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Aviation related stuff: First of all if you (or someone else its nothing personal I do never argument ad personam) paid 150 000 Euro to become a pilot then its that persons and not the systems fault. Cause it is possible to use 100 000 Euro to become a pilot with FI rating and get your very own private aircraft (used of course) included in that price. So maybe using 150 000 Euro is part of the reason why some people feel entitled to fly "the new shiny jet and a red carpet rolled out to them by the airlines". But its not how it works its about the skill, the work to improve yourself and learn all the time. Not getting a loan from "lånekassen" and then feeling entitled to a high salary and big shiny jet cause someone paid twice, triple or quadruple what was necessary to pay to get the licenses and training.
Just recently I read a post in the topic about Ryan Air assessment, where someone complained it was Ryan Air fault that he did not get employed and he used the argument that he finished a fancy expensive school and that people from that school got jobs at legacy carriers so it was almost impossible that he did something wrong it had to be the airlines fault. And the next argument was that other people from the fancy school (did not mention the name of the school) did not get the job at Ryan Air so that had to be the airlines fault....... While maybe the airlines like Ryan Air and Wizz Air actually assess the skill and dedication to flying instead of what school someone finished. I actually believe the airlines prefer when people do not feel "I am entitled to because" but rather are professional and work hard to learn as much as possible and do the best possible job because aviation is their passion not only a job.
As for flying as FI for a flight school and working for an airline well I do not know how it is in UK. But actually in Poland we got part time FIs flying for Ryan Air, LOT, Sprint Air, Enter Air and Wizz Air. And the airlines do not view it as something bad that people got a passion to fly or instruct in their free time. Actually the best FI I have been taught by (actually all of my FIs were great so I was lucky there, but one is really exceptional) is part time FI flying for the airlines normally, but he got a passion for flying and instructing and did not stop doing it after getting an airline job.
PS. Sorry everyone for the off topic part but just had to answer to 2unlimited. Rest of the post is aviation related and maybe some Wizz Air candidates may be interested in possibilities to be employed as a company and that its completely legal in Poland for example.
Just recently I read a post in the topic about Ryan Air assessment, where someone complained it was Ryan Air fault that he did not get employed and he used the argument that he finished a fancy expensive school and that people from that school got jobs at legacy carriers so it was almost impossible that he did something wrong it had to be the airlines fault. And the next argument was that other people from the fancy school (did not mention the name of the school) did not get the job at Ryan Air so that had to be the airlines fault....... While maybe the airlines like Ryan Air and Wizz Air actually assess the skill and dedication to flying instead of what school someone finished. I actually believe the airlines prefer when people do not feel "I am entitled to because" but rather are professional and work hard to learn as much as possible and do the best possible job because aviation is their passion not only a job.
As for flying as FI for a flight school and working for an airline well I do not know how it is in UK. But actually in Poland we got part time FIs flying for Ryan Air, LOT, Sprint Air, Enter Air and Wizz Air. And the airlines do not view it as something bad that people got a passion to fly or instruct in their free time. Actually the best FI I have been taught by (actually all of my FIs were great so I was lucky there, but one is really exceptional) is part time FI flying for the airlines normally, but he got a passion for flying and instructing and did not stop doing it after getting an airline job.
PS. Sorry everyone for the off topic part but just had to answer to 2unlimited. Rest of the post is aviation related and maybe some Wizz Air candidates may be interested in possibilities to be employed as a company and that its completely legal in Poland for example.
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@2unlimited: It should be relevant to the topic if pilots in Wizz Air or Ryan Air can or can not fly as FI. Pilots in LOT (and only LOT got the wide-body with a base in Poland as an later career option for their pilots but I will also be very happy with Wizz Air or Ryan Air or Enter Air or Sprint Air) can for sure and officially (but most of them do not get close to 900 hours per year) both as FI for SEP, MEP and IR. What I know for sure is that the FI regulation says that you can do 8 hours flight instructing per 24 hours and they are not restricted to 900 hours per year. So maybe those hours as FI do not count for the amount of hours done for the airline. I am pretty sure that is the case but cannot provide a link to the information since google search does not give a clear answer. But I do believe it must be the case because every instructor fill his hours into the log book and I can not believe that such a lot of instructors in the whole country do not know the regulations and that the Flight Schools also do not know about them. I will try to get some more info but its the only possibility I can see that makes any sense, or else some of the expensive flight schools would already "shout out loud" that instructors can not work for airlines while being instructors part time.
As for the profession its still about flying and doing your best for the company I believe. As for your news about Wizz Air I have never ever read about it in any article on the web so I do not know how you got the info that you can just buy yourself a slot as pilot without passing the assessment. From what I have read even the pay to fly companies actually require people to pass an assessment and have certain skill the only thing they pay for is not having to compete with others for the spot in the cockpit but they still have to have a certain skill and knowledge level. So I do not know where you got that info that you can just buy the FO seat at Wizz Air since they are not even having a pay to fly program. As for 1400 euro netto tax free in low cost nation compared with 3500 brutto I pick the low cost every day if a car cost 1/4 the price its still more car per hour than in the high cost nation. Same goes for food, housing etc. itd. Not to mention all the freedoms you get in everyday life like driving on autobahn and not risking jail and ending your career (a pilot who get jail sentence can probably forget to ever be security cleared, and there is only one place on earth where you can get in jail for speeding). But I do really not wish to write more about off topic stuff to not pollute the thread for people who wish to read only about Wizz Air. So I am trying to keep it relevant like salaries and possibility to be FI or not in addition to the job.
As for the profession its still about flying and doing your best for the company I believe. As for your news about Wizz Air I have never ever read about it in any article on the web so I do not know how you got the info that you can just buy yourself a slot as pilot without passing the assessment. From what I have read even the pay to fly companies actually require people to pass an assessment and have certain skill the only thing they pay for is not having to compete with others for the spot in the cockpit but they still have to have a certain skill and knowledge level. So I do not know where you got that info that you can just buy the FO seat at Wizz Air since they are not even having a pay to fly program. As for 1400 euro netto tax free in low cost nation compared with 3500 brutto I pick the low cost every day if a car cost 1/4 the price its still more car per hour than in the high cost nation. Same goes for food, housing etc. itd. Not to mention all the freedoms you get in everyday life like driving on autobahn and not risking jail and ending your career (a pilot who get jail sentence can probably forget to ever be security cleared, and there is only one place on earth where you can get in jail for speeding). But I do really not wish to write more about off topic stuff to not pollute the thread for people who wish to read only about Wizz Air. So I am trying to keep it relevant like salaries and possibility to be FI or not in addition to the job.
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This might be a rumour but I've heard from a recent cadet in Wizz that after you finish your bonded time they offer an amount (around 9k) to sign back in the company. I imagine this is to keep the talent from leaving so quick when their time is up. I don't have this guys contact anymore to verify so true or not?
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Your last 2 lines say everything. As a RYR pilot(just glancing into the Wizz thread to see how things run in the east, bad, as usual) I can say that I joined RYR AFTER they changed that you had to pay for TR, even interview. Would not have gone for them, was staying with a scrappier operator for 6 years because I REFUSE to pay typeratings. Like they would make a judge pay for the courtroom, or his years in university. No(at least in good old western europe) university is more or less for free(some exceptions exist, agree, but that is a minority). Why would a pilot have to pay for his Typerating? Doing this job already over 25 years, bonding is fine(IF it is not more then 3 years of course), paying is a big NONO.
When I started in aviation it was normal that you would not pay for a TR IF you stick around till the bond expires. Some left earlier, normally they never made you pay(if you worked and left in a decent way, common sense, missing a lot nowadays, agree on that). Then some new generation started, maybe just TO overkeen to be a pilot, maybe lacking really on all required skills, but they still wanted to do it. SO? What they did? Knocking on company doors being already with a TR and still wet behind the ears....
And then it all started. Still remember that you had to pay 150(?) Pounds(Euros?) to even APPLY to Ryanair. Just always laughed when I have seen that. And had my not very nice thoughts about pilots applying there letting their pants down....
What I want to say? EVERY pilot need to think BEFORE even becoming a pilot WHY he/she would do that to him/herself and MORE IMPORTANTLY to their(most likely) more talented collegues which have been able to land jobs without paying for typeratings. Of course the market gets corrupted by "wannebes" and (crappy) airlines are quickly adopting to that new situation by generally saying - "hey, if you want a job you have to take what we offer - pay typerating, application, sometimes even the bloody simulator for the interview".
Now, Ryanair realized that in order to get enough AND good pilots they need to skip that crap. There is still enough that is bad(paying your own uniform, parking, no crewfood, drinks, and and and) BUT at least TR are provided with a bond.
Seems Wizz still manages to survive without that. Good for them(wonder who is desperate enough to go there, was once on one of their interviews in BUD, was not impressed and as they did not offer BUD base(lol) never bothered to waste another thought on them).
About Easy. Well, it IS an UK "culture" they maintaining, so reporting is of course an issue. Not much different with their irish friends in Ryanair. FDM IS the BIGGEST friend of the management. Money, respective "package" is not everything. Or, in this case, go China or AJX, then at least we are talking REAL money and package.
Sorry if to much off topic for being a Wizz thread. But I guess I made my point.
P.S.: FI. Well, IF someone flying close to 900 hours is still crazy enough to crawl into a small tin box and doing even more hours then something might be wrong with him(or he should GA, some guys there do not take duty times and block hour restrictions not OVERLY serious. Was there as well, know what I am writning about). But yes(of course), they do not want you to waste THEIR time(that they are paying you for, do not forget) as a private FI(payed if you are on FR contract which I would strongly suggest).
Ryanair is VERY serious about convincing low time FO into SFI positions(and they teach us how to fly, love that part ^^), so there is a big chance for FO to do that WITHIN the company. Outside, no.
Your last 2 lines say everything. As a RYR pilot(just glancing into the Wizz thread to see how things run in the east, bad, as usual) I can say that I joined RYR AFTER they changed that you had to pay for TR, even interview. Would not have gone for them, was staying with a scrappier operator for 6 years because I REFUSE to pay typeratings. Like they would make a judge pay for the courtroom, or his years in university. No(at least in good old western europe) university is more or less for free(some exceptions exist, agree, but that is a minority). Why would a pilot have to pay for his Typerating? Doing this job already over 25 years, bonding is fine(IF it is not more then 3 years of course), paying is a big NONO.
When I started in aviation it was normal that you would not pay for a TR IF you stick around till the bond expires. Some left earlier, normally they never made you pay(if you worked and left in a decent way, common sense, missing a lot nowadays, agree on that). Then some new generation started, maybe just TO overkeen to be a pilot, maybe lacking really on all required skills, but they still wanted to do it. SO? What they did? Knocking on company doors being already with a TR and still wet behind the ears....
And then it all started. Still remember that you had to pay 150(?) Pounds(Euros?) to even APPLY to Ryanair. Just always laughed when I have seen that. And had my not very nice thoughts about pilots applying there letting their pants down....
What I want to say? EVERY pilot need to think BEFORE even becoming a pilot WHY he/she would do that to him/herself and MORE IMPORTANTLY to their(most likely) more talented collegues which have been able to land jobs without paying for typeratings. Of course the market gets corrupted by "wannebes" and (crappy) airlines are quickly adopting to that new situation by generally saying - "hey, if you want a job you have to take what we offer - pay typerating, application, sometimes even the bloody simulator for the interview".
Now, Ryanair realized that in order to get enough AND good pilots they need to skip that crap. There is still enough that is bad(paying your own uniform, parking, no crewfood, drinks, and and and) BUT at least TR are provided with a bond.
Seems Wizz still manages to survive without that. Good for them(wonder who is desperate enough to go there, was once on one of their interviews in BUD, was not impressed and as they did not offer BUD base(lol) never bothered to waste another thought on them).
About Easy. Well, it IS an UK "culture" they maintaining, so reporting is of course an issue. Not much different with their irish friends in Ryanair. FDM IS the BIGGEST friend of the management. Money, respective "package" is not everything. Or, in this case, go China or AJX, then at least we are talking REAL money and package.
Sorry if to much off topic for being a Wizz thread. But I guess I made my point.
P.S.: FI. Well, IF someone flying close to 900 hours is still crazy enough to crawl into a small tin box and doing even more hours then something might be wrong with him(or he should GA, some guys there do not take duty times and block hour restrictions not OVERLY serious. Was there as well, know what I am writning about). But yes(of course), they do not want you to waste THEIR time(that they are paying you for, do not forget) as a private FI(payed if you are on FR contract which I would strongly suggest).
Ryanair is VERY serious about convincing low time FO into SFI positions(and they teach us how to fly, love that part ^^), so there is a big chance for FO to do that WITHIN the company. Outside, no.
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This might be a rumour but I've heard from a recent cadet in Wizz that after you finish your bonded time they offer an amount (around 9k) to sign back in the company. I imagine this is to keep the talent from leaving so quick when their time is up. I don't have this guys contact anymore to verify so true or not?
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Now, Ryanair realized that in order to get enough AND good pilots they need to skip that crap. There is still enough that is bad(paying your own uniform, parking, no crewfood, drinks, and and and) BUT at least TR are provided with a bond.
Seems Wizz still manages to survive without that. Good for them(wonder who is desperate enough to go there, was once on one of their interviews in BUD, was not impressed and as they did not offer BUD base(lol) never bothered to waste another thought on them).
Now, Ryanair realized that in order to get enough AND good pilots they need to skip that crap. There is still enough that is bad(paying your own uniform, parking, no crewfood, drinks, and and and) BUT at least TR are provided with a bond.
Seems Wizz still manages to survive without that. Good for them(wonder who is desperate enough to go there, was once on one of their interviews in BUD, was not impressed and as they did not offer BUD base(lol) never bothered to waste another thought on them).
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@tomuchwork: One of my instructors got a spot at Wizz Air with base in Kutaisi (but an option to later on get a base in Poland) I did not hear that he had to pay any type rating up in front. But maybe they deduct it from salary later on. Of course since the base is in Kutaisi he does not have any possibility to fly as FI other than when being on holiday or some other time off in Poland (I have not actually seen him at the school since he started his type rating so I do not know if Wizz Air do not let their pilots fly as FI or if the flight time as FI counts towards the total 900 hours in airline per year but I believe it does not). What I do know is that there are part time instructors from Ryan Air instructing all over Poland (so it must be legal or else someone would prove otherwise) and definitely there are official part time instructors from LOT and the airline have nothing against it (but as I said I did not hear anyone flew 900 hours at LOT per year).
As for the part why instruct? What about actually enjoying flying, people write like if it was a normal boring job behind a desk and not flying that the pilots do. And this "crazy enough to crawl into a small tin box and doing even more hours then something might be wrong with him" is actually almost insulting many dedicated instructors who actually like to teach people to fly and enjoy flying the smaller aircraft just as much as they enjoy flying in the airline (In Poland there are actually many people who closed their businesses or put someone in their family to run them just to fly and they do not care its much less money than they had from the business, for them its 100 % enjoying the job.). I do not know how it is in the UK or other places, but in Poland I have actually not met an instructor who do not like to fly. Tired after a whole day of instructing of course but not liking to fly.... did not happen. There are jobs behind a desk that give more money, pilotage is also about enjoying flying at least its what I do believe and what I saw my instructors do.... especially the most dedicated instructor.
As for the part why instruct? What about actually enjoying flying, people write like if it was a normal boring job behind a desk and not flying that the pilots do. And this "crazy enough to crawl into a small tin box and doing even more hours then something might be wrong with him" is actually almost insulting many dedicated instructors who actually like to teach people to fly and enjoy flying the smaller aircraft just as much as they enjoy flying in the airline (In Poland there are actually many people who closed their businesses or put someone in their family to run them just to fly and they do not care its much less money than they had from the business, for them its 100 % enjoying the job.). I do not know how it is in the UK or other places, but in Poland I have actually not met an instructor who do not like to fly. Tired after a whole day of instructing of course but not liking to fly.... did not happen. There are jobs behind a desk that give more money, pilotage is also about enjoying flying at least its what I do believe and what I saw my instructors do.... especially the most dedicated instructor.
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Wizz destroyed Malev, and nearly destroyed LOT, time will tell if LOT will survive, as LOT at least are trying to do things the right way, giving their employees proper conditions, but Wizz are much the TC's of the whole industry towards the bottom.
That comment is wrong, LOT does not give there employees a proper contract for the last couple of years LOT has been giving there employees a self employment contract, no vacation pay, no sick, no liability insurance, no per dimes, remember thats a national airline, owned by the state. Wizzair is the only airline in Poland that offers a local contract, the rest Ryanair, Enter, LOT are self employment. Also for the type rating you can pay for or have it deducted from your pay for 3/4 years, and have half the money payed back after those years from the company. Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t British airways starting charging there cadets 18000 pounds for a type rating, or Easyjet 35000 pounds. Were is the justification in the cost for those type ratings.
That comment is wrong, LOT does not give there employees a proper contract for the last couple of years LOT has been giving there employees a self employment contract, no vacation pay, no sick, no liability insurance, no per dimes, remember thats a national airline, owned by the state. Wizzair is the only airline in Poland that offers a local contract, the rest Ryanair, Enter, LOT are self employment. Also for the type rating you can pay for or have it deducted from your pay for 3/4 years, and have half the money payed back after those years from the company. Correct me if I’m wrong but hasn’t British airways starting charging there cadets 18000 pounds for a type rating, or Easyjet 35000 pounds. Were is the justification in the cost for those type ratings.
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Well since Wizz Air is paying those salaries in nations where you can be employed as a company legally and where the cost of living is much lower then it have to be relevant to this topic. Being able to get employed as a company is a great bonus to the pilot especially in nations like Poland where you can get as low company tax as 9% or 19 % flat with possibility to get value added tax refunds on everything relevant to performing your job. I have not heard about many pilots in Poland who would prefer to pay 32 % tax and not be able to deduct costs from the tax in exchange for..... nothing extra from the state.
Its also relevant that for example in Poland a Wizz Air captain can buy a nice 300 m2 home for like 290 000 Euro, in Scandinavia such a home would cost about 630 000 Euro (Norway). So is it really a joke if a captain earn 45 000 Euro in Wizz Air in Poland and for example a Captain in SAS earn 105 000 Euro but have to pay 36 % tax from over half of it and then 47 % from the rest of it. And then the captain from SAS have to pay over double the price for his house, he have to pay from double to quadruple price for his car depending on the engine he wish if its 2.0 TDI he gets away with double price but if its 6.0 V12 then the price will be quadruple. The if he goes to a shop to buy food he will pay at least double, then if he go for restaurant he will pay at least triple price......
So its definitely relevant to the topic what can the pilot get for his salary in the country of residence given by the airline. Of course Wizz Air could pay more but that is a different story than the fact that it does you little good with a double salary if everything is over double as expensive and the tax is much higher. As for Ryan Air from what I heard some captains can make about 100 000 Euro per year with a base in Poland, while I know for sure some FOs get many months with like 4500 Euro ++ per month and base in Poland that is of course included every bonus etc. I do not know about salaries in Wizz Air but I believe they also get some bonuses and that the 20 000 and 45 000 are base salaries with no bonus. And then it suddenly definitely does not look like a joke taking into account different taxation and prices in Poland.
Its also relevant that for example in Poland a Wizz Air captain can buy a nice 300 m2 home for like 290 000 Euro, in Scandinavia such a home would cost about 630 000 Euro (Norway). So is it really a joke if a captain earn 45 000 Euro in Wizz Air in Poland and for example a Captain in SAS earn 105 000 Euro but have to pay 36 % tax from over half of it and then 47 % from the rest of it. And then the captain from SAS have to pay over double the price for his house, he have to pay from double to quadruple price for his car depending on the engine he wish if its 2.0 TDI he gets away with double price but if its 6.0 V12 then the price will be quadruple. The if he goes to a shop to buy food he will pay at least double, then if he go for restaurant he will pay at least triple price......
So its definitely relevant to the topic what can the pilot get for his salary in the country of residence given by the airline. Of course Wizz Air could pay more but that is a different story than the fact that it does you little good with a double salary if everything is over double as expensive and the tax is much higher. As for Ryan Air from what I heard some captains can make about 100 000 Euro per year with a base in Poland, while I know for sure some FOs get many months with like 4500 Euro ++ per month and base in Poland that is of course included every bonus etc. I do not know about salaries in Wizz Air but I believe they also get some bonuses and that the 20 000 and 45 000 are base salaries with no bonus. And then it suddenly definitely does not look like a joke taking into account different taxation and prices in Poland.
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It's probably flight pay on top of that, which in Wizz Air depends on air distance travelled and landings (I hope both as PF and PNF).
Yep, I did some research in the meanwhile
By the way LOT T&C's are far from good. Their pilots are all employed through LOT Crew as contractors. And many left to Wizz and Ryanair AFAIK.
Yep, I did some research in the meanwhile
By the way LOT T&C's are far from good. Their pilots are all employed through LOT Crew as contractors. And many left to Wizz and Ryanair AFAIK.
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@2unlimited: Well I believe you talk from a pilot based in UK perspective and then I can understand that maybe while living in UK and being employed as a company means bending the law. I thought about Wizz Air pilots based in Poland and I believe the Switzerland thing is for people based in nations where being employed as company is not legal. Because in Poland both LOT and Ryan Air do it the way I described with no Switzerland involved so I do think Wizz Air would not wish to create a complicated scheme for something that is totally legal in Poland and do not require a Swiss contract. As for the pilots employed in UK, Germany and France I believe they prefer to be employees than being employed as a company because of the benefits you talk about. But here I was talking about Polish pilots with bases in Poland who like living in their homeland and between them you will really find very few who wish to not be self employed and pay 32 % tax. I have not heard any instructor flying for the airlines say he would rather pay more tax and not get any extra benefit from the state. So what is popular in UK does not have to be popular in Poland and Wizz Air got most bases in the Eastern Europe.
As for SAS salaries the last I heard was that captain salary is about 1.000.000 NOK brutto and that converted is about 105 250 Euro, maybe they got something extra recently since salaries everywhere are improving. As for the housing I believe you are back in 1990s if you say homes in Poland do not get heating or electricity and that the government control it, you would really struggle to get a house in Norway for 700 000 Euro with the standard of a Polish house for 300 000 Euro. I do not know if its allowed to post links on the forum but I can PM you a link to luxury houses in Poland for 300 000 Euro that you will not find for 700 000 Euro in Norway for example. Of course Germany and France is a totally different case there maybe the Wizz Air offer would not be money wise attractive but the Ryan Air one from Poland well some captains get a really nice netto salary in Poland, you would have to get Lufthansa or KLM etc. to beat that after tax and how many spots (especially for captains I read some wait like 10-20 years to become captain there) are there at legacy carriers? Oh and I hope no one find this post polluting the topic because its definitely relevant for terms and conditions where you are going to get a base, what you will pay in tax and what cost of living you will have. Its also relevant for pilots to know I believe that they do not risk housing with no electricity and heating if they get a base in Poland unless they rent a shack in the middle of a forest.
PS. From what I heard in Poland for those who dream about great salaries the dream is rather Emirates (personally I would not wish to live in Dubai just to get more money (only the wide-body aircraft would be tempting), if I could choose freely then 787 at LOT would be perfect for my dreams (but I will really enjoy any aircraft at any airline), so I understand your Cluj example) than Lufthansa or KLM, so I believe there are differences between where pilots originate from that shape their beliefs or expectations.
As for SAS salaries the last I heard was that captain salary is about 1.000.000 NOK brutto and that converted is about 105 250 Euro, maybe they got something extra recently since salaries everywhere are improving. As for the housing I believe you are back in 1990s if you say homes in Poland do not get heating or electricity and that the government control it, you would really struggle to get a house in Norway for 700 000 Euro with the standard of a Polish house for 300 000 Euro. I do not know if its allowed to post links on the forum but I can PM you a link to luxury houses in Poland for 300 000 Euro that you will not find for 700 000 Euro in Norway for example. Of course Germany and France is a totally different case there maybe the Wizz Air offer would not be money wise attractive but the Ryan Air one from Poland well some captains get a really nice netto salary in Poland, you would have to get Lufthansa or KLM etc. to beat that after tax and how many spots (especially for captains I read some wait like 10-20 years to become captain there) are there at legacy carriers? Oh and I hope no one find this post polluting the topic because its definitely relevant for terms and conditions where you are going to get a base, what you will pay in tax and what cost of living you will have. Its also relevant for pilots to know I believe that they do not risk housing with no electricity and heating if they get a base in Poland unless they rent a shack in the middle of a forest.
PS. From what I heard in Poland for those who dream about great salaries the dream is rather Emirates (personally I would not wish to live in Dubai just to get more money (only the wide-body aircraft would be tempting), if I could choose freely then 787 at LOT would be perfect for my dreams (but I will really enjoy any aircraft at any airline), so I understand your Cluj example) than Lufthansa or KLM, so I believe there are differences between where pilots originate from that shape their beliefs or expectations.
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For NTR FOs the bond is 4 years, monthly deductions of 415 euros from your salary. You get paid a bonus of 10k euros on the 49th month of work. For those willing to stay with the company for 4 years or more this is not a bad deal at all.
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Living in Poland for 5 years is not a problem for me. I lived already for a couple of years there and did like it.
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Don't know exactly when it was changed, at least I know this is applicable to future cadets myself included. Life in Poland has improved significantly in recent years, one cannot put all Eastern European countries in the same basket, there are some big disparities between them.
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@2unlimited: From what I read you write here (I did not read your 800 posts on the forum) it looks like you actually worked for Wizz Air and that is how you know what they tell you to do or what rules they got? Or is it something you heard other people say? Because from what I heard while speaking with Wizz Air pilots it did not look like that they make you sign a Switzerland deal and you can do the same as LOT and Ryan Air does. That is accept your local company. But I will ask just to know, there is not only Wizz Air that got bases in Poland and for example personally I just somehow feel more for Boeing and also Embraer or Bombardier (CRJ, but I would not be unhappy if LOT offered Q400 as first job) aircraft than Airbus (But I would of course be very happy with Airbus if that was what I was offered when getting an airline job its not the point to start thinking what aircraft you like best or dream of flying).
As for contracts I would always still prefer being employed as a company no matter what kind of job I did because it gives me more freedom and also to do my own taxes. And actually in Poland (and probably many other nations also in western Europe and US) even if you are employed as an employee you can still get fired if you fail at a normal desk job. So failing in a pilot job (where you are responsible for the life of many passengers + ground personnel) should not surprise anyone that the company may decide to fire someone they find out is not up to the job. Just like you wrote about that pilot who failed the ILS and they still gave him a chance (maybe it was as you said a bribe but if you did not see anyone bribing or got it confirmed somehow (its speculation then), then maybe they believed he would get better/learn) but it proved later on he did not train himself up to the job. Imagine the case from the other side of an business owner, if you had an employee who fail at stuff or skip his tasks, or insult other employees etc. itd. you name it, would you like not being able to fire the person even if he did not have responsibility for human life like the pilot? Or the other way around if you were a captain (maybe you are as I said I did not read your 800 previous posts) would you like to have an unfirable copilot in the cockpit who fail doing his tasks all the time and do not learn with time?
As for contracts I would always still prefer being employed as a company no matter what kind of job I did because it gives me more freedom and also to do my own taxes. And actually in Poland (and probably many other nations also in western Europe and US) even if you are employed as an employee you can still get fired if you fail at a normal desk job. So failing in a pilot job (where you are responsible for the life of many passengers + ground personnel) should not surprise anyone that the company may decide to fire someone they find out is not up to the job. Just like you wrote about that pilot who failed the ILS and they still gave him a chance (maybe it was as you said a bribe but if you did not see anyone bribing or got it confirmed somehow (its speculation then), then maybe they believed he would get better/learn) but it proved later on he did not train himself up to the job. Imagine the case from the other side of an business owner, if you had an employee who fail at stuff or skip his tasks, or insult other employees etc. itd. you name it, would you like not being able to fire the person even if he did not have responsibility for human life like the pilot? Or the other way around if you were a captain (maybe you are as I said I did not read your 800 previous posts) would you like to have an unfirable copilot in the cockpit who fail doing his tasks all the time and do not learn with time?