Turkish Airlines THY working conditions - worse than announced?
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At a recent Turkish Airlines road show the pilot recruiter was asked about when u have to be in IST for your trip. Answer was no requirement... Only 1 hour 30 minutes for each flight.
Regarding sick, what I re all is you get paid wither 75 or 80 percent for long term sick if you follow procedures.
I get the distinct impression the wide body lifestyle is more relaxed than the narrow body.
I was told that the CEO recently stated there would be a pay rise for pilots coming soon because they are not receiving the applications and qualifications needed. It was also mentioned that this might be for expat pilots, which doesn't make a lot of sense... Should be all pilots
Just some of what I recall
Regarding sick, what I re all is you get paid wither 75 or 80 percent for long term sick if you follow procedures.
I get the distinct impression the wide body lifestyle is more relaxed than the narrow body.
I was told that the CEO recently stated there would be a pay rise for pilots coming soon because they are not receiving the applications and qualifications needed. It was also mentioned that this might be for expat pilots, which doesn't make a lot of sense... Should be all pilots
Just some of what I recall
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I see Sigma are still doing the impossible and trying to pass of the latest deal as something revolutionary. They quote "5 consecutive days off" as if THY are the only airline in the world to offer it. I get 7 and I'm based out of my home country.
Clowns. When will they learn?
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Maybe not... on the other hand, you may be viewing this as an Ex-PAT and THY really only care about "locals". The 20% seems to have kept the locals happy...they earn in Lira and spend in Lira..
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owww somebody is still drinking the cool aid. Just as a matter of interest what makes you think I’am not flying for the low cost trying to be flag carrier THY?
People do not listen to this fool, people are leaving en mass, and for the record I’am flying for THY.
The chief pilot send an e-mail to all the pilots that they are going to peg it to some mix of euro dollar and gold and pay after 6 months etc lot’s of promises and carrot on the stick me thinks.why because lot’s of promisses were made in the past none materialized.
enjoy your well spend money on the ng type-rating pumpkin
You made the comment below so Let me guess who does not work for THY?
I would say the articles is slightly biased. Sometime people mixed up their political/nation wise hates to the such articles. However, I heard from many Turkish pilot that fatigue is high. Working conditions are difficult compare to EU. Please do not forget that Austrian/Media/politicians somewhat have bad feelings about Turkish people or/and government in general which I can observe as Turkish living in EU. I also heard from people who attend THY Flight Academy selection that there are definitely backing to some candidates from intra-company even they dont deserve or have ability, for this reason one of my friend was mentioned that there might be even more incident happen in the future especially in THY. As article mentioned, ex-military pilots are big problem there. They have great experience and ability to fly but when it comes to CRM most of them under standards.
People do not listen to this fool, people are leaving en mass, and for the record I’am flying for THY.
The chief pilot send an e-mail to all the pilots that they are going to peg it to some mix of euro dollar and gold and pay after 6 months etc lot’s of promises and carrot on the stick me thinks.why because lot’s of promisses were made in the past none materialized.
enjoy your well spend money on the ng type-rating pumpkin
You made the comment below so Let me guess who does not work for THY?
I would say the articles is slightly biased. Sometime people mixed up their political/nation wise hates to the such articles. However, I heard from many Turkish pilot that fatigue is high. Working conditions are difficult compare to EU. Please do not forget that Austrian/Media/politicians somewhat have bad feelings about Turkish people or/and government in general which I can observe as Turkish living in EU. I also heard from people who attend THY Flight Academy selection that there are definitely backing to some candidates from intra-company even they dont deserve or have ability, for this reason one of my friend was mentioned that there might be even more incident happen in the future especially in THY. As article mentioned, ex-military pilots are big problem there. They have great experience and ability to fly but when it comes to CRM most of them under standards.
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Turkish wide body
Hi,
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training.
Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training.
Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
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Turn around ....
Hi,
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training.
Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training.
Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
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THY No 1 rule: Whatever you got in your contract, or as deal of earlier days, THY will turn it around and get approval by Union called Hava Is.
THY No 2 rule: At present only Hava Is is allowed to sign legal contracts, and Hava Is are 1% pilot or cabin crew and 99% truck drivers, ground staff, other labors.
THY No 3 rule: FTL does not exist, if deamed necesary, THY will isuue a new law and Turkish DGCA will approve, because Mr. E from A wants this airline in the air.
THY No.4 rule: We are Turkish, we don not need expats, we have our own nation, nobody is allowed to tell us any other possibilities how to deal with situations.
THY No.5 rule: Pilots can fly 25h per day.
By the way, this is a serious post.
THY No 2 rule: At present only Hava Is is allowed to sign legal contracts, and Hava Is are 1% pilot or cabin crew and 99% truck drivers, ground staff, other labors.
THY No 3 rule: FTL does not exist, if deamed necesary, THY will isuue a new law and Turkish DGCA will approve, because Mr. E from A wants this airline in the air.
THY No.4 rule: We are Turkish, we don not need expats, we have our own nation, nobody is allowed to tell us any other possibilities how to deal with situations.
THY No.5 rule: Pilots can fly 25h per day.
By the way, this is a serious post.
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RE: I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
Why? Are you interested to join? How many warnings does a man need?
RE How many days off :
By contract 3 weeks ON, 1 week OFF. Real life: 6 weeks ON 1 week OFF
REand, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
In earlier days, 1 day was respected to be for traveling
RE: Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
Welcome to the lottery. No info and no plan at all.
Guess:a company who is not able to help you within 8 years of experience, while the time you need help is between 5 pm to 9 am, and the planned hotel is unable or unwilling to accept you. What would this company help? Answewr: Nothing!
Guess more: If now, a complete airport structure with 50.000 labors is moving into an area, where only 5.000 habitants live, where hotels could provide 500 beds at max and the village can provide 200 homes at max, just guess how prices will rise and how this fantastic company will handle the new problems?
Pilots will continue to travel on their own by taxi needing 1h of drive.
RE: How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training
By contract you are not allowed to go home in your ON days, As said, they could put 2 periods together and nobody is able to do anything.
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RE: Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
Indeed! Be prepared to get many situations from anybody or nobody. You cannot tell, who is your friend. On top, do not talk against Mr E from A while your phone is on. If smartphone, while it is either on or if Offline, if your aps are online by wifi.
RE: It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
No published information. Just repetetive hot air from Chief pilot, telling the individual future is below the company futere. Rumors saying, no hard currency.
RE: Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros,
This is a complete lie !!! It was never, except Bonus month, this money !!
RE: while today it is more like 7000.
This is, what it was already before !!!
RE: Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
Dream on. If anybody or if there is a single person telling this, he will be slaughtered by pilots. Forget any high number. Just switch your mind on.
THY is Turkey. Turley is Mr E from A. Currency is down due to so many reasons belong to Mr E. Mr E is asking his people to distroy all US products.
Do you really believe, Mr E would approve salary payment in US?
Do you really believe, one of Turks greatest representitives of Mr E would pay in US?
Do you really believe, Mr E would approve a single payment in any other currency than his belioved Turk Lira?
RE: The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
You must know, that you are trash. They use you, they kick you in the trash bag when a single Turk is able to replace you.
The magic question you did not ask: How to survive?
RE: How to survive?
Never board an aircraft of THY. THY pilots believe, it is not a matter of if there will be a crash soon. The question is, will it happen this month ...
Why? Are you interested to join? How many warnings does a man need?
RE How many days off :
By contract 3 weeks ON, 1 week OFF. Real life: 6 weeks ON 1 week OFF
REand, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days.
In earlier days, 1 day was respected to be for traveling
RE: Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs.
Welcome to the lottery. No info and no plan at all.
Guess:a company who is not able to help you within 8 years of experience, while the time you need help is between 5 pm to 9 am, and the planned hotel is unable or unwilling to accept you. What would this company help? Answewr: Nothing!
Guess more: If now, a complete airport structure with 50.000 labors is moving into an area, where only 5.000 habitants live, where hotels could provide 500 beds at max and the village can provide 200 homes at max, just guess how prices will rise and how this fantastic company will handle the new problems?
Pilots will continue to travel on their own by taxi needing 1h of drive.
RE: How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training
By contract you are not allowed to go home in your ON days, As said, they could put 2 periods together and nobody is able to do anything.
.
RE: Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience.
Indeed! Be prepared to get many situations from anybody or nobody. You cannot tell, who is your friend. On top, do not talk against Mr E from A while your phone is on. If smartphone, while it is either on or if Offline, if your aps are online by wifi.
RE: It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that.
No published information. Just repetetive hot air from Chief pilot, telling the individual future is below the company futere. Rumors saying, no hard currency.
RE: Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros,
This is a complete lie !!! It was never, except Bonus month, this money !!
RE: while today it is more like 7000.
This is, what it was already before !!!
RE: Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more.
Dream on. If anybody or if there is a single person telling this, he will be slaughtered by pilots. Forget any high number. Just switch your mind on.
THY is Turkey. Turley is Mr E from A. Currency is down due to so many reasons belong to Mr E. Mr E is asking his people to distroy all US products.
Do you really believe, Mr E would approve salary payment in US?
Do you really believe, one of Turks greatest representitives of Mr E would pay in US?
Do you really believe, Mr E would approve a single payment in any other currency than his belioved Turk Lira?
RE: The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security.
You must know, that you are trash. They use you, they kick you in the trash bag when a single Turk is able to replace you.
The magic question you did not ask: How to survive?
RE: How to survive?
Never board an aircraft of THY. THY pilots believe, it is not a matter of if there will be a crash soon. The question is, will it happen this month ...