Turkish Airlines THY working conditions - worse than announced?
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So what? I don't see the significance of this? THY, like any airline with ambitious expansion plans, needs pilots. Whilst their package may be 'last resort' stuff to the westerner it may not be so bad to others? I have no experience of THY and I'm making general assumptions based by what is said here on pprune. That's always quite dangerous. In the last 12 months I have 'learned' that I should avoid THY like the plague, Emirates will work you to death, Cathy Pacific are third rate yet Qatar have got their act together and Ryanair are now worth considering. One man's paradise is another man's nightmare and all that!!
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What's truly shocking is that THY now plans to hire 50 Dutch, German and Americans, and Iranians.
I'm confused by the statement. THY advertise for pilots. They do not specify the nationality only the licence & experience. Suitable pilots apply and are hired. Where does the 'Plan ' for certain nationalities come into it?
I'm confused by the statement. THY advertise for pilots. They do not specify the nationality only the licence & experience. Suitable pilots apply and are hired. Where does the 'Plan ' for certain nationalities come into it?
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Porkie :
this is about the funniest thing you have posted thus far.... No prejudice ..hahaha ... needed a laugh.. like 90% of your past post im sure your where replying with an "open mind"... an other thing the 160 B*ll**it figure wake up or change your sources of "credible" information... you been literally ranting on about a mass exodus ever since THY starting employing ex-pats... yes there is an attrition rate like most carriers operating within this region of the world but no where near as what your rumouring it to be...
yes some are due company issues ie, the rostering issues on the narrow body and our best friends the beloved crew planning .. yet other reasons that are beyond the control of THY such as the Turkish Lira fluctuations...
you also ranted out THY will never start upgrading ex pats.. wake up there are example from the 737 fleet, though it may not be the amount we would like to see....nevertheless it is happening and change does take TIME...
as simple as it may sound .. we are professionals... if we find a better opportunity to suit our lifestyle (money, family, location ambitions etc).. then we leave and take advantage of it ..if not then stay and make the most of it....
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well for starters
how about airman that have been operating under limited resources (hardware, software and legislation mostly due to international politics and embargoes) and still manage to stay relatively safe..
how about these guys still operating a majority on Conventional aircraft in rugged mountainous terrain who have way more hands on flying than the majority of modern day automated driven crews..
but im sure you have flown extensively in Iran and worked with these so called "less capable pilots".....
seriously you say with no prejudiced yet your remarks are hypocritical...
tonker:
yes unfortunately that has been the trend for the last 10-15 years and it was bound to catch the legacy carriers sooner or later... unless low cost terms improve and this P2F and self sponsored Type rating business ends, the trend will continue....
STEXUP:
excuse me, what da hell makes you ssooooo superior mate.. im sure with your "Ethnic" background you may have the impression you are the centre of the aviation universe.. wake up open your eyes every culture and regions have there advantages and idiosyncrasies but all can contribute to industry in a positive manner. ... yes they come from a developing country (mostly due to the crippling embargo placed upon them due to political reasons) but in no way are they classed as third world people...
Globally Challenged:
If the pax did care enough then they would reconsider flying with Ryan Air and others alike... unfortunately if you can offer a seat cheap enough then you will fill it regardless.. as majority of travellers have goldfish memory syndrome beyond network and pricing..
Kirks gusset:
Hollyyy crap... they are going to hire westerners hehehehe
cant wait on the new threads regarding this topic
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hehehehe
as twentyyearstoolate have rightfully posted, where they come from is of no significance, as longs as they have the right mindset , CRM, capabilities, abilities and professionalism then one would NOT hesitate to fly with whom are either from a Eastern or Western orientated background...
I personally have a few very good Iranian friends that i flew with in during my stint with previous employers and i have say that I have had no issues nor was i ever reluctant to fly with them as a professional...
lets not jump the gun and become judgemental about individuals or their background and make the topic cantered on a racial context as i thinks its unfair and unethical as a person and a professional...
Whilst I have no prejudice I just wonder
yes some are due company issues ie, the rostering issues on the narrow body and our best friends the beloved crew planning .. yet other reasons that are beyond the control of THY such as the Turkish Lira fluctuations...
you also ranted out THY will never start upgrading ex pats.. wake up there are example from the 737 fleet, though it may not be the amount we would like to see....nevertheless it is happening and change does take TIME...
as simple as it may sound .. we are professionals... if we find a better opportunity to suit our lifestyle (money, family, location ambitions etc).. then we leave and take advantage of it ..if not then stay and make the most of it....
which kind of international experience will they bring in as an asset
well for starters
how about airman that have been operating under limited resources (hardware, software and legislation mostly due to international politics and embargoes) and still manage to stay relatively safe..
how about these guys still operating a majority on Conventional aircraft in rugged mountainous terrain who have way more hands on flying than the majority of modern day automated driven crews..
but im sure you have flown extensively in Iran and worked with these so called "less capable pilots".....
seriously you say with no prejudiced yet your remarks are hypocritical...
tonker:
diminishing t&cs
STEXUP:
third world pilot
Globally Challenged:
only care about the ticket price / city pairs
Kirks gusset:
Hollyyy crap... they are going to hire westerners hehehehe
cant wait on the new threads regarding this topic
)) heheheheas twentyyearstoolate have rightfully posted, where they come from is of no significance, as longs as they have the right mindset , CRM, capabilities, abilities and professionalism then one would NOT hesitate to fly with whom are either from a Eastern or Western orientated background...
I personally have a few very good Iranian friends that i flew with in during my stint with previous employers and i have say that I have had no issues nor was i ever reluctant to fly with them as a professional...
lets not jump the gun and become judgemental about individuals or their background and make the topic cantered on a racial context as i thinks its unfair and unethical as a person and a professional...
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I think the point is that Ryanair training is top notch as far as I know. Iran Air I think is reasonable to have at least a doubt regardless of racial, ethnic or other implications. I remember a carrier hiring a mass of subcontinent pilots to find out most their logbooks where fake. It is undeniable that are a lot of possible implication either you like or not. But as many say with a bit of luck even my grand could fly nowadays. My self I'm definetely not lucky and I'm forced to strive to try to be good...unfortunately.😃
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Long long time I don't visit PPrune just to find out I'm been banned on the ME forum. Truth hurts apparently.
De Facto are you honestly trying to convince us that Turkish and Russian pilot are fluent English speakers? Sure they are well known for that by ATC all over the world.As said I was a bit busy playing golf in recent months but from what I read I see delusion is still running high, pilots are still running away and the country is running every day deeper into chaos..as predicted. Common sense and many other desirable virtues way to often do not belong to the people in charge there..quite the opposite.. Gladly I'm so far, far, far away form the Best European Airline and I don't envy any one of you still there....enjoy.
De Facto are you honestly trying to convince us that Turkish and Russian pilot are fluent English speakers? Sure they are well known for that by ATC all over the world.As said I was a bit busy playing golf in recent months but from what I read I see delusion is still running high, pilots are still running away and the country is running every day deeper into chaos..as predicted. Common sense and many other desirable virtues way to often do not belong to the people in charge there..quite the opposite.. Gladly I'm so far, far, far away form the Best European Airline and I don't envy any one of you still there....enjoy.
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Yabnacy(i) pilot,
Considering you seem to hate THY so much, and have long since departed to be blissfully happy at the "low cost end of the market", I am curious why the vast majority, if not all, your posts relate to THY and not in support of your " new company" ? or do you feel an overwhelming sense of duty to educate the masses as to life in Turkey compared with playing golf in a car park at Stansted or even worse working for the red tampax operation in one of the temporary Spanish bases
Considering you seem to hate THY so much, and have long since departed to be blissfully happy at the "low cost end of the market", I am curious why the vast majority, if not all, your posts relate to THY and not in support of your " new company" ? or do you feel an overwhelming sense of duty to educate the masses as to life in Turkey compared with playing golf in a car park at Stansted or even worse working for the red tampax operation in one of the temporary Spanish bases
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The low cost end of the of the market ah ah ah!! My life quality and expectancy skyrocketed after leaving your " legacy" carrier ( may be better not to have such legacy ?) and the "suicide squadron" .The TL has halved in value since I was there and Turkey pays average salaries one third than Europe in case you did not realize yet my friend.. Wake up.. THY is the real low cost. Your accolades are just government money on advertisement and food. Better "low cost" than low quality.
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Many expat THY B737 skippers are screening with my present employer "the" EU low cost operator
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Price of diesel fuel ??
Wot is the cost of a liter of diesel fuel in Turkey ??
I was tinkin of cummutin from Jerryland. One liter is 1.1 Euros and sinkin fast for de expats!
If yer got die receipts, then it's below one Euro per Ltr und mine V40 does nearly 60 mpg if I follow the trucks from MUN to Istanbul.
Google Eart and keyboard cleaner next!
I was tinkin of cummutin from Jerryland. One liter is 1.1 Euros and sinkin fast for de expats!
If yer got die receipts, then it's below one Euro per Ltr und mine V40 does nearly 60 mpg if I follow the trucks from MUN to Istanbul.
Google Eart and keyboard cleaner next!
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For some people it's a heaven for another part is a real hell, it's the same in any airline in the world! A single pilot can't change the system, it's easier to leave and be patient!
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A single pilot can do more than rock the wings, he can rock an airline by starting a union. Umm, so what shall we call it ??
The TPC (Turkey Pilots Club) perhaps!
The TPC (Turkey Pilots Club) perhaps!