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Old 1st Sep 2020, 18:32
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Can I have your opinion about T&Cs? What do you think about that if that it will be good (enough)?
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 18:39
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is not just T&C. They must start to treat their pilots like humans and respect them. Is about labor rights, change of contract unilaterally (contracts is like toilet paper). Today I pay you 10 tomorrow 5, no negotiation, and maybe the day after tomorrow I fire you.
we are pilots, I personally cannot work with such pressure, fear of loosing my job... I mean is not a cuestión of just money 💰
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 19:35
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Treatment of the workforce is a function of supply, demand and competition. Ryanair from 10 years ago (one of the few chances for a newbie at the cost of €30,000 and an absolute last resort for everyone else) bears no semblance to Ryanair today (seriously good company with good pay, fair treatment of personnel and enviable stability and security in every aspect). That was all thanks to the abundant alternatives after 2013, making pilot retention an issue. That was when they started changing course and actually making the job a desirable one which few pilots would leave as soon as any alternative crops up. The result of that positive transformation can be seen today.

Will Wizz air follow the same path if the first green shoots of recovery elsewhere make pilot retention an issue, potentially putting kibosh on the aggressive expansion plans? That remains to be seen. Probably in a couple of years we'll know more.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 20:46
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The answer is easy, you already typed it in. The companies (or their managements more explicitly, adding this to tear the EEU veil that is no longer appropriate to WZZ) will do whatever is necessary once necessary. And whatever they can once they can.

The more tricky question is how long will RYR keep the good act (taking your word for it, longer present users here speak audibly otherwise) they were for now forced to play?

Nevertheless, the answer becomes relevant only once job offers are advertised again.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 21:42
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Well said. I like this one. On the other hand, it's also a moment when everyone can see who's oriented long-term and treats their workforce as their team who will stay with them in good and bad times - and who's just taking the opportunity to grab some land, relying on the concept of people being easily replaceable. Time and again, we won't know the complete story until the COVID mess is over and better times come.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 22:11
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Smoke and mirrors, IMHO.

Assuming extremely e. g. TAP, Hop!, BulgariaAir and Finnair treat their pilots the best. How would an example Austrian pilot join them?

Notwithstanding the observed fact that the most adaptable survive, i. e. the most unscrupulous. Same people who squeeze the hardest will be the ones putting most caviar on the toast and having the brightest PR fireworks. And as long as promised base is close to home, people will line up for that.

Aviation is international, EASA licences are EU-wide, but personal pilots lives are still local for the majority.

The choice usually is the 1 local carrier, or 1 max 2 of the Cross-national LCC. Or change the domicile to wear the expat redshirt. Different options when divorced, true.

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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 00:42
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"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 06:18
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No indeed, it is not 'just' T&C, but it is also T&C. You will need to keep in mind that when airlines are skyrocketing again, they will ofcourse not speed-up the process of getting the T&Cs back to where it was. If it is gonna be back at where it was, no one will know now. But I have a bad feeling about this particular issue tho.
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 06:20
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CNN journalist amazing job with Varadi yesterday

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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 06:32
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You can guess who wrote to that employees yesterday? You cannot play to be God when everybody is bad. Speak about expansion and open 10 bases with 25% less workforce... He would like to be O’Leary (I’m not a big fan) but O’Leary there is only 1. And if you look the strategy of Ryanair keeping all the pilots from the beginning fresh and current. Now they are prepare for when the business rump up. However WIZZ has no training capacity, they have lost the loyalty of their pilots.
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 18:42
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Must be a hard fight for survival living in Monaco as it seems Varadi is doing.

I wonder how he afford to be in Monaco?
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 21:27
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Stealing his employees . Simple as that !
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 21:33
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after the 3 mill £ of Wizz shares he sold last week... enjoying the life in Monaco
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 16:05
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Hungary bought an A330F from Qatar Airways which will be operated by Wizz.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 16:44
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Indeed. Former A7-AFF, MSN 1578. And it will be operating commercial cargo flights anytime it's not flying in part-fulfilment of a government mission. So, Wizz Cargo might as well take off someday soon.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 07:55
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CVs under review?
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 10:15
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Pilots and cabin crew from most bases forced to take unpaid leave and/or 50% part time for the winter.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 07:47
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As expected. But at least there are no further layoffs.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 08:13
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Thanks for the infos.
I was just guessing why the status of some applications changed.
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 11:57
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Yes, because they are either paying people nothing Unpaid Leave, or 50%, if you don't fly you get paid nearly nothing anyway. Cheap commodities in Wizz, yet Varadi is living it up in Monaco.
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