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Would a LGW based Norwegian 787 pilot, confirm the rumor that 20 or more of Norwegian’s LGW based 787 pilots, have very recently tendered their resignations, and that Virgin may be paying the collective balance of their type rating indentured bond?
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ssible-405245/
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/gb/en...ience/787.html
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ssible-405245/
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/gb/en...ience/787.html
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Direct. It was about 25 with VS maybe needing 20 to 40 more! I don't know with the Brexit thing if they might rethink the next batch!
VS didn't pay any of the bonds off. But with the prospect of being away for 20 days in and out of Scandinavia in your future I would think Virgin LHR base an offer you couldn't turn down.
VS didn't pay any of the bonds off. But with the prospect of being away for 20 days in and out of Scandinavia in your future I would think Virgin LHR base an offer you couldn't turn down.
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"Reap what you sew" " Chickens coming home to roost" "What goes around comes around" "Karma Sucks" and no doubt many other other well worn phrases come to mind . . . . . . . So sad for the gnarled old RedNose 
hopefully just the beginning of their woes as they pay the price for attempting to rape the worlds long-haul pilots . . . . .
hopefully just the beginning of their woes as they pay the price for attempting to rape the worlds long-haul pilots . . . . .
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Can anyone working for Norwegian on the 787 please send me a PM. I have a start date and have one or two small questions if any one would be kind enough to answer them. Thanks in advance
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You may wish to reconsider your decision.
A filing was made yesterday, that following the result of the UK EU membership referendum;
“[The] DOT should suspend processing of Norwegian Air UK’s [NAUK] application until the post-exit regulatory structure that will pertain to the grant of operating authorizations to UK carriers is determined”.
In a second filing, relating to Norwegian Air International (NAI):
"For the reasons set forth above, and in our prior pleadings, DOT should reverse its tentative conclusion that NAI should be issued a foreign air carrier permit".
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2015-0261-0025
Additionally, former Deputy DOT Secretary, John Porcari, made a public statement regarding Norwegian’s US permit application;
“NAI is requesting to launch a complex international airline operation that at its core challenges explicit provisions of the agreement [Open Skies], in particular those specifically designed to protect high labor standards for crews on both sides of the Atlantic”.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-d-porcari/setting-the-record-straig_b_10704160.html
“This article [Article 17] unambiguously sets out a clear commitment to protect against air services that “undermine” labor standards and the labor related rights and principles contained in the parties respective laws”.
Norwegian can “return” pilots and cabin crew to their agency employer without notice, reason or recourse. Any notice period is with the agency employer, not Norwegian.
Chickens, home, roost.
A filing was made yesterday, that following the result of the UK EU membership referendum;
“[The] DOT should suspend processing of Norwegian Air UK’s [NAUK] application until the post-exit regulatory structure that will pertain to the grant of operating authorizations to UK carriers is determined”.
In a second filing, relating to Norwegian Air International (NAI):
"For the reasons set forth above, and in our prior pleadings, DOT should reverse its tentative conclusion that NAI should be issued a foreign air carrier permit".
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2015-0261-0025
Additionally, former Deputy DOT Secretary, John Porcari, made a public statement regarding Norwegian’s US permit application;
“NAI is requesting to launch a complex international airline operation that at its core challenges explicit provisions of the agreement [Open Skies], in particular those specifically designed to protect high labor standards for crews on both sides of the Atlantic”.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-d-porcari/setting-the-record-straig_b_10704160.html
“This article [Article 17] unambiguously sets out a clear commitment to protect against air services that “undermine” labor standards and the labor related rights and principles contained in the parties respective laws”.
Norwegian can “return” pilots and cabin crew to their agency employer without notice, reason or recourse. Any notice period is with the agency employer, not Norwegian.
Chickens, home, roost.
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The US DOT has issued an ‘Order Dismissing Exemption’ of the Norwegian Air UK application. The Order states:
“In these circumstances, the Department does not find that the grant of a temporary exemption to Norwegian UK is appropriate or in the public interest”
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2015-0261-0027
The Seattle Times, previously reporting on the Boeing workers union, International Association of Machinists (IAM), opposition to Norwegian, reports;
“U.S. delivers blow to Norwegian’s expansion plans”
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/us-delivers-blow-to-norwegian-airs-expansion-plans/
The disappointing news has also been reported in the Norway media:
“Brexit can give Norwegian more license trouble in the US”
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/brexit-kan-gi-norwegian-mer-lisens-trobbel-i-usa/60260069
“In these circumstances, the Department does not find that the grant of a temporary exemption to Norwegian UK is appropriate or in the public interest”
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2015-0261-0027
The Seattle Times, previously reporting on the Boeing workers union, International Association of Machinists (IAM), opposition to Norwegian, reports;
“U.S. delivers blow to Norwegian’s expansion plans”
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/us-delivers-blow-to-norwegian-airs-expansion-plans/
The disappointing news has also been reported in the Norway media:
“Brexit can give Norwegian more license trouble in the US”
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/brexit-kan-gi-norwegian-mer-lisens-trobbel-i-usa/60260069
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It is unfortunately the truth. I will never understand pilots moaning at people who are telling like it is. I don't work for the long haul, but I have experience of the short haul. If I had any idea of what that place was really like 3 years ago, I would never have joined.
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Potty Noodle Horn;
Apparently, you are distressed after news of yet another rejection of Norwegian’s abhorrent labor model. Perhaps you can provide a substantive rebuttal in their support. However, you may wish to review one of your previous efforts on this thread (#184), copied and pasted below;
Apparently, you are distressed after news of yet another rejection of Norwegian’s abhorrent labor model. Perhaps you can provide a substantive rebuttal in their support. However, you may wish to review one of your previous efforts on this thread (#184), copied and pasted below;
So I'm in the same situation, I have the opportunity to fly the78 with NAS ....
Positives- good type rating and wide body experience
Negatives - lack of days off
Paycut
Bond
Upgrade time from RCA to 'full' cpt
Mmmmm decisions decisions
Positives- good type rating and wide body experience
Negatives - lack of days off
Paycut
Bond
Upgrade time from RCA to 'full' cpt
Mmmmm decisions decisions
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POT NOODLE HORN , it is precisely because the industry has too many little "can do" people unable to see beyond their own sphincter that NAS long haul, & the industry in general , is in the mess it is in.
If you take the trouble to read DB's posts you will see that he has documented an ongoing deterioration in this industry & a (fortunately ) ongoing realisation by the authorities that what is being proposed is not in the spirit of the original agreement with respect to labour/employment standards.
Just because you have managed to accept the pool of venom you are floating around in, doesn't mean that others don't find it abhorrent, & therefore do their best to ensure those contemplating it are aware of what they are letting themselves in for . . . in years to come you may look back on your choice, & your failure to fight for better, & reconsider the long term implications of your apparent apathy.
If you take the trouble to read DB's posts you will see that he has documented an ongoing deterioration in this industry & a (fortunately ) ongoing realisation by the authorities that what is being proposed is not in the spirit of the original agreement with respect to labour/employment standards.
Just because you have managed to accept the pool of venom you are floating around in, doesn't mean that others don't find it abhorrent, & therefore do their best to ensure those contemplating it are aware of what they are letting themselves in for . . . in years to come you may look back on your choice, & your failure to fight for better, & reconsider the long term implications of your apparent apathy.
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And so ....
Playstation,
I agree with you that it was MY choice to work for NAS LH and I 100% new the situation I was getting into, however my feeling is that this industry died a long time ago and shows no sign or an upwards turn, you might think that my outlook is a little bleake but that's my view.
@DB - you are right, I made the decision to join LH after a lot of thought, however bad it gets there, rosters organization etc I accept the decision I made and don't moan and cry about it or constantly post on here about the ongoing DOT 'problems'
It's a job and for that I'm grateful, there are many out there that I'm sure would like to have my seat !!
I agree with you that it was MY choice to work for NAS LH and I 100% new the situation I was getting into, however my feeling is that this industry died a long time ago and shows no sign or an upwards turn, you might think that my outlook is a little bleake but that's my view.
@DB - you are right, I made the decision to join LH after a lot of thought, however bad it gets there, rosters organization etc I accept the decision I made and don't moan and cry about it or constantly post on here about the ongoing DOT 'problems'
It's a job and for that I'm grateful, there are many out there that I'm sure would like to have my seat !!
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Personally I wouldn't class the fact they state the facts as they see them as moaning. In fact if no one started to complain or highlight the things that are going on, things would never improve. In my opinion, that is exactly what companies want. They want their employees to be passive and to think that they can't change anything so there is no point in 'moaning'.
It is a job, and I would rather be employed than unemployed, but that doesn't mean I don't think people should talk about the issues. In my opinion one of the reasons that this industry is so awful is people just accept stuff, because it's better than being unemployed.
It is a job, and I would rather be employed than unemployed, but that doesn't mean I don't think people should talk about the issues. In my opinion one of the reasons that this industry is so awful is people just accept stuff, because it's better than being unemployed.
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Max
I understand your point and maybe my choice of the word 'moaning' wasn't my best, and I don't begrudge people discussing work issues, contracts, rosters and so on, but there has to come a time when one excepts the state of our industry.
I would fight to the bitter end for a 'Norwegian' contract as I was promised many years ago, but unfortunately the reality is I don't think it'll ever happen how ever hard we and BALPA stamp our feet.
I understand your point and maybe my choice of the word 'moaning' wasn't my best, and I don't begrudge people discussing work issues, contracts, rosters and so on, but there has to come a time when one excepts the state of our industry.
I would fight to the bitter end for a 'Norwegian' contract as I was promised many years ago, but unfortunately the reality is I don't think it'll ever happen how ever hard we and BALPA stamp our feet.
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I can understand your point of view, but I can't totally agree with it unfortunately. But one thing I can agree on is how we have both been lied to regarding employment etc, regardless of long or short haul.
I have to agree I don't think much will change either, but I will keep banging my feet though.
I have to agree I don't think much will change either, but I will keep banging my feet though.
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PNH. If the whole industry was in the place that Norwegian want to take it then you would have a point. But it isn't and accepting that it will be is a massive mistake.
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I am grateful that DB keeps the audience here up to date on what seems to be going on within Norwegian. It gives candidates a better understanding to make their employment choice.
Only steady drops crack the rock. Keep it up DB, it is important.
Only steady drops crack the rock. Keep it up DB, it is important.
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Norwegian upcoming interview
If anyone has attended a recent interview/sim with norwegian i would be very grateful if you could give me a heads up on whats involved.
Many thanks in anticipation
Many thanks in anticipation