The salary and working conditions thread - 2015/16
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Age/what you would get now etc are irrelevant
Sure, roster, base, fatigue and paycheck are important issues, but all that is typical of pilot short term thinking (lacking the big picture/situational awareness
) and can change very quickly when a new manager wants to increase his bonus. Focusing on only these aspects is hardly a reliable reflection of the state of the airline industry.
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Rank: Capt
Current a/c type: Mixed MEP
Years in service: 1
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Aerial work
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 50
Monthly salary (before tax):
Monthly salary (after tax): £1490 take home pay
Any benefits?: No, although there was no bond when I started. Not sure if that's still the case. Crew are great to work with.
Happy (yes/no): No - being on permanent standby for months at a time gets weary very quickly and no chance of financial progression.
Current a/c type: Mixed MEP
Years in service: 1
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Aerial work
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 50
Monthly salary (before tax):
Monthly salary (after tax): £1490 take home pay
Any benefits?: No, although there was no bond when I started. Not sure if that's still the case. Crew are great to work with.
Happy (yes/no): No - being on permanent standby for months at a time gets weary very quickly and no chance of financial progression.
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Ziltoidia... indeed'd.
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Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: 320
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): SEA LCC
Base country: SEA
Hours per month (average): 82.5
Monthly salary (before tax): contractor
Monthly salary (after tax): average 8000 USD
Any benefits?: some staff travel is out there, I believe. Nothing else, except water and free flow of dry tissues and perdiem. Is the commuting roster a benefit?
Happy (yes/no): Depends on who you ask to. I'm ok but progression here is based on financials.
Current a/c type: 320
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): SEA LCC
Base country: SEA
Hours per month (average): 82.5
Monthly salary (before tax): contractor
Monthly salary (after tax): average 8000 USD
Any benefits?: some staff travel is out there, I believe. Nothing else, except water and free flow of dry tissues and perdiem. Is the commuting roster a benefit?
Happy (yes/no): Depends on who you ask to. I'm ok but progression here is based on financials.
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Rank: Capt.
Current a/c type: Turboprop
Years in service: <1
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):non airline
Base country: Sandy sh1thole
Hours per month (average): 5-10
Monthly salary (before tax): £10k
Monthly salary (after tax): No tax
Any benefits?: Free Accom, no bills, lots of holiday plus worldwide flights
Happy (yes/no): mixed. Bad work environment. Not enough flying, too much nause.
Current a/c type: Turboprop
Years in service: <1
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):non airline
Base country: Sandy sh1thole
Hours per month (average): 5-10
Monthly salary (before tax): £10k
Monthly salary (after tax): No tax
Any benefits?: Free Accom, no bills, lots of holiday plus worldwide flights
Happy (yes/no): mixed. Bad work environment. Not enough flying, too much nause.
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Location: Isle 6, Dairy produce
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Rank: Capt.
Current a/c type: TurboProp
Years in service: 9
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Cargo
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 30
Monthly salary (before tax): £5000 inc flight pay
Monthly salary (after tax): £3650 inc flight pay
Additional payments: NIL
Any benefits?: 3 days per week average. Some good day stops.
Happy (yes/no): Yes.
Current a/c type: TurboProp
Years in service: 9
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Cargo
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 30
Monthly salary (before tax): £5000 inc flight pay
Monthly salary (after tax): £3650 inc flight pay
Additional payments: NIL
Any benefits?: 3 days per week average. Some good day stops.
Happy (yes/no): Yes.
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Worldwide
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: Small Jet
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Private
Base country: Asia
Hours per month (average): Varies
Monthly salary (before tax): £10500 inc flight pay
Monthly salary (after tax): £9500 inc flight pay
Additional payments: NIL
Any benefits?: Variety, good crew.
Happy (yes/no): Yes.
Current a/c type: Small Jet
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Private
Base country: Asia
Hours per month (average): Varies
Monthly salary (before tax): £10500 inc flight pay
Monthly salary (after tax): £9500 inc flight pay
Additional payments: NIL
Any benefits?: Variety, good crew.
Happy (yes/no): Yes.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Vietnam
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Rank: Capt
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 24
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): national europe
Base country:
Hours per month (average): 75-80
Monthly salary (before tax): 12400 €
Monthly salary (after tax): 6800 €
Additional payments: 300 € per diem
Any benefits?: pension scheme, free flights
Happy (yes/no): just a job, good for family life, bit boring
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 24
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): national europe
Base country:
Hours per month (average): 75-80
Monthly salary (before tax): 12400 €
Monthly salary (after tax): 6800 €
Additional payments: 300 € per diem
Any benefits?: pension scheme, free flights
Happy (yes/no): just a job, good for family life, bit boring
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: phoenix, AZ, USA
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A320 series currently returning to 757/767 next month
27 years with company
carrier: US/AA
USA
I average 90 hrs/mo credit
Monthly USD 19800 before tax
Additional: 16% company pay into 401k, per diem average 550/mo
Benefits suck, crappy medical, staff travel on always full flights
Happy? Yes. Not crazy about the new merger, but pay is great, love the flying.
A320 series currently returning to 757/767 next month
27 years with company
carrier: US/AA
USA
I average 90 hrs/mo credit
Monthly USD 19800 before tax
Additional: 16% company pay into 401k, per diem average 550/mo
Benefits suck, crappy medical, staff travel on always full flights
Happy? Yes. Not crazy about the new merger, but pay is great, love the flying.
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Location: Earth
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: ERJ
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Flag carrier
Base country: Mexico
Hours per month (average): 70
Roster: 6 on 1 off, 8 hard days off a month
Monthly salary (after tax): $2,700 average with flight pay
Additional payments: Sector pay, around 800-1000 USD monthly per diem, groceries allowance, car gas allowance, parking allowance, Christmas bonus, monthly productivity bonus, vacation bonus
Any benefits?: Loss of license, medical, and dental insurance, 401k, pension, staff travel, hotel/restaurant/retail discounts
Happy (yes/no): Yes, only downside is time to upgrade close to eternity
Current a/c type: ERJ
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Flag carrier
Base country: Mexico
Hours per month (average): 70
Roster: 6 on 1 off, 8 hard days off a month
Monthly salary (after tax): $2,700 average with flight pay
Additional payments: Sector pay, around 800-1000 USD monthly per diem, groceries allowance, car gas allowance, parking allowance, Christmas bonus, monthly productivity bonus, vacation bonus
Any benefits?: Loss of license, medical, and dental insurance, 401k, pension, staff travel, hotel/restaurant/retail discounts
Happy (yes/no): Yes, only downside is time to upgrade close to eternity
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Europe
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Rank: SF/O
Current a/c type: short / medium haul jet
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Flag Carrier
Base country: Central Europe
Hours per month (average): 50-60
Monthly salary (before tax):
Monthly salary (after tax): EUR 6000.-
Additional payments: EUR 3 / duty hour flight pay, bonus pay if company performs well.
Any benefits?: loss of license, lots of vacay, great staff travel, free crew food, free uniform. Great career outlook.
Happy (yes/no): Very!
Current a/c type: short / medium haul jet
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Flag Carrier
Base country: Central Europe
Hours per month (average): 50-60
Monthly salary (before tax):
Monthly salary (after tax): EUR 6000.-
Additional payments: EUR 3 / duty hour flight pay, bonus pay if company performs well.
Any benefits?: loss of license, lots of vacay, great staff travel, free crew food, free uniform. Great career outlook.
Happy (yes/no): Very!
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: MAD
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: A320 series
Years in service: 5
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LAN
Base country: Chile
Hours per month (average): 75 (average), 35-50 sectors a month
Roster system: 7 days on, 4 days off
Monthly salary (before tax): 6200 USD (paid in CLP)
Monthly salary (after tax): 5100 USD (paid in CLP)
Additional payments: per diem
Any benefits?: staff travel, loss of license, medical benefits, transportation to airport, uniforms,
Happy (yes/no): could be better, but YES
Current a/c type: A320 series
Years in service: 5
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LAN
Base country: Chile
Hours per month (average): 75 (average), 35-50 sectors a month
Roster system: 7 days on, 4 days off
Monthly salary (before tax): 6200 USD (paid in CLP)
Monthly salary (after tax): 5100 USD (paid in CLP)
Additional payments: per diem
Any benefits?: staff travel, loss of license, medical benefits, transportation to airport, uniforms,
Happy (yes/no): could be better, but YES
Rank: Cpt
Current a/c type: G650
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Private Jet Management
Base country: Hong Kong
Hours per month (average): 30
Roster system: Usually good notice, 35 days annual leave
Monthly salary (before tax): 14500Euros/mth.
Monthly salary (after tax): 12000Euros/mth.
Additional payments: Housing 5000Euros/mth., per diem, low pension contr.
Any benefits?: Yearly travel lump sum, medical benefits,
Happy (yes/no): Yes!
Current a/c type: G650
Years in service: 3
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Private Jet Management
Base country: Hong Kong
Hours per month (average): 30
Roster system: Usually good notice, 35 days annual leave
Monthly salary (before tax): 14500Euros/mth.
Monthly salary (after tax): 12000Euros/mth.
Additional payments: Housing 5000Euros/mth., per diem, low pension contr.
Any benefits?: Yearly travel lump sum, medical benefits,
Happy (yes/no): Yes!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: FL360
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Rank:SFO
Current a/c type: B747-400
Years in service: Nine
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Long Haul Cargo
Base country: USA (on contract)
Hours per month (average):65
Monthly salary (before tax): 11909 USD
Monthly salary (after tax): 11909 USD
Additional payments: Per Diems $74 per day, O/T after 65 hours. Average monthly take home salary = around 14,250 USD
Any benefits?: Private health cover, death in service. No LoL, Staff travel nor pension.
Happy (yes/no):Yes, roster pattern is 10 days off straight per month but we usually gain extra days off. Can use 'gateway bases' to make commuting easier.
Current a/c type: B747-400
Years in service: Nine
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Long Haul Cargo
Base country: USA (on contract)
Hours per month (average):65
Monthly salary (before tax): 11909 USD
Monthly salary (after tax): 11909 USD
Additional payments: Per Diems $74 per day, O/T after 65 hours. Average monthly take home salary = around 14,250 USD
Any benefits?: Private health cover, death in service. No LoL, Staff travel nor pension.
Happy (yes/no):Yes, roster pattern is 10 days off straight per month but we usually gain extra days off. Can use 'gateway bases' to make commuting easier.
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Everyplace
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Rank: Capt.
Current a/c type: B737NG
Years in service: 11
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Aerolineas Argentinas
Base country: Argentina
Hours per month (average): 60/75 per month
Monthly salary (before tax): 7500 usd
Monthly salary (after tax): 5000 usd (paid in local money)
Additional payments: Per diem, extra 1,5 salary per year.
Any benefits?: Medical (good), uniform, , good travel staff benefits, life insurance, etc.
Happy (yes/no): Yes with the company (could be better), No with my country.
Current a/c type: B737NG
Years in service: 11
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Aerolineas Argentinas
Base country: Argentina
Hours per month (average): 60/75 per month
Monthly salary (before tax): 7500 usd
Monthly salary (after tax): 5000 usd (paid in local money)
Additional payments: Per diem, extra 1,5 salary per year.
Any benefits?: Medical (good), uniform, , good travel staff benefits, life insurance, etc.
Happy (yes/no): Yes with the company (could be better), No with my country.
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Europe
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: 737NG
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter Airline
Base country: Central Europe
Hours per month (average): 80 in the summer months, 40 in Winter
Monthly salary (before tax): 4400 Euros
Monthly salary (after tax): 3500 Euro average
Additional payments: Overtime pay, Per diem, Bonus payment
Any benefits?: Staff Travel on 30+ airlines, Uniform
Happy (yes/no): Yes
Current a/c type: 737NG
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter Airline
Base country: Central Europe
Hours per month (average): 80 in the summer months, 40 in Winter
Monthly salary (before tax): 4400 Euros
Monthly salary (after tax): 3500 Euro average
Additional payments: Overtime pay, Per diem, Bonus payment
Any benefits?: Staff Travel on 30+ airlines, Uniform
Happy (yes/no): Yes
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: 738
Years in service: 0.5 (6 months)
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): EU LCC
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 85
Monthly salary (before tax): 3500 EUR
Monthly salary (after tax): 2500 GBP
Additional payments: You must be joking.
Any benefits?: Staff Travel
Happy (yes/no): Yes, first flying job - living at home with g/f, received 1st preference base.
Current a/c type: 738
Years in service: 0.5 (6 months)
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): EU LCC
Base country: UK
Hours per month (average): 85
Monthly salary (before tax): 3500 EUR
Monthly salary (after tax): 2500 GBP
Additional payments: You must be joking.
Any benefits?: Staff Travel
Happy (yes/no): Yes, first flying job - living at home with g/f, received 1st preference base.
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Scandinavia
Age: 47
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 8
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter/ACMI
Base country: Scandinavia
Hours per month (average): Summer 90, Winter 30-40
Monthly salary (before tax): 4000 EUR (basic)
Monthly salary (after tax): 2800 EUR
Additional payments: Block hours >30 is paid extra by the hour
Any benefits?: Staff Travel, pension, LOL, Medical Insurance
Happy (yes/no): YES. Quite happy, although commuting takes it's toll on social life
Note: of course my uniform is paid!! How can some of you list this as a benefit?
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 8
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter/ACMI
Base country: Scandinavia
Hours per month (average): Summer 90, Winter 30-40
Monthly salary (before tax): 4000 EUR (basic)
Monthly salary (after tax): 2800 EUR
Additional payments: Block hours >30 is paid extra by the hour
Any benefits?: Staff Travel, pension, LOL, Medical Insurance
Happy (yes/no): YES. Quite happy, although commuting takes it's toll on social life
Note: of course my uniform is paid!! How can some of you list this as a benefit?
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Middle East
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LFC
Base country: UAE
Hours per month (average): 70
Monthly salary (before tax): 8800 EUR (all allowances included)
Monthly salary (after tax): 8800 EUR
Additional payments: 0
Any benefits?: yearly ticket
Happy (yes/no): Yes with the company, not so much with the place.
Current a/c type: A320
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LFC
Base country: UAE
Hours per month (average): 70
Monthly salary (before tax): 8800 EUR (all allowances included)
Monthly salary (after tax): 8800 EUR
Additional payments: 0
Any benefits?: yearly ticket
Happy (yes/no): Yes with the company, not so much with the place.
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: NW Africa / DFFD
Age: 44
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compensation
Rank: CPT
Current a/c type: DHC-6
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): FAA 135 provider
Base country: Burkina Faso
Hours per month (average): 85
Monthly salary (before tax): cherries start at $800/day or $24,000USD month
Monthly salary (after tax): figure federal tax at 26% or $5760/month. $18,240 take home after tax
Additional payments: all training is paid at half theather rate (training rate currently $400US/day), all food and accomendations while overseas or training domestically, per diem and direct hotel reimbursment on the road. Uniform replacement cash every year. Profit sharing within the company.
Any benefits?: full medical, dental, disability, and the best part- NO UNION. This means you are paid and promoted on compentecy and not seniority!
Happy (yes/no): Yes, paid to be a critically thinking captain, not a rules memorizer and the boss supports his crews decisions and defends them.
Current a/c type: DHC-6
Years in service: 2
Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): FAA 135 provider
Base country: Burkina Faso
Hours per month (average): 85
Monthly salary (before tax): cherries start at $800/day or $24,000USD month
Monthly salary (after tax): figure federal tax at 26% or $5760/month. $18,240 take home after tax
Additional payments: all training is paid at half theather rate (training rate currently $400US/day), all food and accomendations while overseas or training domestically, per diem and direct hotel reimbursment on the road. Uniform replacement cash every year. Profit sharing within the company.
Any benefits?: full medical, dental, disability, and the best part- NO UNION. This means you are paid and promoted on compentecy and not seniority!
Happy (yes/no): Yes, paid to be a critically thinking captain, not a rules memorizer and the boss supports his crews decisions and defends them.