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I doubt anyone is really interested about why they are "obsessed". It's not particularly useful information and is irrelevant to the thread.
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and we are still waiting............. No rebuttal of the points made. Just an attack on those making them. I have absolutely no vested interest at this point (past or present) in NAS but I do worry about their impact on the rest of the industry so I am interested in the "defence".
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Chesty Morgan, useful or not, I feel I have to post, if for no other reason than to wake the feckwits up that are willing to sign for the woeful terms on offer. . . for the avoidance of doubt, this is a wide body/longhaul Command paying EuroLoCo (or less) conditions, don't these guys need to be reminded to wake up ? I think they do . . . . and, we won't even mention all the other niceties of the NLH/NAS/OSM/NAI operation, for the 787, the package offered tells you all you need to know. . . . .
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Norwegian LH will provide a flight too and from the interviews. Wether you are US Europe or out East , they will get you on a flight that suits you. You dont even have to return to the point of departure.
Everything else you pay for, but not the simulator lol.
ps before anyone PMs me , I did not attent the assesment in Oslo, don't need to spend 20 days away each month. Enjoy.
Everything else you pay for, but not the simulator lol.
ps before anyone PMs me , I did not attent the assesment in Oslo, don't need to spend 20 days away each month. Enjoy.
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Did you actually read post #642, or that was too much effort before sticking your oar in again. . . . join if you wish, good luck with it, I will take great pleasure in saying "told you so" when you discover what you have gotten yourself into, or maybe you will "fit" just fine . . . . a certain "type" seems to. . . . . . all depends on the handshake, it seems 
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CaptPS, for clarity I believe the information you post is useful and, I'm sure, is appreciated by most people who read it.
What I think isn't useful is the answer to crossbones' question of why you are "obsessed". It should be obvious to most of us with basic reading ability why you post and you shouldn't need to explain yourself.
It wasn't a dig at you.
What I think isn't useful is the answer to crossbones' question of why you are "obsessed". It should be obvious to most of us with basic reading ability why you post and you shouldn't need to explain yourself.
It wasn't a dig at you.
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Google translated from a Swedish pilot forum
"In Norwegian Longhaul there was taken an initiative just over a year ago to start a pilot association, NLHPA. 2/3 of pilots joined and the intention was to NLHPA would convey the views of pilots for the next move to OSM contracts.
Three pilots volunteered to represent NLHPA in this discussion. Parties, OSM, NLH and NLHPA met once, and there were NLHPA know that it had any bargaining and thus could meeting ends almost immediately. OSM contract and its terms were dictated by Norwegian and was not negotiable. Take it or leave it.
Officially there is freedom of association in NLH but the truth is quite different.
Of the three pilots who were selected to represent their colleagues, two of them a week ago received an email by management explaining that their 3-year contract which expires at the end of 2016 will not be renewed. The third representative stopped by the free will of a job at Virgin. Reason for this early notification was in accordance with the line that you want to give them plenty of time to find a new employer. Very thoughtful.
A pure coincidence that their contract is not renewed? Three experienced pilots out of the door while NLH struggling to find qualified pilots for future expansion. Hardly!!
There is no doubt that NLH in this way wants to make an example for the other pilots. Legally or may not judge someone else but it is quite clear that NLH trying to screw the clock back to the 1920s.
The development is frightening and affects us all. Where the aircraft is coming when no longer dare express deficiencies or report, I do not think about.
Flights safe! "
"In Norwegian Longhaul there was taken an initiative just over a year ago to start a pilot association, NLHPA. 2/3 of pilots joined and the intention was to NLHPA would convey the views of pilots for the next move to OSM contracts.
Three pilots volunteered to represent NLHPA in this discussion. Parties, OSM, NLH and NLHPA met once, and there were NLHPA know that it had any bargaining and thus could meeting ends almost immediately. OSM contract and its terms were dictated by Norwegian and was not negotiable. Take it or leave it.
Officially there is freedom of association in NLH but the truth is quite different.
Of the three pilots who were selected to represent their colleagues, two of them a week ago received an email by management explaining that their 3-year contract which expires at the end of 2016 will not be renewed. The third representative stopped by the free will of a job at Virgin. Reason for this early notification was in accordance with the line that you want to give them plenty of time to find a new employer. Very thoughtful.
A pure coincidence that their contract is not renewed? Three experienced pilots out of the door while NLH struggling to find qualified pilots for future expansion. Hardly!!
There is no doubt that NLH in this way wants to make an example for the other pilots. Legally or may not judge someone else but it is quite clear that NLH trying to screw the clock back to the 1920s.
The development is frightening and affects us all. Where the aircraft is coming when no longer dare express deficiencies or report, I do not think about.
Flights safe! "
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Crossbones, if you look through Captplaystations past, you'll see he has been very objective and balanced about not only Norwegian but also other past employers, posting up factual, balanced and detailed information while most others have posted far more emotionally. There is no obsession with Norwegian. So, that begs the question, why are you so obsessed with attacking him?
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I think the thing is, people who are bitter about a former employer ( or even a company they were never employed by ) are hardly likely to give a balanced view .
For a real low down on how it is in NLH long haul, we need a current, serving pilot.
For a real low down on how it is in NLH long haul, we need a current, serving pilot.
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It is unlikely the “low down” will be forthcoming from a current pilot serving in an oppressive regime where criticism, real or perceived, is crushed. Pilots and cabin crews have been pursued and terminated for making comments and submitting reports with which the upper echelons of the Fornebue rats nest disagree. Pilots are even afraid to respond to the many requests on this thread for roster information.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2015/08/09/n...else/40528734/
During the NAI US permit application, Norwegian and proponents have repeatedly referred to objections against their atypical labor model and its adverse affects on safety, labor rights and labor principles, as grossly inaccurate and slanderous. However, no media outlet, airline, organization, union, association, group or person has been pursued for defamation. The smiling rock ape did threaten to sue a homeless, penniless, single mother for “bad public relations” after she was terminated from her job as 787 flight attendant following a safety incident in JFK, and the subsequent illegal flight across the Atlantic. Interestingly, the Captain involved in the incident had previously submitted a 2-page letter to the DoT in support of the NAI permit application and was not terminated. Once again, Norwegian did not conduct a “balanced” investigation before summarily terminating agency crew.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2015/03/03/n...kjos/37978024/
A previous post refers to agency pilots who attempted good faith negotiations with Norwegian. Subsequently, their contracts were not renewed. During the 2015 strike Norwegian dissolved the unionized single Scandinavian group and resurrected it into separate divisions. Are these strategic moves designed to strengthen or weaken the influence of the pilot group in their efforts to improve their conditions?
Norwegian’s atypical labor model removes their obligation to negotiate with agency employed pilots and cabin crew. The employer agency is entirely responsible to administer the set terms and conditions. For one particular group this is about to change. Norwegian’s non-union pilot association/group should take note and study a recent legal ruling:-
Norwegian’s 787 Cabin Crew Association, NCCA, has received a ruling by the National Mediation Board, NMB. The Board found that Norwegian and OSM are joint employers. The cabin crew may now vote to form a representative labor union (as opposed to a powerless association/group). Norwegian and OSM must provide the NMB with a list of eligible voters. The NCCA application, NMB investigation into the Norwegian Group/OSM service provider relationship, and ruling, is available at link:-
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...171.1464013583
Upon receipt of the NMB ruling, in typical rock ape style, OSM sent the cabin crew a “notice” on their imminent union ballot. The notice warned cabin crew if they ever went on strike they can be permanently replaced and there would be no guarantee they could return to work when they ended any strike. The notice said the only guarantee is that you will pay union dues and asked, “Knowing this, is collective bargaining worth the risk?”
http://www.dagbladet.no/2016/06/05/n...arat/44433259/
Vegard Einan, the head of Norway labor union PARAT, believes the notice is an attempt to influence employees from joining a union, and in a Scandinavian working life context, is “ethically and morally reprehensible”. This is not the first time attempts have been made to influence Norwegian’s crews in their decision making:-
“Pilots are threatened with losing their jobs if they refuse to transition to OSM”
http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/...uttert-til-osm
Norwegian’s pilots and cabin crews may be confident their CEO is 100% behind them.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2015/08/09/n...else/40528734/
During the NAI US permit application, Norwegian and proponents have repeatedly referred to objections against their atypical labor model and its adverse affects on safety, labor rights and labor principles, as grossly inaccurate and slanderous. However, no media outlet, airline, organization, union, association, group or person has been pursued for defamation. The smiling rock ape did threaten to sue a homeless, penniless, single mother for “bad public relations” after she was terminated from her job as 787 flight attendant following a safety incident in JFK, and the subsequent illegal flight across the Atlantic. Interestingly, the Captain involved in the incident had previously submitted a 2-page letter to the DoT in support of the NAI permit application and was not terminated. Once again, Norwegian did not conduct a “balanced” investigation before summarily terminating agency crew.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2015/03/03/n...kjos/37978024/
A previous post refers to agency pilots who attempted good faith negotiations with Norwegian. Subsequently, their contracts were not renewed. During the 2015 strike Norwegian dissolved the unionized single Scandinavian group and resurrected it into separate divisions. Are these strategic moves designed to strengthen or weaken the influence of the pilot group in their efforts to improve their conditions?
Norwegian’s atypical labor model removes their obligation to negotiate with agency employed pilots and cabin crew. The employer agency is entirely responsible to administer the set terms and conditions. For one particular group this is about to change. Norwegian’s non-union pilot association/group should take note and study a recent legal ruling:-
Norwegian’s 787 Cabin Crew Association, NCCA, has received a ruling by the National Mediation Board, NMB. The Board found that Norwegian and OSM are joint employers. The cabin crew may now vote to form a representative labor union (as opposed to a powerless association/group). Norwegian and OSM must provide the NMB with a list of eligible voters. The NCCA application, NMB investigation into the Norwegian Group/OSM service provider relationship, and ruling, is available at link:-
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...171.1464013583
Upon receipt of the NMB ruling, in typical rock ape style, OSM sent the cabin crew a “notice” on their imminent union ballot. The notice warned cabin crew if they ever went on strike they can be permanently replaced and there would be no guarantee they could return to work when they ended any strike. The notice said the only guarantee is that you will pay union dues and asked, “Knowing this, is collective bargaining worth the risk?”
http://www.dagbladet.no/2016/06/05/n...arat/44433259/
Vegard Einan, the head of Norway labor union PARAT, believes the notice is an attempt to influence employees from joining a union, and in a Scandinavian working life context, is “ethically and morally reprehensible”. This is not the first time attempts have been made to influence Norwegian’s crews in their decision making:-
“Pilots are threatened with losing their jobs if they refuse to transition to OSM”
http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/...uttert-til-osm
Norwegian’s pilots and cabin crews may be confident their CEO is 100% behind them.
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Would a pilot joining NLH be considered a contractor as with the older RYR style contracts where a good accountant was very important in that many different things can be claimed back against tax due? Or since there is this global crew UK company the position is not considered a contractor type and full tax contributions of 20% & 40% are required?
Any idea from anyone presently inside the company how long to upgrade from RCA to Captain?
I know NLH may not be everyone's cup of tea but for some there is no other option and for others its a step closer to home. Im just looking for some genuine info if anyone has any.
Any idea from anyone presently inside the company how long to upgrade from RCA to Captain?
I know NLH may not be everyone's cup of tea but for some there is no other option and for others its a step closer to home. Im just looking for some genuine info if anyone has any.
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Hi all, Any one with any knowledge what Brexit means to the likes of NLH? Will they be able to continue operating out of London as they do once the UK is fully withdrawn from the EU? Is it an option they would move everything to Dublin and use the Irish AOC which would allow them access to the EU markets etc?
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BREXIT will certainly affect the Norwegian Air UK (NAUK) US permit application submitted on 11 Dec, 2015. Another protracted application, similar to that by “Ireland based” Norwegian Air International (NAI), will have the effect of delaying expansion plans, as with the Cork/Boston service.
Aftenposten newspaper reports; "The airline Norwegian lost big on the Oslo Stock Exchange Friday" - Link:
Norwegian-aksjonærer tapte en milliard kroner på Brexit - Aftenposten
Aftenposten newspaper reports; "The airline Norwegian lost big on the Oslo Stock Exchange Friday" - Link:
Norwegian-aksjonærer tapte en milliard kroner på Brexit - Aftenposten