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You sound like a funny guy that talked a lot and had no idea what he was saying. Thank god they upgraded him and he moved away to the uk base..
Just to get things strait: guys like you(as i presume) and me fly the freaking plane. CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency. I don’t see any similarity between the two. They get to know the ins and out of who? Mizzair? who the... cares? are we still doing wizzbutique or flying the f plane?
You asked what my problem is with cc: they are being favored over a regular guys from wich they require 300h to join (not 200) and training is ****, they overlook stuff as they are considered one of us(although they don’t know how to fly and are released on line flights) personaly I had to take over twice on final and once I was taken over because he wanted to make an rt call and pressed the wrong button! It takes a lot of determination and ambition to became a pliot and a lot of them don’t have it. My point is the front seat is not for anyone.
Offtopic: I flew atr and md before the playstation in places where the md is still allowed to fly.. I was just giving an exemple from the ‘network’ junior.. hold your pants on!
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Just to get things strait: guys like you(as i presume) and me fly the freaking plane. CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency. I don’t see any similarity between the two. They get to know the ins and out of who? Mizzair? who the... cares? are we still doing wizzbutique or flying the f plane?
You asked what my problem is with cc: they are being favored over a regular guys from wich they require 300h to join (not 200) and training is ****, they overlook stuff as they are considered one of us(although they don’t know how to fly and are released on line flights) personaly I had to take over twice on final and once I was taken over because he wanted to make an rt call and pressed the wrong button! It takes a lot of determination and ambition to became a pliot and a lot of them don’t have it. My point is the front seat is not for anyone.
Offtopic: I flew atr and md before the playstation in places where the md is still allowed to fly.. I was just giving an exemple from the ‘network’ junior.. hold your pants on!
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Do you think it makes a difference if a Cadet has 200 or 300 hours?
I am amazed with your poor English skills, that you at all have managed to pass level 4, as it's not easy to understand what you are saying. Actually at the end I completely lost you, who knows what you are talking about.
It's only recently Wizz changed the requirement to 300 hours.
Your view of your cabin crew is despicable, who do you think you are? Sky God?
I know a lot of great guys and girls in Wizz, I know few CC who got the chance in the flight deck too, they was pilots, who took a job as CC, to try to get their first job. Some of them are now Captains with Wizz, who I believe are excellent pilots, there is a lot of others there too, who think they are SkyGods, who should NEVER have been Captains, and some of them flew ATR's and MD's before they arrived Wizz.
For some Wizz is the last chance saloon, if you have so much experience, and are so great of a pilot, why are you working for a company like Wizz? LMAO
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Never said I'm overexperienced or any kind of Sky God (dude you have to cut off on that tv crap) I was just pointig out to mr showoff that I've seen split and other places.
Do you think it makes a difference if a Cadet has 200 or 300 hours?
I am amazed with your poor English skills, that you at all have managed to pass level 4, as it's not easy to understand what you are saying. Actually at the end I completely lost you, who knows what you are talking about.
Excuse me mr level 6 for not checking grammar before posting, if your royal highness doesn't understand why bother replying?
So let's not do wizzbutique and get back to the point,
It's only recently Wizz changed the requirement to 300 hours
Your view of your cabin crew is despicable, who do you think you are? Sky God?
CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency.
I know a lot of great guys and girls in Wizz
few CC who got the chance in the flight deck too
they was pilots
Some of them are now Captains with Wizz, who I believe are excellent pilots, there is a lot of others there too, who think they are SkyGods, who should NEVER have been Captains, and some of them flew ATR's and MD's before they arrived Wizz.
For some Wizz is the last chance saloon, if you have so much experience, and are so great of a pilot, why are you working for a company like Wizz?
LMAO
Not at all, just sharing the facts Never said I'm overexperienced or any kind of Sky God (dude you have to cut off on that tv crap) I was just pointig out to mr showoff that I've seen split and other places.
Well fyi, yes! from 200 to 300 you need to work your way around it (instruct, aeroclub, fly for fun, out of passion... stuff like that) otherwise just pay your way into it just like they do now.
Sir, mr uk guy sir, how can I help you sir? if lost try a map sir!
Excuse me mr level 6 for not checking grammar before posting, if your royal highness doesn't understand why bother replying?
So let's not do wizzbutique and get back to the point,
Negative! It's been for at least 3years like this...
I got that you're having trouble reading my posts but my view of my cabin crew is: in the exact order for normal ops days. Your royal highness needs to cut on the drama and on the Thor and other gods movies.
yes! me too! aha! I was just sharing my experience in the previous posts about that!! royal highness not level 6 native?
you're drifting off buddy.. I've worked my ass off to get where I am and now spoiled kids get to buy their way in a place where they have no idea what to do, that was the point. Who deserves and what is not for me (nor you hopefully) to decide.
Because it's the best I can get home, I'm with my family and I choose lifestyle over money any time if you must know.
Really? Am I chatting with kids on forums? lmwhat?
Never said I'm overexperienced or any kind of Sky God (dude you have to cut off on that tv crap) I was just pointig out to mr showoff that I've seen split and other places.Well fyi, yes! from 200 to 300 you need to work your way around it (instruct, aeroclub, fly for fun, out of passion... stuff like that) otherwise just pay your way into it just like they do now.
Sir, mr uk guy sir, how can I help you sir? if lost try a map sir!
Excuse me mr level 6 for not checking grammar before posting, if your royal highness doesn't understand why bother replying?
So let's not do wizzbutique and get back to the point,
Negative! It's been for at least 3years like this...
I got that you're having trouble reading my posts but my view of my cabin crew is: in the exact order for normal ops days. Your royal highness needs to cut on the drama and on the Thor and other gods movies.
yes! me too! aha! I was just sharing my experience in the previous posts about that!! royal highness not level 6 native?
you're drifting off buddy.. I've worked my ass off to get where I am and now spoiled kids get to buy their way in a place where they have no idea what to do, that was the point. Who deserves and what is not for me (nor you hopefully) to decide.
Because it's the best I can get home, I'm with my family and I choose lifestyle over money any time if you must know.
Really? Am I chatting with kids on forums? lmwhat?
There are guys doing courses from CTC and Oxford, direct into Easyjet / Virgin / BA with never even flown a real airplane, done all their training in the Sim. It works and has worked for years.
Your view of Cabin Crew:
"CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency.
in the exact order for normal ops days."
I think you misunderstanding the job description of a Cabin Crew, Their MAIN JOB, is to be able to make sure all safety procedures for passengers are complied with, with regards to boarding, disembarking and during the flight. And in case of Emergency that is what they are MAINLY TRAINED FOR.
Have some respect for your Cabin Crew and what their main duties on the flight are, it seems you don't really understand this.
I am not sure what SELS means, I guess you wanted to say SELLS - selling sandwiches is not really what they are trained for, as I am sure you also would be capable of selling sandwiches if you had to. (Btw do you still get 1 Sandwich Crew meal for your 13 hour duty day? - In aircraft with No Ovens to even bring your OWN hot meals)
So if they have trained to be commercial pilot, have 200 hours, to improve their own life, than they should still work as Cabin Crew?
Apparently you have little knowledge of how Business works, where locality should be rewarded, and as far as I recall ALL CC who wanted to move to the flight deck had to show great attitude, and be recommended by their base Captain.
The difference between 200 - 300 hours is negligible, most guys with those 100 hours extra don't do anything else than fly holes in the sky anyway, just to get more hours.
It does not make you a better commercial pilot if you fly 200 or 300 hours in a ****ty C-152.
Btw I am not British, but you are right, I have level 6 in my English. That is probably one of the bigger issues Wizz do have, many crew do not have good enough English, you are a prime example of this.
I guess that's the reason they still need to employ loads of British and Dutch guys.
The reason many love Wizz, and working there, is because they pay close to nothing in Tax, live in cheap country, I know an ex wizz Fo who went to EZY, and complained because he had to pay 900 Euros a month to live in BCN, while when he was in Romania he only needed to pay 300 Euro.
But think about it, living by the beach in Barcelona with sun or living in Romania, what you prefer? It's about location location and location.
I might not like Wizz Air, but no way can I defend such a despicable attitude towards new pilots or cabin crew, we have all been there sometime, and just because you had to work hard, does not make you a better pilot or more privileged than anyone else.
You try to work a 4 sector day as Wizz Cabin Crew on a 14 hour day for a few years, and tell me if that is easy / not hard, I am sure you would not even last 1 week.
Being envious just because there are some people today who get job different than you did is not your business to worry about.
You worry about trying to get a REAL LEVEL 4 in English first, as I am sure many of the Cabin Crew who become pilots probably speak better English than you.
And I hope soon EU will make sure you all will have to pay your taxes properly, that would be fun.
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Guys, WTF are you all talking about? It doesn't matter what you've done before you become a pilot! CC, butcher, student - who the **** cares. It's your skills what matters. And thank god, the most of them have the skills. It depends on each individual, nothing more, nothing less. Lately i had an excellent FO, just after his final release, he performed way better than some FO's with 2k hours. Your talks are nice, i get the point of both of you. But please calm down: we all learn every day, no matter how many hours we already have. Not to mention the complaints from young FO's about some experienced captains, who do a lot of bull**** as well. We all know about those guys, every airline has them. So please come back to what we all know best: be open minded, always ask yourself what you can do better, be able to improve yourself and help your collegue to improve. That's professional aviation in my opinion.
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Mshamba 
right on!
2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
you’ve turned this thread in bull****, I’m telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you it’s a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post I’m not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
right on!2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
you’ve turned this thread in bull****, I’m telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you it’s a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post I’m not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
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Mshamba right on!
2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
you’ve turned this thread in bull****, I’m telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you it’s a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post I’m not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
right on!2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
you’ve turned this thread in bull****, I’m telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you it’s a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post I’m not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
Mshamba right on!
2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
you’ve turned this thread in bull****, I’m telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you it’s a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post I’m not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
right on!2unlimited wtf are you talking about?
you’ve turned this thread in bull****, I’m telling facts you seLL donuts (cudos to you mate and your fellow heroes)
You have no clue but still posting. I remind you it’s a low cost model and they are and will be cheap and they will hire cheap with 0 experience! I remind you the company has bases in east so most of my colleagues did their training in serbia not in OXFORD so get your head out your ass!
Fyi we have local contracts.
On local contract I myself pay 45% tax (that might be close to nothing for you - either this or no idea wtf do you even still bother writing crap here) ending un with 6-6,5k in the pocket, saving 5k home being with family and friends beats any screwmeal! (yes with 1,5 a month you can leave decently - location location location). They will get rid of contracters because they cost too much and as for british.. well brexit will limit them for luton base only and commuters come, take the experience and after 1 year they go elsewhere - makes sense for them but not for the company so....
As for the rest of your post I’m not gonna even bother. Usually when one has no clue one keeps his piehole shut.
They will not get rid of contracters for 2 reasons.
They make sure nobody in Wizz have the BALLS to create a union.
So it’s Split and Conquer, locals vs contractors, it’s perfect for the company.
Second reason, are you aware of how many flights Wizz cancelled because of lack of crews?
More aircraft will need more crew, where are they going to find crew for these **** contracts?
Your leave system is a joke, when you take leave you loose your off days, what a joke company.
Seems nobody cares the company has been corrupt as no other .
People just paid HR to get jobs. Nice
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Would someone explain junior the difference between a local contract vs an agency aka confair? You seem to know more about this company then the ones working for it. I leave you to it, I’ve got better things to do
happy new year everyone!
happy new year everyone!
If you are on 6/4 roster, you want 10 days leave, you get 10 DAYS LEAVE only, even if 4 of these days already are OFF days.
In normal good company, you should get 10 days off, when using 6 leave days in such a roster pattern.
Few years ago hundreds of pilots was employed in Wizz by paying xx.xxx amounts of Euros, to get into the flight deck, both Captains and FOs
I know about Confair contracts, local contracts etc and the Contractor contracts.
I know how crews in Romania was fired when they tried to start a union, and Wizz was forced to employ them again, only for people to spread rumors that these crews was unsafe to work with.
I know how Wizz nearly crashed a A320, when inbound Sofia in 2016 and they retracted the Flaps by mistake.
I know of the case when a Wizz was positioning an empty A320, with only Cabin Crew onboard, and some IDIOT Captain tried to check some protections or flight maneuvers in the cruise, and the Cabin Crew went flying in the ceiling of the aircraft, and afterwards tried to blackmail the Captain for money, all ended with the whole flight deck and cabin crew getting fired.
I know how Wizz call people on their OFF days, constantly disturbing people in their rest time, and how they wipe AIMS if you have to position before a flight, and it can impact on your flight time limitations.
The Confair contracts when analysed are not worth the paper they are written on, at least the ones I saw was not even legally correct.
I know a lot more about Wizz than most the people working there now does. Specially interesting when some ex Air force Greek Captain tries to take off with a little ice / snow on the wings, and the FO has to stop him.
Of course no fatigue program, I guess fatigue is not an issue with Wizz? Or are people to afraid in case management will call them in for a meeting?
Enjoy your soggy sandwich, and don't forget to bring your own coffee.
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2unlimited offers valid opinion. Plenty of other safety issues in Wizz Air, as the Hungarians still think they have a flying club with 3 aircraft.
Crews trying to get out of hard EGPWS warning by using OP CLB, LTC hand flying for 1h+ in RVSM in alternate law to destination after switching off 2 ADIRSs by mistake. The case with cabin crew flying around was a Safety Captain.
Base captains involved in above said bribes to join the company.
Please join.
Crews trying to get out of hard EGPWS warning by using OP CLB, LTC hand flying for 1h+ in RVSM in alternate law to destination after switching off 2 ADIRSs by mistake. The case with cabin crew flying around was a Safety Captain.
Base captains involved in above said bribes to join the company.
Please join.
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2unlimited offers valid opinion. Plenty of other safety issues in Wizz Air, as the Hungarians still think they have a flying club with 3 aircraft.
Crews trying to get out of hard EGPWS warning by using OP CLB, LTC hand flying for 1h+ in RVSM in alternate law to destination after switching off 2 ADIRSs by mistake. The case with cabin crew flying around was a Safety Captain.
Base captains involved in above said bribes to join the company.
Please join.
Crews trying to get out of hard EGPWS warning by using OP CLB, LTC hand flying for 1h+ in RVSM in alternate law to destination after switching off 2 ADIRSs by mistake. The case with cabin crew flying around was a Safety Captain.
Base captains involved in above said bribes to join the company.
Please join.
Wizz recently got highest 7 start safety rating from AirlineRatings.
i have plenty more factual stories I could tell you, But what’s the use, there is dangerous culture within Wizz, and I am not talking about 200-300 low hour cadets.
I know most Wizz air pilots do not stand together out of fear of management, as Mr Varadi will try to CRUSH any union inside the company.
So just continue dig your head in the sand.
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Are the THREE airspeed unreliable events on a single day last year included in that reliable 7 star safety rating?
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Hey guys. If someone have a local contract in Romania and get paid 6500 gross as a SFO in Wizz it takes almost 3500 net according to some free tax calculators. What about if get paid through confair? Is he obligated to pay social or health insurance in Romania.
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To offset that, Wizz has introduced a 1.45 salary multiplier for local romanian contract - in the end they spend (roughly) the same amount on you, the state gets (roughly) the same amount of money and you get (roughly) the same net salary as before (roughly, because we all know every such change is an opportunity to skimp a few cents off the employee).
If you choose the contractor route, you will not be paying those high taxes, but at the same time the 1.45 multiplier won't apply to you, so your gross will be smaller, net should be similiar
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As a contractor, you are probably responsible for paying the taxes, not the company - simplest explanation is that he was in fact getting €5300 gross, he just choose to dodge the taxes
Update on latest safety issue at Wizz, an experienced FO at Cruise level, heavy aircraft, gets sudden overspeed warning, disconnects AP and starts climbing to reduce the speed at FL 380.
Yes what more can I say.