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Old 15th Sep 2015, 14:05
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the point is that ever increasing numbers of people who want to pay to get to the front of the queue are changing the job completely.
Ever increasing numbers are required! The industry has trebled in size since 1990. Who are supposed to be crewing these aeroplanes? Even if the airlines were not (unreasonably) biased against experienced turboprop operators, there is a massive need for new blood.

Now, since the dawn of the industry little boys and girls have looked to the skies upon hearing the roar or aero-engines. Whilst back in 1960 or 1980 only a privileged few got the chance to follow in Daddy's footsteps, the opportunity is within the reach of many more youngsters.

Yes, it is very unfair that airlines are subsidising ticket prices with cuts to their training budgets, but to those keen to become commerical pilots in Europe there are almost no other options but to pay for a rating. But you cannot lay the blame at the feet of the new joiners. Given the choice, none of them would pay for a job.
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 06:52
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fish DEC Details

I have to admit that the idea of paying for a type-rating doesn't thrill me, but everybody has to make a decision relative to their own situation, and I have to make a decision that works for me in the long term. (looking forward, not back at the good old days).

Is easyJet a place you can stay for 10 years, many allude to rosters that will kill you, without quantifying - how many flight hours per year are typical please (LGW CAPT)? Approx how many days working and how many standby on FRV123?

And if cares to share... anybody who has been offered direct entry command at LGW... what's being offered? PPJN talks about new-joiners getting random rosters, but "once permanent"??? - Is it a fixed contract being offered to captains???

Thanks for any info.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 23:05
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DEC LGW is the onto the usual, perm, union agreed LGW contract just like any other skipper based there.

No flexi, no random roster, no base freeze as far as I know. You should be on 5453 from day 1. Other bases are a different story.

Hours depend on base. LGW is hard work. I'm in a regional and fly about 750 a year and feel quite OK most of the time.
Some long days for sure but also some lovely 2 sector trips where I am.
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Old 25th Sep 2015, 20:59
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Thanks Ecam
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 03:19
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Anyone done an assessment day for rated crew?

Is there a tech exam based on A320 series?

Do they do the old BA CRM test with a pile of Mechano , build a spaceship ?

Can post or PM me tks
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Old 26th Sep 2015, 16:35
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You're welcome.

If anything else, then by PM is best.
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Old 28th Sep 2015, 13:39
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Angel LGW roster

Be aware of a heavy LGW roster, especially in the summer combined with long parking time and crew absence. Fatigue is a big issue at the moment, and roster is definitely NOT long term sustainable with a 5-3-5-4 pattern at the table. BALPA is still in negotiations with regards to the new EASA FTL, but the company does not see any need for improvements.
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Old 2nd Oct 2015, 08:08
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Anyone find out what the Lisbon contract is like? Or would anyone working in EZ like to send me a PM? Much appreciated
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 07:07
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Anyone know anything about the hold pool with EZY? Is it like BAs that you can spend a year in before they tell you to re apply?
How many times can a sucessful candidate in the hold pool turn down an offer of employment before they kick you out ?
Any info appreciated
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Old 6th Oct 2015, 15:30
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H5,

Just out of interest, why would you decline a job offer if you were already in the hold pool? It's not like BA where you have the long haul/short haul option. The applications were for a specific base, so presumably you would've applied for that, and been offered the same?

Has anyone received an offer yet or maybe even started, that applied for DEC rated or non rated?

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Old 6th Oct 2015, 23:29
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737 Jockey.. I'd guess timing. Being in a hold pool works both ways. The majority of us have a life outside of work, and real world things come up. Things like weddings, birth of a child, holidays, bereavements are some obvious reasons as to why someone might delay being plucked out the pool. The list goes on, but it's unlikely those applying as a DEC are looking at the phone the whole time they're swimming only to answer it and decline a job for no reason.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 01:38
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737 Joc,
Many reasons why i would want to stay in the hold pool and select a time of joining with a long lead in time. Relocating ( in my case im Ex UK) , Finding suitable schools , finding a home, selling my current place.
Oh and theres the small matter ofthe 70% cut in take home pay, to work harder and for a company culture im not familiar with.

At the end of the day i can pick and choose. If it don't fit then i aint signing, Something that the modern day "value" airlines dont seem to get. They've had it way too good for way too long and treat pilots like commodities, are impersonal and with contempt.

I guess ill stay put n retire back to europe not working .
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 09:19
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This business of declining a job offer to stay in the hold pool I find very strange. At best you could drop out of the pool and at worst you wont be offered again. It's a chance few could risk taking if the job was really of interest to them in the first place. Another reason not to decline is that with hundreds of new recruits coming through the system continuously that puts you well down the seniority list delaying your prospects of promotion and transfers even further.

highfive, are you already employed by a LOCO or are you just repeating what you've heard? I appreciate it is all subjective and some bases are more popular for a variety of reasons: some personal and some operational but in all the years I've worked for easyJet I have never felt that I have been treated, 'like commodities, are impersonal and with contempt'. You work hard but the rewards are there. By the sound of your post it is definately not the place for you.

Have some of you thought that this doom and gloom could be to deter you and make other's chances more likely? Or by reducing the interest or number of applications they feel the offer may improve? You pay the price and take your chance. If you get the offer and choose to take it I don't think you'll be disappointed. Very few airlines are as stable as easyJet if security of employment is what you're looking for.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 09:33
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Stiglet very few airlines are as stable as easyJet I agree. But the job itself is relentless (and arguably tedious) beyond belief at Gatwick, just ask the new guys who've joined easy from other airlines as DEC, many of whom feel they've made the wrong decision.

Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed it here, there's a great bunch of people who make it more bearable but you simply cannot expect to be able to do this for the rest of a 30 year + career now. I'm less than one year in and I've already sussed this out, it is simply far too fatiguing. Balpa are currently in this fight with the company and it is one that simply MUST be won for the very future of this career.

All this is a comment on the industry nowadays rather than necessarily specific to easyJet I concede. But easyJet (with others) are at the forefront of it.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 10:59
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I'm sorry 'many' new DEC feel they've made the wrong decision; that is indeed unfortunate and regreatable. And I'm surprised that 1 yr in you are finding the job tedious, however that is the nature of the job; you make of it what you will. Hard work yes but tedious? Take a reality check of most other jobs and count your blessings Gatwick is undoubatably the workhorse of the company but if you aspire to live in the UK, south of the Thames it is, I believe, the best show in town. For those who desire transfers they will need to sit tight until the opportunity arises.

As for the sustainability of the roster and options that is something indeed all pilots in all airlines will be fighting for; the challenge is to improve our situation but not to the detriment of our company and because we are at the forefront of the industry it is arguably more challenging for us. I believe more options will become available making a 30 yr + career more viable. This industry is fickel when it comes to tickets sales and shareholder investment; the public are much more savvy these days and things can turn very quickly to put an airline out of favour. We are more stable than most but on the other hand we have further to fall.

BA, the company many aspire to for a variety of reasons have much of the same issues as us in SH and the benefits are not all necessarily one way; again 'it's horses for courses'. Not all who have jumped ship that way feel that their move was the right one in retrospect either.

Your first sentence of the second paragraph make it sound as if you are on the move; if so I wish you well for the future. The grass is not always greener and we mostly suffer the same issues regards rosters and the new EASA limitations as other airlines.

Many posts here appear to be without inside knowledge and I feel give a one sided impression of easyJet; some in my view appear to be showing some form of agenda. I just wanted to provide a balance to that by giving a view from someone who has flown for a number of companies, seen many ups and downs in the industry and been in easyJet for a considerable time.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 11:19
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I just meant tedious at LGW with regard to the persistent delays and perpetual shoddy handling, which leave you spending most days playing catch-up and apologising to passengers. What other bases are like in the UK I have no experience to comment on.

I have nothing against the company at all but there are major issues with Gatwick, which are only going to get worse as they try to plough more and more aircraft in there. It's a mess.

You're right, I'm out soon but only really because I have other long term goals. No complaints against the many I have worked with who have mostly been a pleasure to work with, as I said.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 17:32
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You can always take your own life into your hands and go part time. It's work life balance Pilots always demand, sometimes forgetting that the balance bit is the bank balance not always for the Company to fix.
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Old 8th Oct 2015, 19:05
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Stiglet, do you actual talk to your fellow colleagues sitting next to you? Indeed, many of our great Fos are leaving. Bless them. Even the ones who are ready to undertake command. Does it make commercially sense where we need them now the most with our huge expansion plans? They will be soon replaced by cheaper workforce: highly motivated but with huge loan to repay & willing to fly and accept everything. Is this how a seriously airline is run? The experience level will continue to drop further. Our DEC are getting slowly the idea of just being a numbers, ready to be squeezed out and thrown away. What about our Captains on long-term sickness due to fatigue? With long term damaging health effects. But what can you do, if you simply have no choice? The company will never recognize that investing more into people and providing viable roster can actually save substantial money.

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Old 9th Oct 2015, 08:19
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A strange question ezy320, which was most likely rhetorical, but yes I do actually talk to my colleagues.

Many of 'our great FO's' are staying as well; the one's who are leaving would always have looked elsewhere, and like Plastic787 probably have other long term goals. With the likes of BA recruiting now and offering LH now or in the future it makes sense for them to jump ship sooner rather than later. The LH dream of some is something easyJet cannot offer.

I don't know where you have heard about 'our huge expension plans' or what they consist of. The easyJet journey has been one of continued expansion which is now becoming more of a consolidation exercise. Our increasing pilot recruitment is down: in part to this consolidation and more options to go PT, as well as the lure of the likes of BA. For every FO or skipper we loose it is an opportunity for another FO or DEC to get a job or a step up the promotion ladder for those who stay so could arguably be viewed as a win-win.

Experience is something I do value highly but flying and operating an aircraft is not rocket science and these new recruits gain that experience very quickly in easyJet. The training inside and outside the airlines these days has changed and is excellent preparation for the job. What is wanted besides motivation and attitude is the desire for the job and this is demostrated one way or another by those leaving or joining.

So to those leaving, good luck and to those joining welcome. As Mr Angry implies your life is down to you to fix which is not necessarily leaving one company for the next. You do not join a company and get everything you want immediately; somtimes you have to wait for opportunities to arise such as LH, command or base.
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Old 9th Oct 2015, 08:48
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Good Morning

Could someone tell me some info on Ezy

I am 45 yrs old, looking at doing a Easa conversion, considerable wide body experience international ops. Have never flown a airbus.

Have a euro passport and wife is from Napoli.

If I were too get a easa conversion and a 320 type rating, what chance of joining ezy as a SFO 320 napoli base


Also what is the net take home pay for a SFO

cheers
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