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Bondi, the "report" to which you refer appears to be a tabloid selective write up and is hardly condemning evidence, anyway, it is somewhat irrelevant as the UK AOC is all but complete, Gatwick Gossip says Norwegian are about to sign for new offices and they are now advertising for 787 CP to "support the New AOC". The training and admin for 737 is moving to Dublin and they are seeking trainers and managers there also. The Norway CAA has a courtesy agreement with the UK and IAA and had its knuckles wrapped last year for being 2 months late in applying for oversight extensions, so it can hardly poke the finger! The LH crews we meet, whatever their reasons for joining, seem content and we should support their choices rather than try and bring the cards crumbling down,,give up your beef!
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An informative response. However, you conveniently do not respond to my question; How many agency pilots have so far been transferred to direct employment with Norwegian, as promised by Kjos in his letter to the U.S. DoT on June 1st, this year ?
"It has been and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crew employed through agencies the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"
The Kjos letter, Exhibit 1, can be viewed at the following link: Regulations.gov (ref: DOT-OST-2013-0204-0203, pdf attachment)
I note from the BALPA website that Norwegian pilots are now part of a 9,000 strong family. The word 'strong' has never been so misplaced.
"The British Airline Pilots Association (BALPA) has announced that pilots from West Atlantic Airlines and Norwegian Air Shuttle have decided to be represented at work and at a national and international level by the professional association for the UK pilot family"
BALPA announcement Link: BALPA | Norwegian Air Shuttle & West Atlantic pilots join growing BALPA pilot family
Surely a 9,000 'strong' family, would have no trouble bringing Kjos to task over his signed promise to employ their member pilots directly, rather than rent pilots from third-party agencies.
Meanwhile, if you walk along Bath Road, between the LHR aircraft noise, you will hear the sound 'ca-ching ca-ching' as Norwegian pilots union dues are deposited in the BALPA cash register.
"It has been and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crew employed through agencies the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"
The Kjos letter, Exhibit 1, can be viewed at the following link: Regulations.gov (ref: DOT-OST-2013-0204-0203, pdf attachment)
I note from the BALPA website that Norwegian pilots are now part of a 9,000 strong family. The word 'strong' has never been so misplaced.
"The British Airline Pilots Association (BALPA) has announced that pilots from West Atlantic Airlines and Norwegian Air Shuttle have decided to be represented at work and at a national and international level by the professional association for the UK pilot family"
BALPA announcement Link: BALPA | Norwegian Air Shuttle & West Atlantic pilots join growing BALPA pilot family
Surely a 9,000 'strong' family, would have no trouble bringing Kjos to task over his signed promise to employ their member pilots directly, rather than rent pilots from third-party agencies.
Meanwhile, if you walk along Bath Road, between the LHR aircraft noise, you will hear the sound 'ca-ching ca-ching' as Norwegian pilots union dues are deposited in the BALPA cash register.
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Really ? Balpa ?
Must be for the short haul lot, long haul developing their own Union.
I was in BaLPa before and they were utterly useless, and according to some friends from GsS they were useless there too .
Still doesn't change the fact you need to go to the beach Mr bonds and forget your constant bear baiting
Must be for the short haul lot, long haul developing their own Union.
I was in BaLPa before and they were utterly useless, and according to some friends from GsS they were useless there too .
Still doesn't change the fact you need to go to the beach Mr bonds and forget your constant bear baiting
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9/4 - Dagbladet News reports the Norwegian Cockpit Association believes Norwegian's use of American and Asian crew onboard Norway registered B787 aircraft is illegal, and their intended course of action next week:
LO-forbund politianmelder Norwegians bruk av asiatiske besetninger - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
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LO-forbund politianmelder Norwegians bruk av asiatiske besetninger - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
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Bondi, for whatever reason you seem to have a generously-proportioned bug up your ass about the employment practises of Norwegian. I would take a guess that, despite your wishful thinking and tiresome contributions, Norwegian will continue to expand and prosper. In the course of that process, some pilots will, regrettably, feel that they have been exploited and choose to leave. However, rather more will find it more than tolerable to provide their services for the agreed remuneration - I know that must irk you but that's just how it is.
Please, no more lectures, no more links to tabloid articles and most of all no more patronising your colleagues. We're all big boys and girls.
Please, no more lectures, no more links to tabloid articles and most of all no more patronising your colleagues. We're all big boys and girls.
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AH - I thought that the point of Terms and Endearment was to highlight and discuss the conditions on offer in the market place from current and potential employers. Yes, DB does have a bee in his bonnet about Norwegian but I am yet to see anyone show he is wrong.
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Adolf,
Not sure who you are or what you are, however, it is apparent who you think you are. Similar to your namesake, a painter/politician with aspirations of grandeur, your pathetic attempt to intimidate has not, and will never work - quite the opposite. Despite your delusion of representing the purported contented masses, most pilots are blissfully unaware of the adverse realities of Norwegian's regime, receiving only the rose-tinted perspective from self-serving employment agencies.
This thread requests information on Norwegian's 787 recruitment and working conditions. I have provided some information and will continue to do so. The fact that the Norway media regularly reports on Norwegian's circumvention of laws, regulations and abhorrent treatment of staff, should be of serious concern to any prospective applicant. Ultimately, the pilots decide for themselves based on the information available - despite your spectacularly failed efforts to obstruct its dissemination.
Here's another news headline of Norwegian's shameful and intolerable treatment of crew for you to consider:
"Dream job in Norwegian was a nightmare" - "Feel exposed to witch-hunt from Kjos"
Link: Føler seg utsatt for heksejakt fra Kjos etter Norwegian-krangel - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
associated links in the article.
Not sure who you are or what you are, however, it is apparent who you think you are. Similar to your namesake, a painter/politician with aspirations of grandeur, your pathetic attempt to intimidate has not, and will never work - quite the opposite. Despite your delusion of representing the purported contented masses, most pilots are blissfully unaware of the adverse realities of Norwegian's regime, receiving only the rose-tinted perspective from self-serving employment agencies.
This thread requests information on Norwegian's 787 recruitment and working conditions. I have provided some information and will continue to do so. The fact that the Norway media regularly reports on Norwegian's circumvention of laws, regulations and abhorrent treatment of staff, should be of serious concern to any prospective applicant. Ultimately, the pilots decide for themselves based on the information available - despite your spectacularly failed efforts to obstruct its dissemination.
Here's another news headline of Norwegian's shameful and intolerable treatment of crew for you to consider:
"Dream job in Norwegian was a nightmare" - "Feel exposed to witch-hunt from Kjos"
Link: Føler seg utsatt for heksejakt fra Kjos etter Norwegian-krangel - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
associated links in the article.
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Oops, I appear to have touched a nerve. Sorry, Bondi, I take it all back. Please continue your self.appointed campaign to educate us on a daily basis and protect us from ourselves. All highly entertaining and much appreciated. I would never have worked out that Norwegian has adopted the agency 'employment' model without the benefit of your insight.
Please don't stop posting.
Please don't stop posting.
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I see Rishworth have removed the advert for cruise captains. Can someone in the know tell me if they are no longer planning to take cruise captains in the future or is this a temporary thing.
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Has anyone been recruited yet for the NLH job @ Gatwick and actually got a confirmed start date?
You are Brave if you have given in your EK / THY / SQ / QR / KE / CX notice , based on what we read about NLH
You are Brave if you have given in your EK / THY / SQ / QR / KE / CX notice , based on what we read about NLH
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Firm start dates have been given. As far as being brave, a few years in the sandpit, dealing with ever changing rules, constant influx of DEC, non-compliance with contractual terms when and where it serves companies agenda and a living environment where your family members are seen by the locals as slaves and subhumans, make your choice.
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HI aviators,
I Passed the assesment for an RCA. Rishworth offered courses end of the year. Now I got a mail, that NAS Cpt take the Slots end of the year and possible Start Dates for me Are sometime in spring 2016.
Good luck to all of you
Zapper
I Passed the assesment for an RCA. Rishworth offered courses end of the year. Now I got a mail, that NAS Cpt take the Slots end of the year and possible Start Dates for me Are sometime in spring 2016.
Good luck to all of you
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Firm start dates have been given. As far as being brave, a few years in the sandpit, dealing with ever changing rules, constant influx of DEC, non-compliance with contractual terms when and where it serves companies agenda and a living environment where your family members are seen by the locals as slaves and subhumans, make your choice.
change "sandpit to sussex" and thats pretty much spot on for Norwegian Gatwick
change "sandpit to sussex" and thats pretty much spot on for Norwegian Gatwick
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All recruitment is closed but they say should open soon again for the aircrafts coming next autumn. Hear they will only open for CPT and FO then and not RCA since they have so many in the holding pool and also upgrade from within. As well a factor is that they only need very few RCA for each aircraft. So if you are a narrow body CPT you must now join as FO, unless you have wide body PIC time.
My experience when I fly on the 787, is that most of them are quite satisfied with Norwegian long haul. Perhaps they don't visit this forum. But I believe they see how things have improved the last year, and how it constantly is improving. I know many of you that won't agree, and that's fine. Go ahead and say that I am an idiot. But I have also been there, in a five star airlines. We all have our reasons to go somewhere else and perhaps end up in Norwegian long haul. For me, I value the full package offered.
My experience when I fly on the 787, is that most of them are quite satisfied with Norwegian long haul. Perhaps they don't visit this forum. But I believe they see how things have improved the last year, and how it constantly is improving. I know many of you that won't agree, and that's fine. Go ahead and say that I am an idiot. But I have also been there, in a five star airlines. We all have our reasons to go somewhere else and perhaps end up in Norwegian long haul. For me, I value the full package offered.
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With the need for more pilots over the next few years I keep hearing that Norwegian LH will be improving the T&C's next year together with offering additional new bases in UK. Any truth in this?
How many days off on average does a Capt get each month in UK at home?
How many days off on average does a Capt get each month in UK at home?
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The rumor is a 40% salary increase, not confirmed yet. Average days off is 12. BKK based less, UK based more. Rumor new crew base in ORY and BCN. New bases in UK is probably for 737 MAX that will fly long haul, but not for the 787 pilots.