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Thanks hugmie. How busy are Katowice and Gdansk base? A friend of mine is going to be based in Krakow and I expect also that base to get bigger over time. Is Vienna also hard/next to impossible to to get like WAW?
As for Luton, do they require to transfer the license to the UK CAA to operate under the UK AOC?
As for Luton, do they require to transfer the license to the UK CAA to operate under the UK AOC?
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@Flytster: Well you have to pay the legal tax of course but you are free to choose where you live as a pilot. For example as a pilot I can live in Poland and pay the minimal ZUS for companies + 19 % linear tax for companies (I am not yet done with my fATPL + FI but I own a plane that I rent) instead of for example 47 % tax in Norway and extra tax on everything you can imagine is fun to have (like a car) in your daily life + tax if you own more than about 150 000 Euro (because you keep investing your money for example instead of spending it wildly on unnecessary things). And its not barely legal but 100 % legal to live wherever you wish to live in Europe if you are a pilot and you have to pay the tax in the country where your company is active. As a pilot you are actually flying everywhere where the airline want you to so some people can probably have an official base in Switzerland and where they do actually live depends on where they are actually performing their work for the airline. As for me the Polish system is currently good enough after living in Norway its almost as a tax free heaven. As for social security, pension, health insurance.... you get much more "bang for your buck" if you buy private insurance and keep saving your money in some stock fund or keep investing in aircraft, flats, homes for rent literally anything (except for risky shares or scams) will be much much much better than government programs that are invented to make you pay more than you get back as pension.
PS. You do not make a deal with society, over 50 % of society do not even vote. You are being governed by politicians and as a pilot in addition to having the best job in the world (Its almost not a job (maybe except the paperwork bit) because its fun and enjoyable so its almost as being paid to do something you love) you are able to say "I do not like this government so I move somewhere where the government suit me". Try that with any other land based job (other than being a stock trader) without knowing the local language to where you wish to move.
PS. You do not make a deal with society, over 50 % of society do not even vote. You are being governed by politicians and as a pilot in addition to having the best job in the world (Its almost not a job (maybe except the paperwork bit) because its fun and enjoyable so its almost as being paid to do something you love) you are able to say "I do not like this government so I move somewhere where the government suit me". Try that with any other land based job (other than being a stock trader) without knowing the local language to where you wish to move.
First of all you pay taxes in the country you live, not necessary in the country you work, in the case you are commuting. Double tax treaty.
See how great a society is if you break your foot, or loose your medical, temporary unfit etc., and how much Wizz will pay you a month? You might believe you are invincible when you are 18 or 23, but sooner or later you will most likely want to have a family, you probably will have a few children, who you want to send to school to get a good education. You will buy your car in Poland, send them to a Polish school, and when you get sick with Wizz, your pay will be at best 25% of your normal salary. As they don't have such great benefits as you might have in Norway.
Now I am getting a slight sense of where you come from, what would your opportunities have been if your parents have had the same views and acted on them? Obviously you are paying less tax, you are making less money, there are less things in your society to support you if your life does not work as you expect it to.
Norway is not a Socialist country, I suggest you teach yourself the definition of a socialist country, because you have no idea.
You have had free education, free health care, and live in a society well advanced of Poland, no offence towards the Polish, however you can not compare lifestyle, quality of life in Poland and Norway.
You have had benefits in Norway, that people from Poland can only dream of, and trust me I have traveled extensively in Poland, and I would not move there just because I would be paying less tax.
You are talking from extremely selfish view, with no idea of the reality. As you are studying your ATPL theory at the moment, and you believe your dream job, will always be this for you, I can assure you after 12 months with Wizz, your views will have changed 180 degrees.
I have seen multiple guys after working between 6 - 12 months with Wizz, leave aviation, to never return to flying again, both FO's and Captains.
How much do you think it will cost you every month if you was going to pay for private healthcare, private insurance for both health care and sickpay, private schools for your children, maybe private fire services too? Police?
You have no idea of how lucky you are, equally you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Wizz is a company that stretches every legal limit they can, and they will even go beyond the legal limits when and if they can get away with it. And they prey on naive ignorant people like you to do it.
I say to all Wizz is a good start to get experience, but don't get stuck there, as I assure you it will kill your love for the job very quickly.
I have to admit the last part of your statement makes you sound like you might only be 14, fjortis, do you think only Pilots can live in different countries then where they come from?
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I struggle to see or understand what you are trying to say. As it does seems you lack some basic skills in grammar. Maybe some punctuation, commas and space between the lines would help. I recommend you study this before sending out your CV.
First of all you pay taxes in the country you live, not necessary in the country you work, in the case you are commuting. Double tax treaty.
See how great a society is if you break your foot, or loose your medical, temporary unfit etc., and how much Wizz will pay you a month? You might believe you are invincible when you are 18 or 23, but sooner or later you will most likely want to have a family, you probably will have a few children, who you want to send to school to get a good education. You will buy your car in Poland, send them to a Polish school, and when you get sick with Wizz, your pay will be at best 25% of your normal salary. As they don't have such great benefits as you might have in Norway.
Now I am getting a slight sense of where you come from, what would your opportunities have been if your parents have had the same views and acted on them? Obviously you are paying less tax, you are making less money, there are less things in your society to support you if your life does not work as you expect it to.
Norway is not a Socialist country, I suggest you teach yourself the definition of a socialist country, because you have no idea.
You have had free education, free health care, and live in a society well advanced of Poland, no offence towards the Polish, however you can not compare lifestyle, quality of life in Poland and Norway.
You have had benefits in Norway, that people from Poland can only dream of, and trust me I have traveled extensively in Poland, and I would not move there just because I would be paying less tax.
You are talking from extremely selfish view, with no idea of the reality. As you are studying your ATPL theory at the moment, and you believe your dream job, will always be this for you, I can assure you after 12 months with Wizz, your views will have changed 180 degrees.
I have seen multiple guys after working between 6 - 12 months with Wizz, leave aviation, to never return to flying again, both FO's and Captains.
How much do you think it will cost you every month if you was going to pay for private healthcare, private insurance for both health care and sickpay, private schools for your children, maybe private fire services too? Police?
You have no idea of how lucky you are, equally you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Wizz is a company that stretches every legal limit they can, and they will even go beyond the legal limits when and if they can get away with it. And they prey on naive ignorant people like you to do it.
I say to all Wizz is a good start to get experience, but don't get stuck there, as I assure you it will kill your love for the job very quickly.
I have to admit the last part of your statement makes you sound like you might only be 14, fjortis, do you think only Pilots can live in different countries then where they come from?
First of all you pay taxes in the country you live, not necessary in the country you work, in the case you are commuting. Double tax treaty.
See how great a society is if you break your foot, or loose your medical, temporary unfit etc., and how much Wizz will pay you a month? You might believe you are invincible when you are 18 or 23, but sooner or later you will most likely want to have a family, you probably will have a few children, who you want to send to school to get a good education. You will buy your car in Poland, send them to a Polish school, and when you get sick with Wizz, your pay will be at best 25% of your normal salary. As they don't have such great benefits as you might have in Norway.
Now I am getting a slight sense of where you come from, what would your opportunities have been if your parents have had the same views and acted on them? Obviously you are paying less tax, you are making less money, there are less things in your society to support you if your life does not work as you expect it to.
Norway is not a Socialist country, I suggest you teach yourself the definition of a socialist country, because you have no idea.
You have had free education, free health care, and live in a society well advanced of Poland, no offence towards the Polish, however you can not compare lifestyle, quality of life in Poland and Norway.
You have had benefits in Norway, that people from Poland can only dream of, and trust me I have traveled extensively in Poland, and I would not move there just because I would be paying less tax.
You are talking from extremely selfish view, with no idea of the reality. As you are studying your ATPL theory at the moment, and you believe your dream job, will always be this for you, I can assure you after 12 months with Wizz, your views will have changed 180 degrees.
I have seen multiple guys after working between 6 - 12 months with Wizz, leave aviation, to never return to flying again, both FO's and Captains.
How much do you think it will cost you every month if you was going to pay for private healthcare, private insurance for both health care and sickpay, private schools for your children, maybe private fire services too? Police?
You have no idea of how lucky you are, equally you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Wizz is a company that stretches every legal limit they can, and they will even go beyond the legal limits when and if they can get away with it. And they prey on naive ignorant people like you to do it.
I say to all Wizz is a good start to get experience, but don't get stuck there, as I assure you it will kill your love for the job very quickly.
I have to admit the last part of your statement makes you sound like you might only be 14, fjortis, do you think only Pilots can live in different countries then where they come from?
very very well put 2unlimited.
as a half Pole myself, having lived whole of my life in a “socialist” country in Scandinavia, with a few adult years abroad in the Eastern Promises I could not agree more with what you say.
i can also relate in a way to the views of our antagonist. Having multiple close friends, and family in the same region.
there are deep scars in their population regarding “socialism” from the oppression from the soviet times. This explains the views of especially young people with especially well paid jobs, mostly everyone will look for a way to cheat / “beat” the taxation system.
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This is NOT legal in Poland!. Yes, people do that, and yes, the revenue service so far didn't challenge it too often, because they lack proper instruments to do it and also because LOT heavily relies on that to gain edge over competition (and LOT is a poster boy for the current ruling party). But that could change very soon, they want to change the law to force those people into proper employment contract - and it will be no tax heaven any more, 18/32% income tax + 20% social contribution is what every employee should be legally paying in Poland.
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@2unlimited: I lived for 20 years in Norway (since I was 8 years old plus I was born there) so I know what I am talking about its hell on earth for anyone who wish to be free and not have to pay for people who do not want to work ever. The state is everywhere with you and I believe it will soon even be inside peoples homes (they already made a law about smoking inside PRIVATE cars). As for other jobs of course there are many that can let you work in different countries but none of them can be compared to the joy of flying plus 90 % include a decrease of salary that make up for the lower tax. So do not write stuff like fjortis before you have actually lived there. I also enjoy other stuff than only low taxes in places like Poland or Germany. For example you can drive 330 km/h on autobahn and no one will put you in jail for it like in Norway (only nation in the World I believe that can jail you for speeding on an empty autobahn its something like 165 km/h on autobahn and you go to jail, on the other side a criminal can like kill 80 people and do not get more than 21 years in jail....) and you can actually afford a car that can go 330 km/h cause it cost the normal price and not 3x the price after getting taxed. I do also enjoy the freedom of for example being able to call a taxi 2:00 in the night and ask it to bring more vodka to my party legally from a legal shop because its me who decide when I have free time to party not the state or politicians who shall decide when to do what (In Norway you can only buy alcohol at vinmonopolet and it close 18:00 and 16:00 on Saturday, and it affect only normal people cause the alcoholics buy from smugglers + hamster the stuff at home). The absolutely only thing that is not regulated in Norway are boats there in fact you do not even need a practical exam to steer a boat up to 15 meter (except theory exam) and you are totally free except some few zones with speed limits + you get tax free fuel for the boat.... but its probably about culture many people there love the sea so politicians trying to control the boats would loose too many votes.
As for stuff like insurance, security.... I already told you having private insurance give you much more money than the state even in Norway plus you get healthcare with no queue like in Norway. As for schools there are schools in Poland just like in Norway plus you can actually send your kids to a real private school in Poland where they get real dedicated teachers while in Norway only religious private schools are allowed on levels below university/college. As for pension as I said you do not have to spend everything you earn you can actually save and invest.... and get a lot more than the state would ever give you in pension. As for the law.... well in Poland we have functional police much better than in Norway actually. Cause if someone murder your family in Poland you can be sure the murderer get lifetime sentence. While in Norway someone can kill your family then get out after 21 years of jail and laugh in your face and its absolutely true just check the Norwegian system and max jail sentences. All the time while they put people in jail for speeding they give "strafferabatt" to serial rapists etc.
As for the standard of living of course its great in Scandinavia...... for those who do not wish to work or wish to get free stuff from the state (the free stuff is actually hard worked for by those who work and pay taxes) about 1 in 3 people in age 18 - 67 do not work in Norway and receive money for free in Norway. That kind of society that tax you the harder the harder you work..... the only thing it accomplish is to make people lazy. Who will work hard if the state is just gonna tax you more and give it to those who do not wish to work (even chronic alcoholism is an illness in Norway, I personally know of people who laugh and say the state force them to drink to pretend to be alcoholics to get free money). Thats why I can not understand how on earth its possible that people who actually had to work (you cannot just become pilot in the way you pass a Norwegian school by doing nothing) to become pilots can wish such a system upon themselves and their fellow pilots.
@dcoded: Maybe you lived in Sweden or Denmark, cause otherwise if you lived even a week in Poland (while speaking Polish ofc.) I can not understand how you could manage to go back to Norway... for me being on holiday every year in Poland was enough to know I would never ever wish to spend my entire life in Norway. So I worked all the time to save cash to be able to invest so I could become a pilot and have investments that make me independent from the salary (that way I do not need to choose what gives most money when looking for pilot jobs when I am done) and to move away from Norway.
Its getting off topic, but since so many people attack Wizz Air so I had to just say that Wizz Air and Ryan Air are offering actually money wise (not everyone need the maximum salary from pilotage some people choose it to enjoy flying), because if you want to fly wide body then LOT is the only option with a 787 and base in Poland) the best possible contracts you can get with a base in Poland unless there are some airlines I do not know about, operating from Poland that offer more.
PS. @BarryMG: Its absolutely legal in Poland and not only LOT does it but also Ryan Air (one of ATPL lecturers is a FO in Ryan Air) and from what I heard Enter Air and Wizz Air too. And its perfectly legal according to my bookkeeper, you make a company that deliver transport and instructing(teaching) service. And then you make an invoice and list the block hours for example. It is being used by a lot of people not only pilots, everyone from plumbers to carpenters and its perfectly legal. They wanted to change it but the politicians withdrew from changing the law (it would not affect me either way because I also own a plane that I rent so sending an invoice to only one company would not include me but I am happy for everyone else who get to keep their low flat tax). BTW 20 % social contribution WTF? I never heard about it, we only pay ZUS in Poland and its fixed for companies, for employees the employer have to pay it (like arbeidsgiver avgift in Norway). And normally you can deduce everything from tax for example buying a phone cause you need a phone to contact potential students as an instructor, a car cause you need to drive to potential renters or customers (students), drive to the airport to do your flying for the airline, PC cause you need to have a program to run your company, etc. itd. + you do not have to do the stuff with the tax man yourself, it cost about 300 PLN per month to have a professional company take care of all the stuff to be done properly and 100 % legally (no risk of taxman on your door).
As for stuff like insurance, security.... I already told you having private insurance give you much more money than the state even in Norway plus you get healthcare with no queue like in Norway. As for schools there are schools in Poland just like in Norway plus you can actually send your kids to a real private school in Poland where they get real dedicated teachers while in Norway only religious private schools are allowed on levels below university/college. As for pension as I said you do not have to spend everything you earn you can actually save and invest.... and get a lot more than the state would ever give you in pension. As for the law.... well in Poland we have functional police much better than in Norway actually. Cause if someone murder your family in Poland you can be sure the murderer get lifetime sentence. While in Norway someone can kill your family then get out after 21 years of jail and laugh in your face and its absolutely true just check the Norwegian system and max jail sentences. All the time while they put people in jail for speeding they give "strafferabatt" to serial rapists etc.
As for the standard of living of course its great in Scandinavia...... for those who do not wish to work or wish to get free stuff from the state (the free stuff is actually hard worked for by those who work and pay taxes) about 1 in 3 people in age 18 - 67 do not work in Norway and receive money for free in Norway. That kind of society that tax you the harder the harder you work..... the only thing it accomplish is to make people lazy. Who will work hard if the state is just gonna tax you more and give it to those who do not wish to work (even chronic alcoholism is an illness in Norway, I personally know of people who laugh and say the state force them to drink to pretend to be alcoholics to get free money). Thats why I can not understand how on earth its possible that people who actually had to work (you cannot just become pilot in the way you pass a Norwegian school by doing nothing) to become pilots can wish such a system upon themselves and their fellow pilots.
@dcoded: Maybe you lived in Sweden or Denmark, cause otherwise if you lived even a week in Poland (while speaking Polish ofc.) I can not understand how you could manage to go back to Norway... for me being on holiday every year in Poland was enough to know I would never ever wish to spend my entire life in Norway. So I worked all the time to save cash to be able to invest so I could become a pilot and have investments that make me independent from the salary (that way I do not need to choose what gives most money when looking for pilot jobs when I am done) and to move away from Norway.
Its getting off topic, but since so many people attack Wizz Air so I had to just say that Wizz Air and Ryan Air are offering actually money wise (not everyone need the maximum salary from pilotage some people choose it to enjoy flying), because if you want to fly wide body then LOT is the only option with a 787 and base in Poland) the best possible contracts you can get with a base in Poland unless there are some airlines I do not know about, operating from Poland that offer more.
PS. @BarryMG: Its absolutely legal in Poland and not only LOT does it but also Ryan Air (one of ATPL lecturers is a FO in Ryan Air) and from what I heard Enter Air and Wizz Air too. And its perfectly legal according to my bookkeeper, you make a company that deliver transport and instructing(teaching) service. And then you make an invoice and list the block hours for example. It is being used by a lot of people not only pilots, everyone from plumbers to carpenters and its perfectly legal. They wanted to change it but the politicians withdrew from changing the law (it would not affect me either way because I also own a plane that I rent so sending an invoice to only one company would not include me but I am happy for everyone else who get to keep their low flat tax). BTW 20 % social contribution WTF? I never heard about it, we only pay ZUS in Poland and its fixed for companies, for employees the employer have to pay it (like arbeidsgiver avgift in Norway). And normally you can deduce everything from tax for example buying a phone cause you need a phone to contact potential students as an instructor, a car cause you need to drive to potential renters or customers (students), drive to the airport to do your flying for the airline, PC cause you need to have a program to run your company, etc. itd. + you do not have to do the stuff with the tax man yourself, it cost about 300 PLN per month to have a professional company take care of all the stuff to be done properly and 100 % legally (no risk of taxman on your door).
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You are talking from extremely selfish view, with no idea of the reality. As you are studying your ATPL theory at the moment, and you believe your dream job, will always be this for you, I can assure you after 12 months with Wizz, your views will have changed 180 degrees.
I have seen multiple guys after working between 6 - 12 months with Wizz, leave aviation, to never return to flying again, both FO's and Captains.
I have seen multiple guys after working between 6 - 12 months with Wizz, leave aviation, to never return to flying again, both FO's and Captains.
And its perfectly legal according to my bookkeeper, you make a company that deliver transport and instructing(teaching) service. And then you make an invoice and list the block hours for example. It is being used by a lot of people not only pilots, everyone from plumbers to carpenters and its perfectly legal.
And Wizz Air will give you a document yearly clearly stating that you are employed in Switzerland, the lovely "Meyrin branch" of the company. Try convincing the tax man that you are self-employed entrepreneur then.
And normally you can deduce everything from tax for example buying a phone cause you need a phone to contact potential students as an instructor, a car cause you need to drive to potential renters or customers (students), drive to the airport to do your flying for the airline, PC cause you need to have a program to run your company, etc. itd. + you do not have to do the stuff with the tax man yourself, it cost about 300 PLN per month to have a professional company take care of all the stuff to be done properly and 100 % legally (no risk of taxman on your door).
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@brushcounsel: I do not know the situation of other companies working for Wizz Air or Ryan Air or LOT or any other airline. But in my case I actually own an aircraft that I rent plus I will become an FI and will perform service to a flight school. So no matter how they would change the law (that they decided to do not change) I will absolutely not be working for a single company and that way totally legally have my own company. As of Switzerland I do not know anything about it so I plan to have my company as it is in Poland and pay tax for it in Poland which is also my country of residence.
As for tax evasion attitude.... well if you ever lived in Norway and saw what they use your tax to fund then you would know that pretending alcoholics getting 80 % of their previous salary for the rest of their life is the smallest thing, they build fashion public toilets for like 5 mln Euro or pay full salary to an artist who..... runs naked on the stage and its culture worth your tax money in Norway..... Well in Poland its not tax evasion but TOTALLY LEGAL and according to Polish law company practice. Every company can have a phone, car, computer or whatever else you need or can use in your company as an expense. Microsoft, Apple every big company is doing that legally and you wish common people should not be able to do the same ? How fair would it be?
As for tax evasion attitude.... well if you ever lived in Norway and saw what they use your tax to fund then you would know that pretending alcoholics getting 80 % of their previous salary for the rest of their life is the smallest thing, they build fashion public toilets for like 5 mln Euro or pay full salary to an artist who..... runs naked on the stage and its culture worth your tax money in Norway..... Well in Poland its not tax evasion but TOTALLY LEGAL and according to Polish law company practice. Every company can have a phone, car, computer or whatever else you need or can use in your company as an expense. Microsoft, Apple every big company is doing that legally and you wish common people should not be able to do the same ? How fair would it be?
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@Flytster: Well you have to pay the legal tax of course but you are free to choose where you live as a pilot. For example as a pilot I can live in Poland and pay the minimal ZUS for companies + 19 % linear tax for companies (I am not yet done with my fATPL + FI but I own a plane that I rent) instead of for example 47 % tax in Norway and extra tax on everything you can imagine is fun to have (like a car) in your daily life + tax if you own more than about 150 000 Euro (because you keep investing your money for example instead of spending it wildly on unnecessary things). And its not barely legal but 100 % legal to live wherever you wish to live in Europe if you are a pilot and you have to pay the tax in the country where your company is active. As a pilot you are actually flying everywhere where the airline want you to so some people can probably have an official base in Switzerland and where they do actually live depends on where they are actually performing their work for the airline. As for me the Polish system is currently good enough after living in Norway its almost as a tax free heaven. As for social security, pension, health insurance.... you get much more "bang for your buck" if you buy private insurance and keep saving your money in some stock fund or keep investing in aircraft, flats, homes for rent literally anything (except for risky shares or scams) will be much much much better than government programs that are invented to make you pay more than you get back as pension.
PS. You do not make a deal with society, over 50 % of society do not even vote. You are being governed by politicians and as a pilot in addition to having the best job in the world (Its almost not a job (maybe except the paperwork bit) because its fun and enjoyable so its almost as being paid to do something you love) you are able to say "I do not like this government so I move somewhere where the government suit me". Try that with any other land based job (other than being a stock trader) without knowing the local language to where you wish to move.
PS. You do not make a deal with society, over 50 % of society do not even vote. You are being governed by politicians and as a pilot in addition to having the best job in the world (Its almost not a job (maybe except the paperwork bit) because its fun and enjoyable so its almost as being paid to do something you love) you are able to say "I do not like this government so I move somewhere where the government suit me". Try that with any other land based job (other than being a stock trader) without knowing the local language to where you wish to move.
I would say .. go and make your own experiences. I have made them by working in two different countries outside of Europe. Now me and my family is happy to be back. Inprefer to earn less money but to live in a good country with good welfare, health care, Kindergardens/ schools
But if you allow .. I recommend you to to get things right with modern state theory by reading Machiavelli, Rousseau, Hobbes, Locke etc.
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At least with those two you will earn more and there will be a less probability of getting a base without 24/7 running water and electricity (I bet they won't tell you this at your interview).
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If it's B737, you're better off with Ryanair. And if it's something else, do not get bonded by Wizz Air and go to easyJet after 500 hrs, as every sensible person does.
At least with those two you will earn more and there will be a less probability of getting a base without 24/7 running water and electricity (I bet they won't tell you this at your interview).
At least with those two you will earn more and there will be a less probability of getting a base without 24/7 running water and electricity (I bet they won't tell you this at your interview).
ok you are right ... compared to the other two options it’s like heaven .. hehe
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But back to the more aviation taxation related stuff: You do not need an own AOC if your plane is working for a flight school under their AOC and you are performing as an FI for the school and renting your aircraft to the school. In the mean time you can also offer pilot services to an airline or even to private people who got their own aircraft. That way your company work for different companies and it will always be legal no matter how they change the law. And its both fair and natural that private persons should have the same rights as big corporations.
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Got a lot of examples of many ex colleagues working there now or who swapped company after getting to know the orange spirit in detail. Many who stay say .. thats true but after all the “package” is good.
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Back to aviation related topics: First of all I am already legally renting my aircraft to the flight school and its both insured and flying under their AOC while I am the owner of it (investor) and all the papers are in order with the CAA, and when I get my FI rating I will be performing FI service to the school just like commercial pilots perform their service to Wizz Air, Ryan Air, LOT, Enter Air and other airlines in Poland plus I will also perform services to the airline that will employ me. And everything will be 100 % perfectly legal so there is no bending of anything like people suggest.
As for the airlines I believe they wish to have people up to the task and up to the job. People who realize they are not entitled to the job and who understand that they got the responsibility and the state will NOT fix it if they fail. When you are flying an aircraft you can not just say for example: "the weather is unfair, my gf broke up via SMS and my friend crashed my car and just sent a picture.... so I will call sick while in mid air and ask the politicians to land for me" if you take off then you have to do the job no matter your feelings. Especially if you have passengers in a commercial aircraft. Its not Norway where the state will fix it if you make a mistake in your life, you can kill yourself and 100s of people (depending on the aircraft you fly and its capacity) if you fail and there is no state to fix it for you. Its you who have to perform and deliver and life of others depend on you.... The job of a pilot is one of the few jobs that politicians can not just give to everyone because someone is entitled to the job, you have to do your job. It will not work to go to an assessment and say "I am entitled to get the job as pilot, and I am entitled to at least a new shiny jet do not even think of giving me a turboprop. I am entitled and I want that new shiny, or I will cry and call the state that you discriminate me." it just won`t work. You have to actually have the proper skills its not a state job in Norway where they give you a job within the state just because. You have to be up to the task and the responsibility and be ready to improve yourself everyday, learn something new, get better all the time.
As for the airlines I believe they wish to have people up to the task and up to the job. People who realize they are not entitled to the job and who understand that they got the responsibility and the state will NOT fix it if they fail. When you are flying an aircraft you can not just say for example: "the weather is unfair, my gf broke up via SMS and my friend crashed my car and just sent a picture.... so I will call sick while in mid air and ask the politicians to land for me" if you take off then you have to do the job no matter your feelings. Especially if you have passengers in a commercial aircraft. Its not Norway where the state will fix it if you make a mistake in your life, you can kill yourself and 100s of people (depending on the aircraft you fly and its capacity) if you fail and there is no state to fix it for you. Its you who have to perform and deliver and life of others depend on you.... The job of a pilot is one of the few jobs that politicians can not just give to everyone because someone is entitled to the job, you have to do your job. It will not work to go to an assessment and say "I am entitled to get the job as pilot, and I am entitled to at least a new shiny jet do not even think of giving me a turboprop. I am entitled and I want that new shiny, or I will cry and call the state that you discriminate me." it just won`t work. You have to actually have the proper skills its not a state job in Norway where they give you a job within the state just because. You have to be up to the task and the responsibility and be ready to improve yourself everyday, learn something new, get better all the time.
Last edited by KT1988; 27th Apr 2019 at 19:23.