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So you think 5k is ok to get a "rather nice property" in Surrey. Great, good for you. This is a Pilots forum, we are talking specifically about NLH package for a Captain. So if you are not inferring anything regarding the salary of a Widebody Captain, you're clearly in the wrong forum sight.
Pardon me for thinking you were referring to an Wide Body Captains salary in this forum, even though that's what we're talking about
As to your "Histrionics", I've spent some time in Surrey, and let me assure you the cost of living is up there with the highest in the world (Real estate aside), so I don't think it's too Melodramatic to say it's a basing in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
Pardon me for thinking you were referring to an Wide Body Captains salary in this forum, even though that's what we're talking about
As to your "Histrionics", I've spent some time in Surrey, and let me assure you the cost of living is up there with the highest in the world (Real estate aside), so I don't think it's too Melodramatic to say it's a basing in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
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5k would be enough to get a rather nice property ?? Would that be for a Security Guard? A Plumber? A council worker? A Surgeon? A Lawyer? A Cleaner etc etc It would appear you are indeed talking about a Captains salary (one would assume on the forum you are in). Please correct me if I'm wrong. One would also assume because you think you can live comfortably (nice home) South of LGW that you think the salary for a 787 Captain is fair?
May I also add that any Captain would be restricted to renting only, unless he can purchase a property with cash, as I would Imagine in the current climate, it would be very hard for a Pilot on a 3 year contract to obtain a mortgage. Seems like a really reall S###ty deal to me.
Do you not find it a little bizzare that a qualified long haul Captain can't even get a Mortgage to buy a home should he desire?! I do.
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May I also add that any Captain would be restricted to renting only, unless he can purchase a property with cash, as I would Imagine in the current climate, it would be very hard for a Pilot on a 3 year contract to obtain a mortgage. Seems like a really reall S###ty deal to me.
Do you not find it a little bizzare that a qualified long haul Captain can't even get a Mortgage to buy a home should he desire?! I do.
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Well,
It depends what you want.
If you want a large country house in the SE , £1.5m + is what you need, so you can forget being an airline pilot and getting one, unless your other half also has a highly paid profession.
This three year contract thing V a mortgage - the biggest issue is actually being self employed more than anything .
It depends what you want.
If you want a large country house in the SE , £1.5m + is what you need, so you can forget being an airline pilot and getting one, unless your other half also has a highly paid profession.
This three year contract thing V a mortgage - the biggest issue is actually being self employed more than anything .
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I've just found a two bed, terraced house in Horsham. A bargain at £400,000. The whole row is probably populated by destitute Norwegian skippers.
Let's look somewhere nicer......Oooh a three bed bungalow in Pulborough.
Living the dream huh? Nope, I want more than that, don't you?
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Let's look somewhere nicer......Oooh a three bed bungalow in Pulborough.
Living the dream huh? Nope, I want more than that, don't you?
20yearstoolate,
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Yes, the self employed status does tend to bugger it up, making enquiries most lenders want 3 years accounts and the lending is based on the retained profits, which are practically nil, so option B is to put a large wad down and then put yourself at the mercy of a broker, typically 2 percent of the loan but max LTV I could find was 60 percent. The other option is to use your wad to buy two smaller houses to rent out and use the income to rent in the SE, but the thought of retiring to a 2 up 2 down in Bedford student area and watching Karaoke at the pub is not so attractive. If one is prepared to travel a little further south you can get a reasonable abode for around 700K, which means raiding the pension or emptying the mattress in the ME. As mentioned, NLH do not seem to have too much problem attracting the people and at the moment they have no need to raise the bar. Mistakenly I thought the salary was to enjoy life, not to build a castle, no matter how big your house your grave will be the same size
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Right, so what's four times the salary of a NLH skipper? 360-400ish equivalent before tax.
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Fade, a reasonable property in leafy West Midlands, may even be your neighbour!
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Solihull Road, Hampton-In-Arden, Solihull, West Midlands, B92, B92
Seems you do have to be Alan Sugar to live these days! I assume the company provide car parking at LGW, in which case, no need to live within the expensive 50 mile belt, slightly further north of Luton in Northants is good value and rentals are also reasonable: 5 bedroom detached house to rent in Bridge Meadow Way, Grange Park, NN4 The point being we can all cut our cloth accordingly.
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Solihull Road, Hampton-In-Arden, Solihull, West Midlands, B92, B92
Seems you do have to be Alan Sugar to live these days! I assume the company provide car parking at LGW, in which case, no need to live within the expensive 50 mile belt, slightly further north of Luton in Northants is good value and rentals are also reasonable: 5 bedroom detached house to rent in Bridge Meadow Way, Grange Park, NN4 The point being we can all cut our cloth accordingly.
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Ha,
That's funny avenger, reason being I used to actually live about 7 miles from there.....
I can't be arsed to argue with the others who have no intention of applying to NLH,
If you don't like the salary, stay in the ME or China .
If your a BA or Virgin skipper , well done, your sorted for wonga anyway.
That leaves the rest of us.
That's funny avenger, reason being I used to actually live about 7 miles from there.....
I can't be arsed to argue with the others who have no intention of applying to NLH,
If you don't like the salary, stay in the ME or China .
If your a BA or Virgin skipper , well done, your sorted for wonga anyway.
That leaves the rest of us.
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Personally, I can't see the advantage of flying the "plastic fantastic" (jet-lag/no wifi / 8 ? or is it now 10 ? days off a month) in preference to the 738 (same money / wifi / if LGW based home most nights & contracted 12 OFF a month) am I missing something more relevant than penis size here 
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Well, it's a bit naive to assume aircraft type comes into the decision of employer isn't it ?
" hey, fade, what ya wanna fly ?" - spoken in an airline interview, never.
There are no advantages or disadvantages ,
For me
- don't have 737 rating
- don't live near gatwick
- one sector days across multiple time zones , for me, marginally less tiring than multi sector stuff.
To be absolutely clear. I don't give a stuff what I fly. If a tiger moth paid the same I'm sure it's more fun !
" hey, fade, what ya wanna fly ?" - spoken in an airline interview, never.
There are no advantages or disadvantages ,
For me
- don't have 737 rating
- don't live near gatwick
- one sector days across multiple time zones , for me, marginally less tiring than multi sector stuff.
To be absolutely clear. I don't give a stuff what I fly. If a tiger moth paid the same I'm sure it's more fun !
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The Norwegian labor model is like the plot of a low budget horror movie. Except in this instance the victims are inexplicably running toward the monster.
Fixed-term, full time employment continues to be offered only by an agency for temporary work with Norwegian at LGW. The agency may or may not find you alternative work if Norwegian summarily dispenses with your services. Individual agency contracts may indemnify the agency from any obligation due to decisions taken by their client airline, Norwegian. If applying for a mortgage always be aware:
"Mortgage fraud is a crime in which the intent is to materially misrepresent or omit information on a mortgage loan application to obtain a loan, or obtain a larger loan, than would have not been obtained had the lender or borrower known the truth" - this includes failure to disclose liabilities, such as a training bond.
Kjos promised direct employment in his June 1 letter:
"It has and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crews employed through agencies, the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"
In respect of direct employment at the end of any LGW transitional period, Kjos has, so far, failed to honor his promise. The Norwegian Pilot Group declares on its website that direct employment is a main objective. Given the Kjos labor relations record, there may be trouble ahead in achieving or even maintaining this objective. The Scandinavian pilot group and their direct employment contract renewal, will be the tester for any 100% Norwegian, pilot unity (not just a shiny red badge, but a way of life):
"The Norwegian Pilot Group believes that cooperation and unity of purpose are essential to protect our collective professional interests in Norwegian and are committed to working together"
Good news:- from November 15, new EU legislation is enacted and includes specific terminology to protect Norwegian's agency crew, and others, if reporting safety matters. Previous legislation, EU 2003/42/EC, protected only "employees". Norwegian has summarily dismissed agency crew, via their agency, after they raised safety issues. EU 376/2014 protects both "employees and contracted personnel" - Link: https://easa.europa.eu/document-libr...-eu-no-3762014
Pilots can now make full use of the initiatives described in the Norwegian OM A, 1.4.1 and 3.4.2 also, 7.5, without fear of retribution. Any crew fatigued due to positioning to/from flights, are encouraged to submit the applicable report.
Fixed-term, full time employment continues to be offered only by an agency for temporary work with Norwegian at LGW. The agency may or may not find you alternative work if Norwegian summarily dispenses with your services. Individual agency contracts may indemnify the agency from any obligation due to decisions taken by their client airline, Norwegian. If applying for a mortgage always be aware:
"Mortgage fraud is a crime in which the intent is to materially misrepresent or omit information on a mortgage loan application to obtain a loan, or obtain a larger loan, than would have not been obtained had the lender or borrower known the truth" - this includes failure to disclose liabilities, such as a training bond.
Kjos promised direct employment in his June 1 letter:
"It has and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crews employed through agencies, the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"
In respect of direct employment at the end of any LGW transitional period, Kjos has, so far, failed to honor his promise. The Norwegian Pilot Group declares on its website that direct employment is a main objective. Given the Kjos labor relations record, there may be trouble ahead in achieving or even maintaining this objective. The Scandinavian pilot group and their direct employment contract renewal, will be the tester for any 100% Norwegian, pilot unity (not just a shiny red badge, but a way of life):
"The Norwegian Pilot Group believes that cooperation and unity of purpose are essential to protect our collective professional interests in Norwegian and are committed to working together"
Good news:- from November 15, new EU legislation is enacted and includes specific terminology to protect Norwegian's agency crew, and others, if reporting safety matters. Previous legislation, EU 2003/42/EC, protected only "employees". Norwegian has summarily dismissed agency crew, via their agency, after they raised safety issues. EU 376/2014 protects both "employees and contracted personnel" - Link: https://easa.europa.eu/document-libr...-eu-no-3762014
Pilots can now make full use of the initiatives described in the Norwegian OM A, 1.4.1 and 3.4.2 also, 7.5, without fear of retribution. Any crew fatigued due to positioning to/from flights, are encouraged to submit the applicable report.
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Hi guy,
I have done the online tests 3 weeks ago and at the moment still no answer.
Do you know how long does it takes the procedure to get the invitation for the assessment?
And when?
Thank you
I have done the online tests 3 weeks ago and at the moment still no answer.
Do you know how long does it takes the procedure to get the invitation for the assessment?
And when?
Thank you
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I hear you won't get any feedback in the process unless you fail any step. So, if you hear nothing after completing the online tests all should be fine and you await a possible invitation. Something like that it says in the email when you register the application.
It's an ongoing process. If you are current on Boeing it's a greater chance you'll get invited for interview and sim, less if Airbus rated, even less if rated on smaller aircraft. Heard it has to do with cost of training.
Hear they will recruit every month 2016. They just asked all pilots if anyone wanted to join the recruitment team. 30 B787-9 coming five years is a lot of pilots...
It's an ongoing process. If you are current on Boeing it's a greater chance you'll get invited for interview and sim, less if Airbus rated, even less if rated on smaller aircraft. Heard it has to do with cost of training.
Hear they will recruit every month 2016. They just asked all pilots if anyone wanted to join the recruitment team. 30 B787-9 coming five years is a lot of pilots...