't they bond experienced guys? Jet2 AFAIK do and also FLYBE. Ryanair are even bonding non rated experienced guys as well on to permanent contracts.
Supply and demand I suppose.
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Nope. You just get an invoice and if you do not pay it before the date you are supposed to, they hire someone else.
Nope. You just get an invoice and if you do not pay it before the date you are supposed to, they hire someone else.
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Folks, I have worked at easyJet for many years and am now a fairly senior pilot in the system. Before you all start ranting at me, I am not a manager and have no part in the recruitment process. In order to understand what is going on here, you have to have an appreciation of the environment easyJet operates in. We are in a vicious battle with Vueling, Ryanair, Norwegian, Monarch and increasingly with the legacy carriers who are all upping their game. Ryanair in particular are buying aircraft at a staggering rate and are increasingly placing them in direct competition against us. All these companies have very low cost bases and virtually none have the encumbrance of Trade Unions to deal with. In stark contrast we, mercifully, are very unionised, but are constantly looking for ways to save money to keep us in number one or two positions at most of our airports. Crew costs are a huge factor for us and if easyJet had its way, we would be just like Ryanair. It is possibly no coincidence that a good number of the pilots we have just recruited have come from there but are now very glad to be at easyJet. Much to the annoyance of our big corporate shareholders, we are not having a special dividend this year, and our share price has dropped markedly since our results came out, largely due to fears about our ability to compete against Ryanair. Therefore, there is enormous pressure to battle over every penny and nowhere is that more evident than initial training costs. Put simply, we need to keep the costs down to compete. What is being offered is not p2f, and it is incredibly foolish to say it is. The type rating cost is frankly not reflective of the true cost, but in reality much more associated with keeping the cost of your salary down. So, love it or hate it, that is the way it is. Right now there are few better or safer places to work other than a national carrier. Presumably if you could get a job at one of those you would not be here on PPRuNe having this discussion, so it sounds like this is as good as it going to get. Therefore my encouragement to you is to decide now if you really want to be part of this.
Given there are literally thousands of low-housed pilots without jobs, if you are a cadet and have a place with easyJet lined up, you are unbelievably fortunate and need to just thank God for the opportunity you have been given. If you are an experienced pilot, and already hate easyJet because of the type rating costs, then you are simply going to work for the wrong company. Do both us and yourselves a huge favour and go somewhere else where you will be more appreciated. If, however, you can see your way to just accepting the harsh economics of our world, then come and join us with a great attitude and a willingness to learn. It is a great place to be overall, with new aircraft, interesting routes, good training, and excellent safety culture and some great colleagues to work with. It is not perfect, but if you choose to have a positive attitude you can have a great time.
Given there are literally thousands of low-housed pilots without jobs, if you are a cadet and have a place with easyJet lined up, you are unbelievably fortunate and need to just thank God for the opportunity you have been given. If you are an experienced pilot, and already hate easyJet because of the type rating costs, then you are simply going to work for the wrong company. Do both us and yourselves a huge favour and go somewhere else where you will be more appreciated. If, however, you can see your way to just accepting the harsh economics of our world, then come and join us with a great attitude and a willingness to learn. It is a great place to be overall, with new aircraft, interesting routes, good training, and excellent safety culture and some great colleagues to work with. It is not perfect, but if you choose to have a positive attitude you can have a great time.
In a vicious battle with Monarch? I have to confess that one made me chuckle.
I'd hazard a guess the real reason the share price has dropped dramatically since the results came out is the little matter of Jihadis mowing down 130 people in a major western city (Europe and the World's most visited city no less) coupled with same Jihadis blowing a Russian A321 out of the sky departing one of the company's profitable destinations.
That kind of stuff has the ability to put a dampener on all airline stocks, as it has. Easyjet is not in isolation in having its share price drop, just look at IAG.
Airline competes with another airline shocker!! I suppose the fact that easyJet posted a £650 Million+ profit competing against Ryanair (and yet increased its profits from last year in the face of the increased competition, converse to your argument) means it can plead poverty.
BA this year comfortably outperformed easyJet's profit despite carrying less passengers and burning more fuel. This is an airline that fully funds not only new type ratings but fully funds conversions onto new fleets. Food for thought.
Just so you know I'm not anti easyJet. Training: Top notch, Colleagues: ditto, Variety: Can't be beaten on short haul, Job security: Unparalleled. But the recruitment processes I would not put in the same category and other people have used the words throughout this thread. I will decline to do so although you can maybe guess my opinion.
I'd hazard a guess the real reason the share price has dropped dramatically since the results came out is the little matter of Jihadis mowing down 130 people in a major western city (Europe and the World's most visited city no less) coupled with same Jihadis blowing a Russian A321 out of the sky departing one of the company's profitable destinations.
That kind of stuff has the ability to put a dampener on all airline stocks, as it has. Easyjet is not in isolation in having its share price drop, just look at IAG.
Airline competes with another airline shocker!! I suppose the fact that easyJet posted a £650 Million+ profit competing against Ryanair (and yet increased its profits from last year in the face of the increased competition, converse to your argument) means it can plead poverty.
BA this year comfortably outperformed easyJet's profit despite carrying less passengers and burning more fuel. This is an airline that fully funds not only new type ratings but fully funds conversions onto new fleets. Food for thought.
Just so you know I'm not anti easyJet. Training: Top notch, Colleagues: ditto, Variety: Can't be beaten on short haul, Job security: Unparalleled. But the recruitment processes I would not put in the same category and other people have used the words throughout this thread. I will decline to do so although you can maybe guess my opinion.
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Senior pilots get 15% pay uplift loyality bonus after their 10th year, up to 15% in training positions, pensions, free shares + BAYE/SAYE, fixed pattern.
Some of the new pilots would just dream of
Seems that they just don´t care about the new T&C for new entrants or just
are happy to "live in the expense of the others. If you don´t like it, there is the door. Or be show gratitude and thank God (?) for this fortunate positions.
Sorry, you must be kidding or are being a bit over-sarcastic here.
Very nice attitude indeed mate
Some of the new pilots would just dream of
Seems that they just don´t care about the new T&C for new entrants or just
are happy to "live in the expense of the others. If you don´t like it, there is the door. Or be show gratitude and thank God (?) for this fortunate positions.
Sorry, you must be kidding or are being a bit over-sarcastic here.
Very nice attitude indeed mate
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Every 'cadet' that walks through the door has access to the same career progression and contracts that their legacy colleagues had. It just takes a little longer to achieve. That was a key part of the original strategy employed by the union. No matter what way you dress it up £42k isn't a bad start to flying with 200hrs experience. It increases every year despite the rumours because it was designed that way. No change in rank results in less salary even if you end up part-time in the process for a while. The number of days off in the roster is also the very same as the fixed pattern.
Many will go to BA .. Of course .. That's a no brainer if you plan to fly for the next 30+ years. Good luck to them. Easyjet it what it is. Like it or leave is the mantra.
Many will go to BA .. Of course .. That's a no brainer if you plan to fly for the next 30+ years. Good luck to them. Easyjet it what it is. Like it or leave is the mantra.
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It just takes a little longer to achieve.
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Plastic,
During the recent full year results presentation a city analyst asked the CEO directly if easy would have enough pilots for next year. She replied that the airline would and the head of flight ops ( in the audience ) agreed as well.
Interesting Summer if they have got it wrong......
During the recent full year results presentation a city analyst asked the CEO directly if easy would have enough pilots for next year. She replied that the airline would and the head of flight ops ( in the audience ) agreed as well.
Interesting Summer if they have got it wrong......
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My airline (a UK charter) has hired close to 20 ex EZY Flexicrew over the last 12 months and will no doubt hire many more next year. All on a full time contract, with a salary grossing them in the region of £70k in year one. And we've seen more troubled times than EZY. Corporate greed and exploitation of the dreams and ambitions of youngsters, that's what EasyJet is all about
Worth remembering too that significant numbers of the cadets hired back in 2008/9 were given six month contracts, laid off for the winter, then brought back the next summer on a new short term contract, then laid off for the winter again, then finally hired on a permanent contract on pay point one, having accrued no continuous service benefits. Then they were almost immediately told that they may well be at risk of redundancy at the end of the summer (which they were).
No airline holds a monopoly on 'corporate greed and exploitation'.
[Senior pilots get 15% pay uplift loyality bonus after their 10th year, up to 15% in training positions, pensions, free shares + BAYE/SAYE, fixed pattern.
Some of the new pilots would just dream of
Seems that they just don´t care about the new T&C for new entrants or just
are happy to "live in the expense of the others. If you don´t like it, there is the door. Or be show gratitude and thank God (?) for this fortunate positions.
Sorry, you must be kidding or are being a bit over-sarcastic here.
Very nice attitude indeed mate
Some of the new pilots would just dream of
Seems that they just don´t care about the new T&C for new entrants or just
are happy to "live in the expense of the others. If you don´t like it, there is the door. Or be show gratitude and thank God (?) for this fortunate positions.
Sorry, you must be kidding or are being a bit over-sarcastic here.
Very nice attitude indeed mate
ezy320, I think you may have missed a few years of fighting for NE contracts. It was a major issue that the current workforce made sacrifices to reach a clear compromise to have a proper career path for new joiners. All those things you list at the top aren't dreams, they're achievable for any new joiner in their future career with easyJet if they work hard.
I see you're LGW based, feel free to drop me a PM, I'll happily meet up for a coffee and we can have a chat.
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Good post Plastic787. Exactly why this thread should be Easyjet Cadet recruitment. Experienced pilots are not inclined to take a second officer position when within touching distance of a LHS. But then, these are not the guys/girls Ej want.
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Agree with the job security element of said charter airline. Not arguing that. Simply making the point that a company that offers less job security and makes much less profit is hiring and paying pilots properly from day one.
Agree with the job security element of said charter airline. Not arguing that. Simply making the point that a company that offers less job security and makes much less profit is hiring and paying pilots properly from day one.
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The SO contract is just a pay grade. They wear the same inform as everyone else and are refferred to as FO's. It only lasts 12 months anyway. When you're on it, you're an employee and more importantly can jump into the command process (which you can't do as a contractor) that is where (in theory) you can progress above the less experienced guys. EasyJet don't value turboprop guys. They never have. Sad but true. If I went to BA tomorrow theyd call me an FO on a 320 despite having 15 years bus P1 time. Not SFO, but FO. It's their train set.
I suggest if you can't take the concept of having a pay grade called SO then easyJet isn't the place for you anyway because there are plenty of more pressing issues to be worrying about on the inside. That's not a dig but if that really bothers you then the rest will ruin your happiness. Besides you could go to Flybe and earn 2/3 of the money trucking around on the q4 career killer as an FO ...but where will that get you ultimately?
Hiring FO' (or SO's) isn't causing any loss of sleep in the hangar. It's captains they are more concerned about although pretend that's in hand. When you all stop applying they'll start taking notice...and so the laws of demand and supply roll on.
I suggest if you can't take the concept of having a pay grade called SO then easyJet isn't the place for you anyway because there are plenty of more pressing issues to be worrying about on the inside. That's not a dig but if that really bothers you then the rest will ruin your happiness. Besides you could go to Flybe and earn 2/3 of the money trucking around on the q4 career killer as an FO ...but where will that get you ultimately?
Hiring FO' (or SO's) isn't causing any loss of sleep in the hangar. It's captains they are more concerned about although pretend that's in hand. When you all stop applying they'll start taking notice...and so the laws of demand and supply roll on.
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EZY has great people to work with, I totally agree on this point. The point I am making is that we can easily afford not having contractors, but offer permanent positions from the start to everyone who fits in our company with the same T&C. The recruitment should attract the very best candidates from variety of backgrounds rather than just relying one pool of people. With this policy eJ had made a quite good workforce in the past or not?
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Funded type rating?
I can see in Easyjet's jobs page, some captains vacancies. (Funded type rating)
Does this means Easy is funding it or are the candidates funding it?
Thank you.
Does this means Easy is funding it or are the candidates funding it?
Thank you.