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The money is similar to that paid at Turkish , which operates with EASA licensed captains.
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Hate to mess up the recruiting plan but I think you need to change your airline post the "e.g.", seeing as at BA they no longer have a CRA of 55.
Obviously no one from european legacy carriers, unless final salary pensioned retirees eg BA.
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I think for Norwegian this model will work incredibly well. They are a training airline who will produce the LH pilots required by middle eastern and Asian companies. I'm sure they can count on new Captains to stay for a minimum of 500 hours. They then take from the bond and therefore produce an income.
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The advert states an operational base of Gatwick, but you dont have to live in the UK, which would allow a significant tax advantage , depending on an employees position, residency and past or present ties to the UK.
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Some LGW based pilots may be under the delusion union representation with their employer agency will ensure and protect any labour “rights” they believe they may have with Norwegian – wrong.
Remember, there are two very separate contracts: 1. Pilots with the agency, and 2. Norwegian with the agency to supply the pilots. Any recognition and collective union agreement between LGW based pilots and their employer agency, is not legally binding with Norwegian under the UK Trade Union and Labour Relations Act 1992, why? - because Norwegian is not the employer.
Before handing over union dues, I suggest pilots determine exactly what they hope to achieve by union representation with their employer agency that is legally binding with Norwegian. Furthermore, if you signed your agency contract that includes the “choice of law” as anything other than in the UK, you do not even have the right to an Employment Tribunal for any grievance you may have with your employer agency (union representation with the agency or not).
Once again, one of the main reasons for the recent strike was to have Norwegian as the named employer. Apparently, some of you do not appreciate the importance of this as it relates to UK and European employment/labour laws.
When the President of ALPA said that the use of agencies permitted the circumvention of labour laws, this is the type of scheme he referred to.
Note: DN Norway news reported today that PARAT filed a lawsuit this week against Norwegian, for the courts to rule that Norwegian is the real employer of the pilots. Link: Parat saksøker Norwegian - DN.no
Remember, there are two very separate contracts: 1. Pilots with the agency, and 2. Norwegian with the agency to supply the pilots. Any recognition and collective union agreement between LGW based pilots and their employer agency, is not legally binding with Norwegian under the UK Trade Union and Labour Relations Act 1992, why? - because Norwegian is not the employer.
Before handing over union dues, I suggest pilots determine exactly what they hope to achieve by union representation with their employer agency that is legally binding with Norwegian. Furthermore, if you signed your agency contract that includes the “choice of law” as anything other than in the UK, you do not even have the right to an Employment Tribunal for any grievance you may have with your employer agency (union representation with the agency or not).
Once again, one of the main reasons for the recent strike was to have Norwegian as the named employer. Apparently, some of you do not appreciate the importance of this as it relates to UK and European employment/labour laws.
When the President of ALPA said that the use of agencies permitted the circumvention of labour laws, this is the type of scheme he referred to.
Note: DN Norway news reported today that PARAT filed a lawsuit this week against Norwegian, for the courts to rule that Norwegian is the real employer of the pilots. Link: Parat saksøker Norwegian - DN.no
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If your duties start in the UK you will be liable to UK tax and to avoid this you have to be outside the UK for more than 181 days a year and your duties would have to start elsewhere. With this LGW based contract it is impossible to avoid UK tax, ok if you live in Europe you may get a marginal advantage but most of Europe had a dual tax agreement with the UK do its just an offset and in some ways the UK can be cheaper overall especially with medical costs etc. Either way there's no way out of the tax burden . Living outside Europe and attempting a commute would cost more than the tax bill in flights and Hotels
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https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...05/rdr3_1_.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...25/rdr4_1_.pdf
Obviously, the situation in the individual's country of residence will affect their overall liability.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...25/rdr4_1_.pdf
Obviously, the situation in the individual's country of residence will affect their overall liability.
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Shanwick, perhaps you would like to give us the benefit of your take on the position rather than refer us to an overseas work allowance that is not appropriate to a Uk based contract where all the duties start and finish from a UK base? agreed, the IR have a habit of making things complicated with phrases such as " non domicile" etc etc, but this LGW contract is a clear cut case, unless you can advise us otherwise?
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Obviously, the situation in the individual's country of residence will affect their overall liability.
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Bottom line, not the renumeration package any self respecting Wide Body Capt would have expected up to now . . . . . and going forward ? well, the "market" (I.E how feckin dumb are we pilots 
) will set the new standards. Sign up for what you wish in the future, Congrats 
) will set the new standards. Sign up for what you wish in the future, Congrats
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There are many pilots working for UK based airlines with UK based contracts but resident in another country doing just that. As every case is individual I could not begin to advise on every possibility.
I suggest you contact a specialist such as The Fry Group - Tax & Financial Planning for UK Residents & Expatriates. They have considerable experience in the field and could give you accurate and personalised advice.
Shanwick, perhaps you would like to give us the benefit of your take on the position rather than refer us to an overseas work allowance that is not appropriate to a Uk based contract where all the duties start and finish from a UK base? agreed, the IR have a habit of making things complicated with phrases such as " non domicile" etc etc, but this LGW contract is a clear cut case, unless you can advise us otherwise?
I suggest you contact a specialist such as The Fry Group - Tax & Financial Planning for UK Residents & Expatriates. They have considerable experience in the field and could give you accurate and personalised advice.
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Similar to what was offered to the 737 guys employed in LGW through OSM. Certainly softens the blow slightly, and a useful little "bonus" to anyone based in LGW but living in €-land.
I believe the offer is the same amount, but a minimum amount of GBP guaranteed by setting a bottom-line exchange rate.
If (unlikely as it seems ) the € recovers that prevents a loss in the other direction for those whose life is conducted in € currency.
I believe the offer is the same amount, but a minimum amount of GBP guaranteed by setting a bottom-line exchange rate.
If (unlikely as it seems ) the € recovers that prevents a loss in the other direction for those whose life is conducted in € currency.
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Very low terms and conditions in NLH: low pay,bad planned roster, cheap hotels.
Everybody is complaining , there are no trainers and it takes for ever to complete any training.
Hainan is receiving plenty of applications from NLH pilots.
Everybody is complaining , there are no trainers and it takes for ever to complete any training.
Hainan is receiving plenty of applications from NLH pilots.
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The NLH contract was drawn up with a BKK base in mind.
I have no idea whether it's competitive with other contracts drawn up in BKK (the airline would presumably say "Yes"!) but if the airline then tries to entice you onto the same deal by notionally recruiting you for a LGW base it's hardly surprising its not competitive in Euroland!
It doesn't matter whether you're paid in GBP, EUR or bananas, this is pure off-shoring and I hope the Norwegian Governments' appeal to the EU gets the whole matter clarified, and ultimately, knocked on the head. In addition, I trust the US DOT also continue to dig in...
By all means, sign up, but the subsequent pain is all self-inflicted.
I have no idea whether it's competitive with other contracts drawn up in BKK (the airline would presumably say "Yes"!) but if the airline then tries to entice you onto the same deal by notionally recruiting you for a LGW base it's hardly surprising its not competitive in Euroland!
It doesn't matter whether you're paid in GBP, EUR or bananas, this is pure off-shoring and I hope the Norwegian Governments' appeal to the EU gets the whole matter clarified, and ultimately, knocked on the head. In addition, I trust the US DOT also continue to dig in...
By all means, sign up, but the subsequent pain is all self-inflicted.
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Did someone mention Hainan?
Good luck with this. 3 day medicals. 3 liters of blood. CT & MRI scan . Echocardiogram. Carotid Ultrasound. Lymph node examination. Full drug and achohol screening.
If you are out of the archaic medical tolerences set by the CAAC , kar pow. Off you go . Bye bye .
Norweegian are one of the few carriers to employ direct entry commanders in europe. Period.
Is it worth the 30-40000 euros deposited in Norwegians bank account, probably not.
But some will want to live the dream ( liner) . Maybe not here though.
Good luck with this. 3 day medicals. 3 liters of blood. CT & MRI scan . Echocardiogram. Carotid Ultrasound. Lymph node examination. Full drug and achohol screening.
If you are out of the archaic medical tolerences set by the CAAC , kar pow. Off you go . Bye bye .
Norweegian are one of the few carriers to employ direct entry commanders in europe. Period.
Is it worth the 30-40000 euros deposited in Norwegians bank account, probably not.
But some will want to live the dream ( liner) . Maybe not here though.
