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Average days off is about 11 at the moment (despite 8 in the contract). It is still a "start-up" and they are still learning, but the idea is to increase this to about half/half. Like in a normal long haul operation. NLH have 8 a/c at the moment. In three years they have more than double - 17 a/c. I am pretty sure that they will know by then how to schedule long haul crews, and that they have better flexibility with 17 a/c to schedule effectively. It will only get better, resulting in more days off per month. That's my guess.
It is a low cost company. They don't keep you on outstation longer than they need. Normally that is 24 hours. So, in three working days you do 20 block hours (average trip is 10 hours). Most guys fly a "W", four legs in six days clocking 40 block hours. You do that twice per month and you have your hours. A couple of standby days on top of that. This is how I believe it will look in a year's time.
A new contract will be out the next few days. The rumor is that the minimum off-days will increase. We'll see.
Upgrade based on seniority. But again, the fleet will more than double the next three years. And more orders on the way...
It is a low cost company. They don't keep you on outstation longer than they need. Normally that is 24 hours. So, in three working days you do 20 block hours (average trip is 10 hours). Most guys fly a "W", four legs in six days clocking 40 block hours. You do that twice per month and you have your hours. A couple of standby days on top of that. This is how I believe it will look in a year's time.
A new contract will be out the next few days. The rumor is that the minimum off-days will increase. We'll see.
Upgrade based on seniority. But again, the fleet will more than double the next three years. And more orders on the way...
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Rishworth confirm there will be 9 days of screening in July and 3 days in August. 8 guys every day.
NLH need to crew 4 aircraft for next year. That's 100 pilots. The above is just for the two first.
Rumor is that the new sim scenario is in JFK... Do you know your Canarsie approach?!
NLH need to crew 4 aircraft for next year. That's 100 pilots. The above is just for the two first.
Rumor is that the new sim scenario is in JFK... Do you know your Canarsie approach?!
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I was on the understanding that sim checks/personal interviews were carried out by Norwegian HQ, and not by Rishworth? The July / Aug screenings must be pre checking out a candidates bank balance before they are allowed to continue any further. As such, I believe there are no final sim checks etc arranged for either July or August.
However, July is only a week away. Most of us have our rosters for July, so Rishworth (or whoever) are not allowing the guys who are hard at it much time to arrange a trip to wherever they decide to screen. Again, not showing much intent to get the best guys. Just them who's keen, retired or unemployed .
Perhaps this is their mission ....
However, July is only a week away. Most of us have our rosters for July, so Rishworth (or whoever) are not allowing the guys who are hard at it much time to arrange a trip to wherever they decide to screen. Again, not showing much intent to get the best guys. Just them who's keen, retired or unemployed .
Perhaps this is their mission ....
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Sorry to say, but I just heard July is fully booked. Maybe your turn next time.
Candidates selected by Norwegian, and screened by Norwegian in Oslo. However, invited by Rishworth.
The crew, if you believe all is a set-up, enjoy the feeling while it lasts...
Candidates selected by Norwegian, and screened by Norwegian in Oslo. However, invited by Rishworth.
The crew, if you believe all is a set-up, enjoy the feeling while it lasts...
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Yes, really. Anecdotal evidence ...If an invitation is issued to a candidate who has a full roster, they either decline, ask for short term leave or go sick. Most would try re arrange for a future date. Therefore, another candidate takes this interview slot. They may well be less suitable, and for arguments sake, perhaps "between jobs" , they are more flexible (read desperate) to attend any date given. This being a LoCo operation, BA its not, then if the less qualified pilot turns up and passes the interview they should a least expect a place in the holding pool. Sometimes it pays to be unemployed, retired or a wannabe.
patience is a virtue. I still think its a BA hold pool scenario. Recruit as many into it as possible, and then offer positions as needed, to whoever accepts first. I believe B777 pilots are the cheapest to train, and therefore would take precedence. Im now on the big bird, and my 777 is long expired .
patience is a virtue. I still think its a BA hold pool scenario. Recruit as many into it as possible, and then offer positions as needed, to whoever accepts first. I believe B777 pilots are the cheapest to train, and therefore would take precedence. Im now on the big bird, and my 777 is long expired .
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I can only conclude that they have a pretty strong candidate base. 11k+ on smaller boeings and not a sniff of an interview. No idea how the online test went but I think I am fairly normal. Disappointed with the lack of feedback from Rishworth I must say.
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Strong candidate database or not is not the issue. Airlines are totally entitled to pick whoever fits their requirements. However, I can only agree with you and your feeling of disappointment. Having also completed the online tests, my only expectation was at least to get a feedback in a "yes" or "no" form such as "your application is currently under review" or "thanks but we will no longer consider your application at this time". Unfortunately, Rishworth is not the only entity to be blamed for this lack of correction. Their lack of respect is not new and after all cannot be ignored by whatever organization asked them to handle the administrative side of the hiring process.
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Totally agree with you SotE that interviews should only be issued on merit as defined by the interviewer age, ratings, experience, inside leg measurement or what ever they choose. My point is that prior to interview it is a numbers game and there are clearly plenty of people with more numbers and boxes ticked than myself. It would just be nice to have an indication of where I stand.
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There are plenty of posts on PPRUNE regarding the unscrupulous and unethical behaviour of recruitment agencies. The employer in this case is not the agency, not the airline but a third party, set up by an agency whose reputation is allegidly under scrutiny. Enough said.
An earlier posting on this thread said that they finally received a reply from Rishworth a year after applying. Clearly Rishworth will be keeping their cards close to their chests, and as such will not say yay or nay until they need to. Gone are the days of social etiquette and communication. You are expected to Apply, wait, wait more , get frustrated, and hear nothing. Easy, Ryanair are no different. Its the modern era of don't call us.
This is not a P2F job. Its P2L (pay to leave). As such Norwegian are "giving" you the rating, and not deducting the usual fee of around euro 30,000 from your salary. In return you will cough up a returnable deposit. There are very few jobs allowing direct entry and offering a top rating in the process.
However, at the end of the day, many candidates are well paid expats, with kids at private schools, mortgages minimal. Rishworth have no idea how many will actually take the plunge and resign from Emirates, Ethiad, KE, Cx, SQ etc to join a newbie start up.
I suspect the Please F**k Off emails will never arrive.
An earlier posting on this thread said that they finally received a reply from Rishworth a year after applying. Clearly Rishworth will be keeping their cards close to their chests, and as such will not say yay or nay until they need to. Gone are the days of social etiquette and communication. You are expected to Apply, wait, wait more , get frustrated, and hear nothing. Easy, Ryanair are no different. Its the modern era of don't call us.
This is not a P2F job. Its P2L (pay to leave). As such Norwegian are "giving" you the rating, and not deducting the usual fee of around euro 30,000 from your salary. In return you will cough up a returnable deposit. There are very few jobs allowing direct entry and offering a top rating in the process.
However, at the end of the day, many candidates are well paid expats, with kids at private schools, mortgages minimal. Rishworth have no idea how many will actually take the plunge and resign from Emirates, Ethiad, KE, Cx, SQ etc to join a newbie start up.
I suspect the Please F**k Off emails will never arrive.
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Rumour in the news is that Norwegian CEO will sign for another 17 Dreamliner the coming weeks. That is then 34 in total the next few years, however unclear how fast they will arrive
I hear 50 is the target.
Give it another two weeks and the terms and conditions have changed. Flight Ops has promised a new contract with improved conditions by the end of June.
I hear 50 is the target.
Give it another two weeks and the terms and conditions have changed. Flight Ops has promised a new contract with improved conditions by the end of June.
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My understanding is that OSM aviation, who employe the short haul pilots will in due course become the employer of the long haul pilots. Lets be clear this arrangement is very different from say Brookfield.
Pilots employed by OSM pay taxes and social insurance in the countries where they are based.
The long haul operation appears to be reaching a critical mass, with 8 in service and 4 more due in 2016, the loads are reported to be very good. The 787 is settling down nicely.
Pilots employed by OSM pay taxes and social insurance in the countries where they are based.
The long haul operation appears to be reaching a critical mass, with 8 in service and 4 more due in 2016, the loads are reported to be very good. The 787 is settling down nicely.
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Hard to believe pilots still hand over 40k euro for this gig. The "P2L (pay to leave)" description is appropriate. Any airline participating in such a scheme is making a clear statement - and that statement is:- We have a history of poor labor relations, and have no confidence in our ability to retain you for a 3-year term without subjecting you to a severe financial penalty - (did someone say added stress and anxiety). However....
"a new contract with improved conditions by the end of June"
Crew are presently employed via a double circumvention of employment laws through an agency's broom cupboard affiliate. Any new arrangement may simply remove the broom cupboard element. The circumvention of employment laws will remain, as evidenced by the selective termination of four cabin crew by Norwegian, via instructions to their employer, OSM. Link:-
Flyvertinne slår tilbake mot Norwegian - avviser påstander om illojalitet - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
Use Google Translate and read all the associated links in the article. Once again, it is interesting to note that the biggest critic of Norwegian's treatment of staff, is the Norway media.
Hopefully, any new contract will create a positive, cooperative and energetic work environment, making the overall flying experience extremely pleasant for both customers and crew.
"a new contract with improved conditions by the end of June"
Crew are presently employed via a double circumvention of employment laws through an agency's broom cupboard affiliate. Any new arrangement may simply remove the broom cupboard element. The circumvention of employment laws will remain, as evidenced by the selective termination of four cabin crew by Norwegian, via instructions to their employer, OSM. Link:-
Flyvertinne slår tilbake mot Norwegian - avviser påstander om illojalitet - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
Use Google Translate and read all the associated links in the article. Once again, it is interesting to note that the biggest critic of Norwegian's treatment of staff, is the Norway media.
Hopefully, any new contract will create a positive, cooperative and energetic work environment, making the overall flying experience extremely pleasant for both customers and crew.
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Direct Bondi; I take it you didn't apply? Your posts are a little on the negative side. I'm curious where you get the energy and time from, writing on this thread so much and clearly doesn't want to join? 
Well, I am happy in the company. Far from all pilots are happy, but I would say many are. I believe the conditions will improve. If they don't, I was wrong.
Regarding results from the online tests, my friend was told when asked, that there will be no feedback unless you failed. Moreover, the recruitment process will last for months including several months' of screening. Until all is finished he wouldn't get any feedback.
Well, I am happy in the company. Far from all pilots are happy, but I would say many are. I believe the conditions will improve. If they don't, I was wrong.
Regarding results from the online tests, my friend was told when asked, that there will be no feedback unless you failed. Moreover, the recruitment process will last for months including several months' of screening. Until all is finished he wouldn't get any feedback.
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Not a personal attack, but I gather both Fade to Grey and Boeing operator were unemployed immidiatly prior to signing for NLH, @ BKK base.
They were desperate and perhaps are now suffering from the Stockholm syndrome ?
I can understand this, but its all boils down to making your own luck and ensuring you dont join a company that lays you off or goes bust after a few years. Something that maybe deja vu for the two above, if the euro crisis rumbles on for a couple of more years.
I still cannot believe that this company does not pay any medical insurance , loss of licence, bonus , 13 th month ,
Adequate sick leave , dental cover, hotel allowances?
Can anyone not having hard times seriously consider joining?
Unless you got lucky at the lotto. lol
They were desperate and perhaps are now suffering from the Stockholm syndrome ?
I can understand this, but its all boils down to making your own luck and ensuring you dont join a company that lays you off or goes bust after a few years. Something that maybe deja vu for the two above, if the euro crisis rumbles on for a couple of more years.
I still cannot believe that this company does not pay any medical insurance , loss of licence, bonus , 13 th month ,
Adequate sick leave , dental cover, hotel allowances?
Can anyone not having hard times seriously consider joining?
Unless you got lucky at the lotto. lol
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Not often do I react to comments made on here but every now and then something gets stated that is just annoying.
Why write…………...
"but its all boils down to making your own luck and ensuring you dont join a company that lays you off or goes bust after a few years."
Bloody hell. Maybe today EJ, RYR, BA look nice and safe and are recruiting. But will they always be recruiting and when they are not where do you go ? I know your comment is aimed at NLH of which I know sod all except what is on this thread but pilot recruitment has not always been the happy playing field it is just at the moment. Look behind you highfive - there may be an XL pilot nearby.
Why write…………...
"but its all boils down to making your own luck and ensuring you dont join a company that lays you off or goes bust after a few years."
Bloody hell. Maybe today EJ, RYR, BA look nice and safe and are recruiting. But will they always be recruiting and when they are not where do you go ? I know your comment is aimed at NLH of which I know sod all except what is on this thread but pilot recruitment has not always been the happy playing field it is just at the moment. Look behind you highfive - there may be an XL pilot nearby.
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Give it another two weeks and the terms and conditions have changed. Flight Ops has promised a new contract with improved conditions by the end of June.
Boring , err i mean Boeing , hows your wishful thinking coming along? I think with the deluge of experienced guys queing up, i do hope they renew your contract with an increase to compensate for 3 years of inflation and some?
Boring , err i mean Boeing , hows your wishful thinking coming along? I think with the deluge of experienced guys queing up, i do hope they renew your contract with an increase to compensate for 3 years of inflation and some?