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Greetings everyone.
First of all, I'd like to wish a Happy New 2019 Year to everyone of you!
Any ideas if Wizz has got a preference for pilots who have graduated ATPL integrated (over modular) course?
I will be picking up ATPL modular (at Bartolini Air) in June 2019. My ambition in the end is to work at Wizz. Reason for that is firstly that they are a large and well known company, they fly Airbus (I'm fond of these aircrafts), the fleet size is large, new/fresh, they fly to so many destinations... One of the most important things (to me) is that you can expect to build hours quickly (I've hard that 800 hours per year can be expected there) and the fact that you can be working at your home base (there's a waitlist) looks nice and convenient. The company itself looks to be stable and has got a right strategy so all of this looks promising.
However, upon reviewing Bartolini Facebook page, I saw that many their students got hired by mainly Ryanair and I haven't seen any posts telling about Wizz. This got me a bit worried - maybe the company doesn't accept students who finished the ATPL modular, maybe they simply don't consider Bartolini as a serious school or... Maybe I'm just worrying too much and overthinking?
Besides, reading this thread I came accross a few posts that Wizz is now full with the required staff (speaking about pilots, of course) and that the expansion won't be that rapid in the future as it used to be during past several years; this leads to further not too optimistic minds.
Any input on the above points would be highly appreciated.
Thanks!
First of all, I'd like to wish a Happy New 2019 Year to everyone of you!
Any ideas if Wizz has got a preference for pilots who have graduated ATPL integrated (over modular) course?
I will be picking up ATPL modular (at Bartolini Air) in June 2019. My ambition in the end is to work at Wizz. Reason for that is firstly that they are a large and well known company, they fly Airbus (I'm fond of these aircrafts), the fleet size is large, new/fresh, they fly to so many destinations... One of the most important things (to me) is that you can expect to build hours quickly (I've hard that 800 hours per year can be expected there) and the fact that you can be working at your home base (there's a waitlist) looks nice and convenient. The company itself looks to be stable and has got a right strategy so all of this looks promising.
However, upon reviewing Bartolini Facebook page, I saw that many their students got hired by mainly Ryanair and I haven't seen any posts telling about Wizz. This got me a bit worried - maybe the company doesn't accept students who finished the ATPL modular, maybe they simply don't consider Bartolini as a serious school or... Maybe I'm just worrying too much and overthinking?
Besides, reading this thread I came accross a few posts that Wizz is now full with the required staff (speaking about pilots, of course) and that the expansion won't be that rapid in the future as it used to be during past several years; this leads to further not too optimistic minds.
Any input on the above points would be highly appreciated.
Thanks!
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6 new aircraft (321ceo/neo) will delivered until March which means 5% expansion within the next 3 months only (as the current fleet count is 106).
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Don’t know anything specific about Wizz, but IMHO integrated/modular does not matter a lot.
In most cases if someone graduated from an integrated course only indicates their parents had more money.
At the end of the day a 150 hour cadet is a 15 hour cadet and still has a lot to learn. How fast they will learn depends on their aptitude, not the kindergarten they went to....
In most cases if someone graduated from an integrated course only indicates their parents had more money.
At the end of the day a 150 hour cadet is a 15 hour cadet and still has a lot to learn. How fast they will learn depends on their aptitude, not the kindergarten they went to....
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I heard also they are full of Captains and FO due to others companies bankrupt. So now they have type rated guys ready to join and Inthink they are giving priority over non type rated guys.
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Just read every post in this thread from start to the end.
I was under the impression that this company is pretending to be a house of rookies - experienced & rated CPTs are not even invited to interview due to mysterious reasons ("they will see what's inside and leave the company soon". I got an impression that their policy was to recruit some NTR Cadets. You can pay low salary to them plus the bond will ensure you will retain that person for some time (most likely).
Wizz base is in my home town. If I'd be pulling the aviation trigger, I'd love to work here but... Understanding that it's not a long time career airline and seeing their salaries at some moments makes me feel desperate regarding getting into aviation business at all...
I was under the impression that this company is pretending to be a house of rookies - experienced & rated CPTs are not even invited to interview due to mysterious reasons ("they will see what's inside and leave the company soon". I got an impression that their policy was to recruit some NTR Cadets. You can pay low salary to them plus the bond will ensure you will retain that person for some time (most likely).
Wizz base is in my home town. If I'd be pulling the aviation trigger, I'd love to work here but... Understanding that it's not a long time career airline and seeing their salaries at some moments makes me feel desperate regarding getting into aviation business at all...
Circus Wizz never ends.
I am looking forward to see who are going to fly all their aircraft soon. Floating Cabin Crew in Luton, because they are to cheap to pay people proper salary.
Constant tax avoidance / evasion for their crews.
Enjoy your crew meals on your 13 hour duty days, never mind the hotel accommodation.
I know of contractors taking over 800 Euros a day, and they name their own schedule, and works when they want.
And all of these contractors are just waiting for better jobs, thats why they dont join Wizz.
The rapid expansion is a massive issue for Wizz, you have low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's.
Need I say anything more?
I am looking forward to see who are going to fly all their aircraft soon. Floating Cabin Crew in Luton, because they are to cheap to pay people proper salary.
Constant tax avoidance / evasion for their crews.
Enjoy your crew meals on your 13 hour duty days, never mind the hotel accommodation.
I know of contractors taking over 800 Euros a day, and they name their own schedule, and works when they want.
And all of these contractors are just waiting for better jobs, thats why they dont join Wizz.
The rapid expansion is a massive issue for Wizz, you have low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's.
Need I say anything more?
I tried to join Wizz Cadet programe at BAA Training this past autumn. During their presentation, I was shocked to hear they (Wizz) stated that skills and COMPASS test results of the candidates in this room are nearly useless for them because they look mainly at the person and his motivation. Reason for that is that they fly only Airbus and these are computer driven - the pilot does very little.
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Anybody can practice to make perfect those tests, and I don't believe they are very important.
Get over your bitterness if you want to be in aviation, you can't win the fight.
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I agree the COMPASS tests and other such tests are useless in the real world, these tests are only created by HR companies looking to make money.
Anybody can practice to make perfect those tests, and I don't believe they are very important.
Get over your bitterness if you want to be in aviation, you can't win the fight.
Anybody can practice to make perfect those tests, and I don't believe they are very important.
Get over your bitterness if you want to be in aviation, you can't win the fight.
Considering their desperate need for pilots and their terms, I‘m wondering about the Wizz definition of „unsuitable“ if they don‘t even invite TR‘d and experienced people.
Not sure if it is a good idea to expand and then fly with all-newbie crews, no matter how good the crew‘s basic aptitude may be.
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I tried to join Wizz Cadet programe at BAA Training this past autumn. During their presentation, I was shocked to hear they (Wizz) stated that skills and COMPASS test results of the candidates in this room are nearly useless for them because they look mainly at the person and his motivation. Reason for that is that they fly only Airbus and these are computer driven - the pilot does very little.
So why low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's should be a problem at all when Airbus can do "all the needful" itself from factory? Besides, it's getting smarter and smarter with each firmware upgrade!
I'm not in aviation business but my views and imagination on this matter were totally the opposite. If a person can't get a good scoreon a really simple COMPASS test at the very beginning, it's a very big question if he'll be really good at his work in that sphere. You need very technical and talented people to do the stuff right and safe. But... If Wizz officials present such ideas during their company introduction, then means it's the strategy they're living in
So why low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's should be a problem at all when Airbus can do "all the needful" itself from factory? Besides, it's getting smarter and smarter with each firmware upgrade!
I'm not in aviation business but my views and imagination on this matter were totally the opposite. If a person can't get a good scoreon a really simple COMPASS test at the very beginning, it's a very big question if he'll be really good at his work in that sphere. You need very technical and talented people to do the stuff right and safe. But... If Wizz officials present such ideas during their company introduction, then means it's the strategy they're living in
How does that fit together with an allegedly above average training standard that got reported here?
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Perhaps it was just some halfwit middle HR person’s perception of how Airbus is operated.
My first hand experience is that their training is very good- the best out of the 7 airlines I worked for...
Having said that, if I were a recruiter, I’d also look at a candidate as a person, not just how well they passed the Compass test... I never had to seat one, How on earth anyone let me to fly those big shiny jets?
My first hand experience is that their training is very good- the best out of the 7 airlines I worked for...
Having said that, if I were a recruiter, I’d also look at a candidate as a person, not just how well they passed the Compass test... I never had to seat one, How on earth anyone let me to fly those big shiny jets?
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Perhaps it was just some halfwit middle HR person’s perception of how Airbus is operated.
My first hand experience is that their training is very good- the best out of the 7 airlines I worked for...
Having said that, if I were a recruiter, I’d also look at a candidate as a person, not just how well they passed the Compass test... I never had to seat one, How on earth anyone let me to fly those big shiny jets?
My first hand experience is that their training is very good- the best out of the 7 airlines I worked for...
Having said that, if I were a recruiter, I’d also look at a candidate as a person, not just how well they passed the Compass test... I never had to seat one, How on earth anyone let me to fly those big shiny jets?
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Circus Wizz never ends.
I am looking forward to see who are going to fly all their aircraft soon. Floating Cabin Crew in Luton, because they are to cheap to pay people proper salary.
Constant tax avoidance / evasion for their crews.
Enjoy your crew meals on your 13 hour duty days, never mind the hotel accommodation.
I know of contractors taking over 800 Euros a day, and they name their own schedule, and works when they want.
And all of these contractors are just waiting for better jobs, thats why they dont join Wizz.
The rapid expansion is a massive issue for Wizz, you have low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's.
Need I say anything more?
I am looking forward to see who are going to fly all their aircraft soon. Floating Cabin Crew in Luton, because they are to cheap to pay people proper salary.
Constant tax avoidance / evasion for their crews.
Enjoy your crew meals on your 13 hour duty days, never mind the hotel accommodation.
I know of contractors taking over 800 Euros a day, and they name their own schedule, and works when they want.
And all of these contractors are just waiting for better jobs, thats why they dont join Wizz.
The rapid expansion is a massive issue for Wizz, you have low experienced Captains flying with low experienced FO's.
Need I say anything more?
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
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Join the party mate!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
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Being a bit sarcastic here, do you suggest that flying is so complicated as only third generation pilots can do this job properly, and only if they start in a special pilot kindergarten. It is so complicated that no CC would be able to learn it. Or what exactly is the problem with CC trained to fly and being bonded? Is it inherently dangerous that we have CC who might want to fly, and instead of mortgaging mum and dad's house, they start working, and then finance their training themselves.
Nothing against cc, just to show how cheap they are and yes, they hire desperate monkeys with this kinda money on this kinda type.
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Why so offended? Pushing trollies and dream one day you'll be in front? Hate to spoil it for you but it's not a good deal. If I were to start again I would do the same: not spend a dime on training. If you're passionate and realy wanna do this you'll find a way. But to pay a **** load of money for someone to hire me to pay me peanuts and fly me 900h/year... Best of luck!
Nothing against cc, just to show how cheap they are and yes, they hire desperate monkeys with this kinda money on this kinda type.
Nothing against cc, just to show how cheap they are and yes, they hire desperate monkeys with this kinda money on this kinda type.
Join the party mate!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
As many "newbie" pilots, will do anything to get in the flight deck door, and believe it will put them in the right environment for networking, connections and maybe get a chance.
These will normally be CC with CPL and IR, so it's not "newbie" CC they are promoting.
Actually it is a good way for people to learn the ins and outs of the company, I have seen many promoted this way, and I would say this shows real dedication and motivation, and 100 times better than some Compass test to find the "right people"
The issue with Wizz Air, is that they did not always take the right people, they took the people who had the money to bribe the right people to get into the flight deck.
As the company has such a corrupt past, it's impossible to know if some of the people they recruited could be the wrong people, only time will tell. As far as I know the company was rotten to the core, if they still are, who knows.
Join the party mate!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
It's been like this for the last 6 years.
Now they're encouraging cabin crew to promote to the flightdeck. I mean.. it's not a big difference after all.. between selling snickers and twix...all they need to do is save up 40-50k from their salaries and get the atpl. Then Wizy can bond them for the type and voila! This industry has gone to the can.
At least I get to sleep in my own bed. Looking for a way out already, don't see myself doing the 900h till 40 years old. I pity the old guys in here.
Happy landings!
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Many companies are encouraging Cabin Crew to Flight Deck, this is not something new.
As many "newbie" pilots, will do anything to get in the flight deck door, and believe it will put them in the right environment for networking, connections and maybe get a chance.
These will normally be CC with CPL and IR, so it's not "newbie" CC they are promoting.
Actually it is a good way for people to learn the ins and outs of the company, I have seen many promoted this way, and I would say this shows real dedication and motivation, and 100 times better than some Compass test to find the "right people"
As many "newbie" pilots, will do anything to get in the flight deck door, and believe it will put them in the right environment for networking, connections and maybe get a chance.
These will normally be CC with CPL and IR, so it's not "newbie" CC they are promoting.
Actually it is a good way for people to learn the ins and outs of the company, I have seen many promoted this way, and I would say this shows real dedication and motivation, and 100 times better than some Compass test to find the "right people"
Sooner or later they will realise they need experienced people in the company no matter how many limitations and restrictions they impose. hope it’s not gonna be too late.
happy landings!
wanna trade? going to dtm on **** wx with an ex cc on the right with 200h on c172 that has a max xwind lim of 10kts on landing(insurance) is defenetly fun! you shoud try this! Divirting or having abnormals they help a lot!! Most people do this job for the wrong kind of reason, unfortunately not out of passion. So it goes to the can..
Sooner or later they will realise they need experienced people in the company no matter how many limitations and restrictions they impose. hope it’s not gonna be too late.
happy landings!
If DTM approach with crosswind challenge, than you should try a circling approach to Split, or approach to Funchal.
As far as I know Wizz training is not that bad, and I am pretty sure they won’t release the ex CC until they meet required standards.
but fact is that any smart FO with experience will leave as soon as possible .
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You sound like a funny guy that talked a lot and had no idea what he was saying. Thank god they upgraded him and he moved away to the uk base..
Just to get things strait: guys like you(as i presume) and me fly the freaking plane. CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency. I don’t see any similarity between the two. They get to know the ins and out of who? Mizzair? who the... cares? are we still doing wizzbutique or flying the f plane?
You asked what my problem is with cc: they are being favored over a regular guys from wich they require 300h to join (not 200) and training is ****, they overlook stuff as they are considered one of us(although they don’t know how to fly and are released on line flights) personaly I had to take over twice on final and once I was taken over because he wanted to make an rt call and pressed the wrong button! It takes a lot of determination and ambition to became a pliot and a lot of them don’t have it. My point is the front seat is not for anyone.
Offtopic: I flew atr and md before the playstation in places where the md is still allowed to fly.. I was just giving an exemple from the ‘network’ junior.. hold your pants on!
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Just to get things strait: guys like you(as i presume) and me fly the freaking plane. CC sels sandwiches and deal with people(all kinds of em’) and hopefully they are well trained in case of an emergency. I don’t see any similarity between the two. They get to know the ins and out of who? Mizzair? who the... cares? are we still doing wizzbutique or flying the f plane?
You asked what my problem is with cc: they are being favored over a regular guys from wich they require 300h to join (not 200) and training is ****, they overlook stuff as they are considered one of us(although they don’t know how to fly and are released on line flights) personaly I had to take over twice on final and once I was taken over because he wanted to make an rt call and pressed the wrong button! It takes a lot of determination and ambition to became a pliot and a lot of them don’t have it. My point is the front seat is not for anyone.
Offtopic: I flew atr and md before the playstation in places where the md is still allowed to fly.. I was just giving an exemple from the ‘network’ junior.. hold your pants on!
over and out