Turkish Airlines THY working conditions - worse than announced?
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Seriously!!! The pay rise was to advertise for new recruits so not for inflation!!
Did you get a company memo saying you would get a pay rise?i d say no...and what does your broker have anything to do with your situation?are you in contract agreement with them?STILL?I thought once you signed your contract,you were a THY airline employee.
Obviously you see it to cover inflation,you can also see it as to cover your hotel room having to be 12 hour before your flight for all I care.
Dont worry of my income
Did you get a company memo saying you would get a pay rise?i d say no...and what does your broker have anything to do with your situation?are you in contract agreement with them?STILL?I thought once you signed your contract,you were a THY airline employee.
Obviously you see it to cover inflation,you can also see it as to cover your hotel room having to be 12 hour before your flight for all I care.
Dont worry of my income
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There was no payrise to any current employees. The stated 20% payrise included the last rise for inflation PLUS 10 hours overtime (based on if you fly 80 hours).
In that respect it was a deceitful stretch of the facts.
TBH De Facto, your posts on this subject don't make much sense. I can't really work our what it is your trying to say. It's like you're arguing with your own points.
In that respect it was a deceitful stretch of the facts.
TBH De Facto, your posts on this subject don't make much sense. I can't really work our what it is your trying to say. It's like you're arguing with your own points.
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Regarding inflation..if you get paid in TL and your rent is in TL and you pay for shopping and services in TL, the exchange effects are isolated. The biggest beef seems to be for those wanting to FX exchange and send "home" cash..I live in Turkey because of the " inflation" in Europe!
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That's a fair and valid point Kirks.
Problem is most expats will send money home either for monthly expenses (If they commute each month) or even if they stay in Turkey, they will save for retirement in other countries (most, if not all). So inflation definitely impacts expats more directly.
Although, it does also affect people living in Turkey. Whilst not immediately affecting prices, there is admittedly a lag, but it does indeed affect the Shopping and Rental prices here. I've noticed prices increasing quite rapidly in the Markets and shops, and we all know the Landlords seek a 10% increase each year on rent as a standard policy. Some landlords will appreciate a good tenant and not increase that regular, but they do in general.
It's not uncommon here for cars to be sold for more than they were bought (In TL). That in itself is a great example of the "purchasing" power, or lack thereof, of the Turkish Currency.
Problem is most expats will send money home either for monthly expenses (If they commute each month) or even if they stay in Turkey, they will save for retirement in other countries (most, if not all). So inflation definitely impacts expats more directly.
Although, it does also affect people living in Turkey. Whilst not immediately affecting prices, there is admittedly a lag, but it does indeed affect the Shopping and Rental prices here. I've noticed prices increasing quite rapidly in the Markets and shops, and we all know the Landlords seek a 10% increase each year on rent as a standard policy. Some landlords will appreciate a good tenant and not increase that regular, but they do in general.
It's not uncommon here for cars to be sold for more than they were bought (In TL). That in itself is a great example of the "purchasing" power, or lack thereof, of the Turkish Currency.
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Must be my English....
Ill try it another way:
Please be honest.Basic salary and 3 month bonus included.
You signed for how much Lira?
How much are you getting now in Lira?
How much did the agency stated the basic was when you sent your application in TL.
How much do the agencies advert now for basic in TL?
Please stop walking around the bush and give factual numbers...the agency didnt advertise a pay rise adjusted for inflation since YOU signed.
Ill try it another way:
Please be honest.Basic salary and 3 month bonus included.
You signed for how much Lira?
How much are you getting now in Lira?
How much did the agency stated the basic was when you sent your application in TL.
How much do the agencies advert now for basic in TL?
Please stop walking around the bush and give factual numbers...the agency didnt advertise a pay rise adjusted for inflation since YOU signed.
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I joined 6 years ago. So WTF does that have to do with this recent "payrise"??
As you want to hear my salary from when i started (which has nothing to do with what we are talking about) From memory it was about 17000 TL per month plust bonus. So (once again from memory) the average would have been about 19000TL (again, its been a while so don't tie me down on specifics).
Now the average including bonus would be 29000 TL.
So by your logic, I guess I should be dancing in the streets as Ive had about a 50% payrise.
I'm not "walking around the bush" as you put it... I'd just like to know what the hell is your point. I still can't work out if you think its a good deal, or if you think THY is doing the dirty, by stating BS payrises.
Anyway, I think it's completely out of order for the Agencies/THY to be advertising these increased salary terms. I mean, they could in effect say there's been a 50% payrise in my case
As you want to hear my salary from when i started (which has nothing to do with what we are talking about) From memory it was about 17000 TL per month plust bonus. So (once again from memory) the average would have been about 19000TL (again, its been a while so don't tie me down on specifics).
Now the average including bonus would be 29000 TL.
So by your logic, I guess I should be dancing in the streets as Ive had about a 50% payrise.
I'm not "walking around the bush" as you put it... I'd just like to know what the hell is your point. I still can't work out if you think its a good deal, or if you think THY is doing the dirty, by stating BS payrises.
Anyway, I think it's completely out of order for the Agencies/THY to be advertising these increased salary terms. I mean, they could in effect say there's been a 50% payrise in my case
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Well if the agencies were advertising a salary that was 6 years old,you would understand the Airline wants to update its terms since the last one no?
If they were still advertising 18000 TL basic and now pilots are making more because of internal salary increase,(some inflation adjustment )I get it why they told the agencies to update the offered pay.
If the 20 % is not correct then the agency should have caught it since they know the difference between the last and new pay.
Now they may have turned a blind eye to get more CV in...but in any case as long as THY didnt tell you that they will rise your salary as direct employee by 20% by next month and then dont,i dont see the problem.
Pilots who join now have the "new contract term" which is your actual terms as a current employee.
No?
If they were still advertising 18000 TL basic and now pilots are making more because of internal salary increase,(some inflation adjustment )I get it why they told the agencies to update the offered pay.
If the 20 % is not correct then the agency should have caught it since they know the difference between the last and new pay.
Now they may have turned a blind eye to get more CV in...but in any case as long as THY didnt tell you that they will rise your salary as direct employee by 20% by next month and then dont,i dont see the problem.
Pilots who join now have the "new contract term" which is your actual terms as a current employee.
No?
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Can anyone direct me to an ad claiming 20 percent pay rise? I find many with "improved terms" but not specific . Also 10k euro with loss of licence and medical plus star alliance perks is above average as a base for a narrow body, or do you think you are worth more? After all you retain 95 percent of salary.. Some deluded souls out there me thinks
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I fail to see the 20%( or even 16.7%, more accurately, in TL) pay rise for new joiners! If this bloke would have had a job offer 3 years ago with 18000TL he most probably would have converted this amount to his local currency( in order to make a balanced decision) and this amount would at that time buy you 10.000,-USD. And NOW this very same agency sends this very same bloke "the improved" conditions with this so called pay rise to 21.000TL job offer. Now pls explain to me why this very same guy now would take on this job if he rejected the previous offer!? because the increased conditions now buys you 7800,- USD roughly. So de facto be my guest,.. all yours. And for once I agree with porkflyer , can't believe I am writing this.
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Avenger:
Here is an email sent to me from Sigma (they obviously disn't know I am employed here):
As far as I'm concerned, this is an outright lie. Not even stretching the truth, but completely deceitful.
I replied calling their offer fraudulent, and they of course directed blame to THY saying that's what they were told. This was the reply:
I'd love to hear that reasonable explanation.
Simple fact folks... they think Pilots are complete idiots and will maybe not realise there's been no pay rise!
Disgusting, condescending and a true reflection of how we are perceived by some of the management.
No matter how much you polish a turd......
Here is an email sent to me from Sigma (they obviously disn't know I am employed here):
I am delighted to announce that Turkish Airlines have increased their Salary!!
This new GENEROUS salary for Captains will be as follows;
Details are included in the attached job spec but comprise of an approximate 20% increase
These new terms are applicable immediately!
This new GENEROUS salary for Captains will be as follows;
Details are included in the attached job spec but comprise of an approximate 20% increase
These new terms are applicable immediately!
I replied calling their offer fraudulent, and they of course directed blame to THY saying that's what they were told. This was the reply:
This is not mis-leading nor is this fraudulent.
A few pilots I previously placed with THY have been in contact informing me that they did not receive an increase in their latest salary over this weekend so I have been in contact with THY to advise this. I am sure there is a reasonable explanation in any case.
A few pilots I previously placed with THY have been in contact informing me that they did not receive an increase in their latest salary over this weekend so I have been in contact with THY to advise this. I am sure there is a reasonable explanation in any case.
Simple fact folks... they think Pilots are complete idiots and will maybe not realise there's been no pay rise!
Disgusting, condescending and a true reflection of how we are perceived by some of the management.
No matter how much you polish a turd......
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Now pls explain to me why this very same guy now would take on this job if he rejected the previous offer!? because the increased conditions now buys you 7800,- USD roughly.
Shows a lot,Sigma emails him when they should already have him in their database as working there,and communicated him info that was supposed to lure new candidates and not to give him hope of a one off salary increase..
Just later to admit it was just hearsay.
6 years since hes been there....cant be that bad after all.
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Sigma was not my Broker. I used them for another Job Offer many years ago so must be in their data base.
Yes, I've been here 6 years. No it's not bad for me personally. I'm generally happy. However, as the Lira continues to devalue, and my raises aren't keeping pace I am concerned.
It's one thing to not want to come here, and if I had a steady job elsewhere I probably wouldn't come either. But to up and leave to join another company doesn't make sense to me in my current situation.
My main gripe is the BS the company have put out there in the market regarding a pay rise that hasn't happened. I want newcomers to come here forewarned. If it still suits you after all the information has been processed, then cool, it's a personal decision.
Do you read any previous posts?
About 25500 TL (but you always get the bonus, so not much point ignoring that)
Yes, I've been here 6 years. No it's not bad for me personally. I'm generally happy. However, as the Lira continues to devalue, and my raises aren't keeping pace I am concerned.
It's one thing to not want to come here, and if I had a steady job elsewhere I probably wouldn't come either. But to up and leave to join another company doesn't make sense to me in my current situation.
My main gripe is the BS the company have put out there in the market regarding a pay rise that hasn't happened. I want newcomers to come here forewarned. If it still suits you after all the information has been processed, then cool, it's a personal decision.
Anyone can give a simple answer to a simple question please? What is the basic salary (gross) without the 3 months bonus and any other extra.....in Lira? Then each of us can exchange it into own local currency. Much obliged.
About 25500 TL (but you always get the bonus, so not much point ignoring that)
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This was my post. All of 6 posts back .... Too far back for you?
It's all there for you so you don't have to tire yourself out anymore with the back button.
Yes, I have been reading hundreds of posts but the kind of straight answer I was looking for is the one from defacto
I joined 6 years ago. So WTF does that have to do with this recent "payrise"??
As you want to hear my salary from when i started (which has nothing to do with what we are talking about) From memory it was about 17000 TL per month plust bonus. So (once again from memory) the average would have been about 19000TL (again, its been a while so don't tie me down on specifics).
Now the average including bonus would be 29000 TL.
So by your logic, I guess I should be dancing in the streets as Ive had about a 50% payrise.
I'm not "walking around the bush" as you put it... I'd just like to know what the hell is your point. I still can't work out if you think its a good deal, or if you think THY is doing the dirty, by stating BS payrises.
Anyway, I think it's completely out of order for the Agencies/THY to be advertising these increased salary terms. I mean, they could in effect say there's been a 50% payrise in my case
As you want to hear my salary from when i started (which has nothing to do with what we are talking about) From memory it was about 17000 TL per month plust bonus. So (once again from memory) the average would have been about 19000TL (again, its been a while so don't tie me down on specifics).
Now the average including bonus would be 29000 TL.
So by your logic, I guess I should be dancing in the streets as Ive had about a 50% payrise.
I'm not "walking around the bush" as you put it... I'd just like to know what the hell is your point. I still can't work out if you think its a good deal, or if you think THY is doing the dirty, by stating BS payrises.
Anyway, I think it's completely out of order for the Agencies/THY to be advertising these increased salary terms. I mean, they could in effect say there's been a 50% payrise in my case
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Seriously! The same questions over and over. @Twenty... don't bother keep explaining this. It's obviously falling on deaf ears.
How many times do you need to be told how much the salary is, and that there has been no pay rise. Read a few pages for christ sake and see it all there. The same #### hashed over and over.
Join or don't.
How many times do you need to be told how much the salary is, and that there has been no pay rise. Read a few pages for christ sake and see it all there. The same #### hashed over and over.
Join or don't.
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Now that is the point, when you go somewhere , anywhere for that matter and you get what's on offer . THAT"s cool period. No moaning.30N30W you will get a warm welcome for sure
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Furbpilot,
I guess I did not express myself correctly for you to have the impression that I am somehow trying to sell a package as something exceptional.
(I am not even in such a position, I am just sharing info from friends from there).
For starters the package what I know of is below industry minimums.
I merely responded to 30N30W , If he knows the deal, that the promised package includes overtime/weekend pay etc. etc. so the projected pay appears to be better than it actually is and he goes for it ...
I guess I did not express myself correctly for you to have the impression that I am somehow trying to sell a package as something exceptional.
(I am not even in such a position, I am just sharing info from friends from there).
For starters the package what I know of is below industry minimums.
I merely responded to 30N30W , If he knows the deal, that the promised package includes overtime/weekend pay etc. etc. so the projected pay appears to be better than it actually is and he goes for it ...