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Old 7th Apr 2021, 22:23
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I was speaking with a friend, FO in Wizzair on the romanian contract, who has been struggling on about 400 eur a month the whole winter, between unpaid leave and salary cut. Working as Amazon driver to supplement his income whenever possible.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 05:52
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What's the point working for 400 EUR/month then?
As you said before, job opportunities at local post office are better, as now the number of packages being sent has doubled if not tripled.
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Old 8th Apr 2021, 09:26
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The whole point i would say is still being on a payroll, kept current and recent with either flights or sims and having loads of free time avail for other projects. Make no mistake most of my friends at wizz are driving, riding, designing, building, etc. just make something on the side, however with a their minds set on hopefully things picking up in the future. Of course the above mentioned are also knowing their jobs hanging by a thread in case of another round of redundancies. It's tough for everyone out there one way or another.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 00:07
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Exclusive: Wizz Air replaces operations chief after probe into pilot redundancies | Reuters
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 04:10
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Good riddance. Also for the rest of the clowns he was pulling out of his backside executing his orders. It's just a pity that company culture won't change IMHO. These "managers" and "base captains" were let go because of the leak and not due to the way they've treated their colleagues, make no mistake.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 06:38
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There is a recording, I had a friend send it to me together with the transcript. The wild guess is that company have come down on all base management and demoted them because of the recording and that they don't know who leaked it. So they probably just decided to chop everyone, to continue spread their "fear games"

The recording is in my opinion extremely damaging, also with regards to safety, where they mention getting rid of "weak Captains" - this coming from top management themselves. Anyone who has worked there and have some knowledge of aviation, does know that this does not come as a big surprise. It also shows they have put expansion ahead of safety. I would want to believe that a company's minimum standard of Captains should not contain the words "weak"

I have heard these words spoken by various base Captains at Wizz before, where they complained how can they watch out for "weak" Captains, because they never fly with these Captains. Despite this was the warning some of the base Captains did get from upper management. Keep an eye on X, Y and Z, because they believe they are "weak Captains"

I believe the lawyers will have field day with this recording and the unfair dismissal cases, this will end up costing Wizz a few millions for sure.

And they have now wielded the sword on some very good base Captains, clearly now looking to implement a much more authoritarian structure within the company. What ever was spoken on that recording, would have been approved and instructed by the Upper management, however they discovered that they did not have 100% loyalty, so the axe has fallen for every single base Captain in the company, with one exception, and that is the UK one.

Maybe they worry that the UK laws are not as fragile as those in some of those corrupt Eastern European countries. I mean Wizz have a long history of corruption.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 07:35
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post
The recording is in my opinion extremely damaging, also with regards to safety, where they mention getting rid of "weak Captains" - this coming from top management themselves. Anyone who has worked there and have some knowledge of aviation, does know that this does not come as a big surprise. It also shows they have put expansion ahead of safety. I would want to believe that a company's minimum standard of Captains should not contain the words "weak"
I'm pretty sure that "weak" does not mean "unsafe" for the management. Rather, they call "weak" the captains who take above average discretionary fuel without reason, refuse to do FLAP 3 landings, single-engine taxi, work from off days etc.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 09:05
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No. They mean those whose flying abilities are below average, even worrying. But they’ve been there so long and it’s gone on for so long.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 09:24
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If that's so, why would chief pilot call himself a weak? He is well known as bad pilot and barely passes his sim sessions... Not to mention closing the aircraft and sealing it with APU running 2x just to keep it cool for the next crew...
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 12:21
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wizzair showing their true face

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2BV2XA
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 13:14
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Ah, the fantastic zoom meetings and smartphone era... everybody today can become an investigation reporter and spill the beans anonymously on social media..
That said we all knew before what guys like these were doing being the closed doors of their offices since years, Just painful to get it on tape... and becoming one of the bad apples yourself..
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 16:22
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We all knew it, but apparently there is proof..

Don't know if it had been reported here yet.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2BV2XA

Apparently, an unknown manager at Wizz air was on an internal call, telling people they needed to get rid of "certain" pilots. Funny that the head of flight ops has been put on "non-active" after the audio fragment started circulating around the pilot community at Wizz Air.

Also some talk on the call about dodgy employment practices through a Dutch broker.

Would be nice if the EU would for once work in the favour of honest employment practices and start an investigation into Wizz... But not holding my breath...
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 17:59
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Disgusting though not surprising given the airline's anti labour, union busting practices. They're not sorry, just sorry that they were caught.

I like to hope that a "smoking gun" like this would result in some actual action by the regulators, but we all know that isn't going to happen.

I'm a big supporter of the EU but situations like this where a company can choose to employ crew through a crewing company in the EU state with the lowest labour protections, base them in another country entirely and then complete against other airlines who actually do treat their staff half decently, shows that the current laws are completely unfit for purpose, especially as far as airlines go.
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Old 9th Apr 2021, 19:01
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I am pretty sure that this episode is going to feature in some business school case studies of how not to do things. Incidentally the chief pilot was a management pilot in the Middle East previously and a military pilot prior to that. I don’t know if he picked up his management style from any of those experiences, but the shareholders cannot be happy. Didn’t Indigo sell quite a lot of stock a few weeks ago? well before all this of course, but lucky timing.

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Old 10th Apr 2021, 03:46
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In the letter, the airline said an independent review of its handling of the redundancies found no indication it had acted unlawfully but “some factors may have been taken into account that were inconsistent with Wizz Air’s culture of open and honest communication and its focus on employee opportunity.”
Same time seems to be open for lawsuits where ex employees or contractors also win some cases... Would be interesting to read the independent review and see the reasoning behind their conclusions in any case...

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Old 10th Apr 2021, 04:49
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Few cases i heard of ended up with a settlement involved a non disclosure clause, so we won't know the whole story. Other than that a full court case, going through all the stages and hoops would certainly put wizz in the spotlight. Could even be used as a precedent in some future cases varying from state to state depending on local laws and regs.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 07:55
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Wether mandated by his superiors or by self-determination, this is a straight continuation of this manager’s previous employer’s practices. Unfortunately, this is becoming the MO of many airlines’ management.
As for the “weak” captains, well, that has always existed in more or less degree as not everyone has the same levels for different sets of skills.
There is a difference between “weak” and “unsafe”.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 15:11
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The saga might though, bring into question the concept of 'base captains". Some are great, but some can have very strange philosophies, which can often royally hack off either the crew or the company, or just engender an unpleasant atmosphere of paranoia in the base. And they're highly paid for what is predominantly an admin job, while operational matters are arguably best dealt with centrally.
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Old 10th Apr 2021, 17:29
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It might mean that at "normal airlines", but this is Wizz, it means what it really means. Things like needing to be told they need to de-ice when they have snow on the wings, this is just one example, there are many more.

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Old 10th Apr 2021, 20:28
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I can never understand why Wizzair were permitted to have all those millions of UK taxpayers money. Knowing what we now know that was a great decision!
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