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Any truth to the rumour that BK has bought a server and placed it on a remote undisclosed island in the pacific ocean. Well guarded by local militia. Sources telling the sole purpose with the server is to use it mining Bitcoins at some point planning to start paying his staff that way instead of using cash money saving some money and the same time making air-travel cheaper and more available to the general public?
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@Gypsy likewise, If they are asking you to Pay up front with No Confirmed offer? On your head be it. If its with a written offer its not a bond its like a security Deposit. They don't have to spend Money chasing you over a bonding agreement which they may lose if its viewed as a Financial Penalty.
Basically if you go off before time they have nothing much to lose as they have your Cash already. Its been done before In a well known SE Asian Country before and others with Foreign Contract's. I Guess its here in Norwegian , I stand to be corrected but would like to know the lowdown also that's all.
Basically if you go off before time they have nothing much to lose as they have your Cash already. Its been done before In a well known SE Asian Country before and others with Foreign Contract's. I Guess its here in Norwegian , I stand to be corrected but would like to know the lowdown also that's all.
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Who is asking you to "pay up front" and to whom?
Norwegian's 787 pilots are all employed by an agency and supplied to Norwegian (like catering and cleaning services). Any agency employment scheme involving fees, may not comply with the Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003. The Employment Agencies Standards Inspectorate, EAS, should examine any "pay up front" revenue generator.
EAS information Link: http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/p/r...workers_V2.pdf
Norwegian's 787 pilots are all employed by an agency and supplied to Norwegian (like catering and cleaning services). Any agency employment scheme involving fees, may not comply with the Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003. The Employment Agencies Standards Inspectorate, EAS, should examine any "pay up front" revenue generator.
EAS information Link: http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/p/r...workers_V2.pdf
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If you need to know the bonding situation, speak to rishworth as they are solely engaged in this.
Basically the amount of bond varies dependant on what you've flown before.
For instance for previous 73/75/76 pilots €30k, more for those with Airbus only, less for 777 I believe.
Either have the cash, or bank guarantee letter. If it s cash it is deposited in a bank account. 12 months after you start the TR you get 1/3 back with any interest accrued, another year and so on. No one is asking you to commit to anything financially until you have a firm contract.
I've had €20k back so far with no problems
Basically the amount of bond varies dependant on what you've flown before.
For instance for previous 73/75/76 pilots €30k, more for those with Airbus only, less for 777 I believe.
Either have the cash, or bank guarantee letter. If it s cash it is deposited in a bank account. 12 months after you start the TR you get 1/3 back with any interest accrued, another year and so on. No one is asking you to commit to anything financially until you have a firm contract.
I've had €20k back so far with no problems
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Why would you hand over a 30k cash bond as opposed to providing a bank guarantee letter? - I am not convinced a bank guarantee letter is an option as it does not generate revenue for the party concerned until bond default.
Is the B787 type rating fee/bond subject to VAT and if so, have you also received VAT refunds on any cash payment?
Is the B787 type rating fee/bond subject to VAT and if so, have you also received VAT refunds on any cash payment?
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Bondi, some of your post portray a bitter and twisted person , akin to a barrack room lawyer, this is an aviation forum, not a human rights soap box. Your post No 11 (17/08/2012) " Norwegian did not pass Your assessment? " There is a world of difference between supporting the industry standards and derisory comments when guys are simply trying to work. As ventilated many times posts regarding VAT refunds, contract Law etc etc have little use when someone is trying to secure employment rather than stand on the ground gazing into the air..with respect a bit more balance would not go amiss. No one has the right to tell other people how to spend their money..Yes the NLH system appears to have flaws, but its a personal choice..If I believed half the stuff about THY I would have blown my own head off years ago, some complete and utter cr@p posted on these forums sometimes..
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Well said Kirks. There appears to be a lot of chaff on this thread and very little wheat. As I understand it the bond does not attract VAT because it is not paid to anybody. It is held on account and paid back annually. I don't know about any interest accrued but I do know from guys that are there that it is paid back on time.
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Kirk you really an expert in communication. You sneak in on an unrelated thread to pump THY...ah ah ah you are the master !!!!
A bit sad as an attempt thou. Well above 90% of the thing you read on THY are 100% true by the way. The best European Airline is a pilot nightmare..not necessarily a expat pilot only.
Well I think you and your cronies managers and CFO/ CEO meeting at IATA to find ways to fill their pockets by screwing the lives and emptying those of professional pilots...and may want to think of this.
Times are changing man you will sure run of idiots to milk.
https://disciplesofflight.com/pilot-...did-pilots-go/
A bit sad as an attempt thou. Well above 90% of the thing you read on THY are 100% true by the way. The best European Airline is a pilot nightmare..not necessarily a expat pilot only.
Well I think you and your cronies managers and CFO/ CEO meeting at IATA to find ways to fill their pockets by screwing the lives and emptying those of professional pilots...and may want to think of this.
Times are changing man you will sure run of idiots to milk.
https://disciplesofflight.com/pilot-...did-pilots-go/
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fade to grey - thanks for the info above.
I would also like to know about rosters etc, days off, leave - how much and how difficult to get. Hotels - are they good etc. How long is the training. Anything useful to help with decision making. I know Rishworth have lot of this stuff but I'd just like to hear it from balanced first hand reports.
Post 187 mentioned a roster pattern but over how many days is that flown?
Many thanks
I would also like to know about rosters etc, days off, leave - how much and how difficult to get. Hotels - are they good etc. How long is the training. Anything useful to help with decision making. I know Rishworth have lot of this stuff but I'd just like to hear it from balanced first hand reports.
Post 187 mentioned a roster pattern but over how many days is that flown?
Many thanks
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If you need to know the bonding situation, speak to rishworth as they are solely engaged in this.
Basically the amount of bond varies dependant on what you've flown before.
For instance for previous 73/75/76 pilots €30k, more for those with Airbus only, less for 777 I believe.
Either have the cash, or bank guarantee letter. If it s cash it is deposited in a bank account. 12 months after you start the TR you get 1/3 back with any interest accrued, another year and so on. No one is asking you to commit to anything financially until you have a firm contract.
I've had €20k back so far with no problems
Basically the amount of bond varies dependant on what you've flown before.
For instance for previous 73/75/76 pilots €30k, more for those with Airbus only, less for 777 I believe.
Either have the cash, or bank guarantee letter. If it s cash it is deposited in a bank account. 12 months after you start the TR you get 1/3 back with any interest accrued, another year and so on. No one is asking you to commit to anything financially until you have a firm contract.
I've had €20k back so far with no problems
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no, you make a deposit of 30k (or according your previous rating)
after 12 months it is reduced to 20k
after 24 months it is reduced to 10k
after 36 months the bond is fulfilled
after 12 months it is reduced to 20k
after 24 months it is reduced to 10k
after 36 months the bond is fulfilled
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The big plus of the company are the people. You won't work with a better bunch of pilots. Perhaps as they're thrown together in less than ideal circumstances they just get along, very well.
Rosters - rubbish.
Leave - Request away but you won't get it. Probably bought at the end of the year.
Hotels - Rubbish. Mainly airport hotels due free transport.
To summarise, you wouldn't regret the move as the working environment is enjoyable but you may want to apply elsewhere one you have the rating.
The big plus of the company are the people. You won't work with a better bunch of pilots. Perhaps as they're thrown together in less than ideal circumstances they just get along, very well.
Rosters - rubbish.
Leave - Request away but you won't get it. Probably bought at the end of the year.
Hotels - Rubbish. Mainly airport hotels due free transport.
To summarise, you wouldn't regret the move as the working environment is enjoyable but you may want to apply elsewhere one you have the rating.
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What real use is the rating?
I want to pay a mortgage off not fly for just for fun.
How can a noisy airport hotel ever be fun?
At some point the lifestyle has to be more important than the rating. Chasing ratings is a mugs game
and will land you off in a far flung part of the world working with guys who dont give a flying f;(k who you are. Unless you convert to Islam. Or marry a chinese.
The rich will like NLH. The wannabes will love it .
Dunoo about the rest.
I want to pay a mortgage off not fly for just for fun.
How can a noisy airport hotel ever be fun?
At some point the lifestyle has to be more important than the rating. Chasing ratings is a mugs game
and will land you off in a far flung part of the world working with guys who dont give a flying f;(k who you are. Unless you convert to Islam. Or marry a chinese.
The rich will like NLH. The wannabes will love it .
Dunoo about the rest.
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K Gusset/Essex lad:
“Well said” what exactly? No useful information was provided by your post, just a derogatory personal attack. I realize that enlightenment may sometimes disappoint, but do try and replace your unsavory objections to facts you refuse to accept, with constructive comment. Coincidentally, Kjos may not have considered the First Amendment at the time of his US Permit application.
The thread requests information on Norwegian’s UK 787 operation. Not only have I provided information, in most cases I have supported it with solid evidence. In particular, I hope I have enlightened many as to the true “employment relationship” with Norwegian and the reasons many find the Kjos, labor business model so objectionable – including 700 of Norwegian’s own pilots that went on strike last March.
I obviously touched a nerve with my reference to VAT. The fact remains, any type rating training provider in the UK is obliged to charge VAT. If pilots are being recruited by Norwegian and “charged” for their type rating, it is subject to VAT. Alternatively, if some other 30k or 40k payment is made to whomever and for whatever, it must be declared to HMRC by the recipient.
Guss, I fully support any pilot in their desire to obtain the employment of their choice. However, even you should see the irony in Norwegian’s 787 acquisitions:-
Built by a skilled workforce having government employment law oversight, labor rights and principles, including collective representation with their real employer.
Flown by a skilled workforce at an airline where none of these employment virtues are in place, allowed or dared to be openly communicated.
SAS and Lufthansa file new objections to Norwegian's business model, "A scheme that undermines Norway and European labor laws". Link:-
Kjos purret på Norwegians USA-søknad: SAS går til motangrep - Norwegian Air Shuttle - Børs og Finans - E24
“Well said” what exactly? No useful information was provided by your post, just a derogatory personal attack. I realize that enlightenment may sometimes disappoint, but do try and replace your unsavory objections to facts you refuse to accept, with constructive comment. Coincidentally, Kjos may not have considered the First Amendment at the time of his US Permit application.
The thread requests information on Norwegian’s UK 787 operation. Not only have I provided information, in most cases I have supported it with solid evidence. In particular, I hope I have enlightened many as to the true “employment relationship” with Norwegian and the reasons many find the Kjos, labor business model so objectionable – including 700 of Norwegian’s own pilots that went on strike last March.
I obviously touched a nerve with my reference to VAT. The fact remains, any type rating training provider in the UK is obliged to charge VAT. If pilots are being recruited by Norwegian and “charged” for their type rating, it is subject to VAT. Alternatively, if some other 30k or 40k payment is made to whomever and for whatever, it must be declared to HMRC by the recipient.
Guss, I fully support any pilot in their desire to obtain the employment of their choice. However, even you should see the irony in Norwegian’s 787 acquisitions:-
Built by a skilled workforce having government employment law oversight, labor rights and principles, including collective representation with their real employer.
Flown by a skilled workforce at an airline where none of these employment virtues are in place, allowed or dared to be openly communicated.
SAS and Lufthansa file new objections to Norwegian's business model, "A scheme that undermines Norway and European labor laws". Link:-
Kjos purret på Norwegians USA-søknad: SAS går til motangrep - Norwegian Air Shuttle - Børs og Finans - E24
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Direct Bondi - can you provide answers to any of the queries I posted above please? I appreciate Shanwicks reply but I would rather read some info on rosters than just go with someone else's opinion that they are rubbish. When in the month are the rosters published? How many changes can one expect? How many days off between trips. How long are the trips?
How does the leave bidding work. Is there anyone here working for Norwegian who can confirm the suggestion above that it isn't possible to get all of the leave in and you end up selling it back?
Its obvious that many here are not fans of Norwegian but some info would be useful to help with decision making.
Thanks to all
How does the leave bidding work. Is there anyone here working for Norwegian who can confirm the suggestion above that it isn't possible to get all of the leave in and you end up selling it back?
Its obvious that many here are not fans of Norwegian but some info would be useful to help with decision making.
Thanks to all
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Gypsy, didnt you ask any of these questions during your interview?
Do they actually do face to face interviews?!
They want 1000 hours min wide body now, i understand over 35 B777 guys from the desert are on the books.
Do they actually do face to face interviews?!
They want 1000 hours min wide body now, i understand over 35 B777 guys from the desert are on the books.