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Old 19th Jul 2020, 15:30
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Perfect! So we can continue enjoying the summer. I really sorry for my colleagues that still flying because Is gonna be a tough summer for them.

also let see if we pass the assessment again... that is the other history.

and also you are guessing too much my friend. Some captains fired found a job already, other are waiting just to go for interview in China, Vietnam.... and also there is a number of them that decide to stay at home in Western Europe with their families and has no intention to reapply in Wizz.

of course always they will have the chance of getting external pilots... but quality and quantity... that is another history. And how much time are they going to keep their crews in the company when things start to improve??? Because most of the people “lucky” to keep the job are really pissed off. With random rosters base change and almost 20% salary less.
so some how I feel blessed to pass a good summer at home with my family and wait for a good opportunity in the future...
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 07:08
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Hello all, a question for Wizz drivers here:

i have applied but my status is "auto disqualified" because my last flight is beyond the 6 months timeframe (which is the truth).
I am redundant from EK.
Is the 6 months a "hard" requirement or you think they will look at it according to the individual situation?
I don't know how Wizzair recruitment team work at all.
Thanks in advance and good luck to all.

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Old 20th Jul 2020, 07:22
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Originally Posted by LorisBatacchi View Post
I don't know how Wizzair recruitment team work at all.
If they work at all (and not fired like the captain who was laid off but had been re-hired in a hurry when Wizz Air realized he was an ATO postholder).
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 07:24
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Thanks mate, looks like is gonna be fun
All the best.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 07:56
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suggest you join the ex-tcx WhatsAp groups. The question you have asked has been addressed in one of them, plus at least one guy went back to rejoin Wizz, having been laid off, a couple of days ago, so may have up to date info.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 07:59
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Thanks mate, i will try and see even if i do not like whatsapp groups
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 09:38
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Originally Posted by booze View Post
From yesterday's The Times
Wondering how this sh*tshow will play out. My 2 cents that he'll get away with a warning at most. This situation is any capitalist's wetdream.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 09:58
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​​​​​​According to the announcement of the company it was to make sure that excellence prevails against mediocrity in their management. A tad late I'd say.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 14:03
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Looks like the status changed into "we are currently reviewing all applications" now.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 14:51
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The fact that they fired 270 pilots less than a few months ago, just to replace them and/or rehire them should raise gigantic red flags. If you think EK and the likes were ruthless in this crisis, these guys are even worse. Just be careful and be ready to be dismissed at the blink of an eye.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 15:21
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Is there actually any jurisdiction across Europe which prevents or seriously complicates the use of unpaid leave? As far as I know, the official reason to proceed to large-scale layoffs in an otherwise growing company was that "it was too difficult to coordinate measures to protect employment across such a large number of countries, all with their different jurisdictions". Which is surprising. Surely unpaid leave on a rotable basis between crews would have been easier to arrange than termination of a ton of contracts, followed by a new round of recruitment and tents and hundreds of new assessments less than three months later?
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 15:42
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Of course it would have been doable. Same as part time contracts and voluntary redundancies. For just a few months.
They did what they did because they could, and they wanted to send a signal to all the employees, as easy as that. They now will accept anything for the fear od ending up like the 270 guys that were fired.
They are bullies, no more no less.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 15:48
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Same tactic as EJU currently uses in Berlin from what i hear from my former colleagues there. Threaten half the base with job losses and put the fear of god into them, getting huge concessions on contracts in return that will be the baseline for the next 10 to 15 years. Fear always works, pilots are not a very united work body and easily divided and scared like little kids. Works every time.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 16:02
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Difference being that easyJet has a strong union in Germany, and only local contracts complying with the local law, meaning that they cannot just do as they wish, firing with an email and just a few weeks notice, like Wizzair. They obviously use similar tactics, that's true.
Plus easyJet has not announced base openings like candies in the last month, and has no plan to grow by 200+ planes in just a few years, as the pink brigade.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 16:33
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The aforementioned charming things happened in many other airlines across Europe, big and small. And I can't see something like that encouraging long-term loyalty, no matter in which of those airlines and certainly not in the ones where seniority is not a thing either. So, the moment the market picks up and alternatives start coming up, a number of places will have staff retention problems. Which, in turn, will raise the salary baseline a lot quicker than in 10-15 years. Right until the next downturn, when the story will repeat itself time and again.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 16:46
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Originally Posted by SoundLesS View Post
There isnt any list so as long as you perform in a company oriented way you should be safe. Regarding the hours yes they do factor your hours and with you experience it should only take about 1 year maybe for upgrade, thats how it was before corona, now the upgrades are postponed for a certain amount of time...
Thanks for the information. Very much appreciated.

About the type rating, Do you need to do whole type rating course with them, or you can renew your expired 320 rating by your own before joining?


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Old 21st Jul 2020, 16:50
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Originally Posted by PilotLZ View Post
The aforementioned charming things happened in many other airlines across Europe, big and small. And I can't see something like that encouraging long-term loyalty, no matter in which of those airlines and certainly not in the ones where seniority is not a thing either. So, the moment the market picks up and alternatives start coming up, a number of places will have staff retention problems. Which, in turn, will raise the salary baseline a lot quicker than in 10-15 years. Right until the next downturn, when the story will repeat itself time and again.
One would think so, but even the last boom growth phase, the longest for aviation in europe in a long time, did not yield really good conditions, unlike the US for example. Even the big ones like LH actually decreased their T&Cs by 15% just three years ago while their company posted record profits. And with legacy carrier pilots working as scabs (BA anyone?) it is not going to be pretty any time soon.

Difference being that easyJet has a strong union in Germany, and only local contracts complying with the local law, meaning that they cannot just do as they wish, firing with an email and just a few weeks notice, like Wizzair. They obviously use similar tactics, that's true.
Plus easyJet has not announced base openings like candies in the last month, and has no plan to grow by 200+ planes in just a few years, as the pink brigade.


True, they have a union. Although i wouldn't call ver.di strong in any way, shape or form, especially as they negotiate based on member numbers, and those are of course stronger in the cabin crew.

And yes, the pink brigade is acting even more reprehensible than the orange one is, but not by much. And not growing in a crisis could be a huge strategic failure of the current management, but that is a different story altogether.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 17:02
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You might be right, I am not desputing the strategic decision, but what I meant was that firing people for just a few months, when you have huge expansion plans, is just a demonstration of power, with the sole objective to terrify the workforce, but no justification from an operational point of view.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 19:38
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The latter boils down to the fact that everyone is for themselves for two reasons. First, contracts making union membership an offence which results in immediate dismissal. Second, lack of advanced labour legislation in many Eastern European countries. Just to give you an idea of the contrast between East and West - have you ever thought why no French airline ever offers P2F schemes? Because the labour legislation in France forbids any legal entity from doing this, and airlines are no exception. On the contrary, in Eastern Europe many ACMI companies with fleets of 3 or 5 aircraft with an average age of 25 years get involved with such things. Just because there's nothing to stop them from doing so. Hence, everyone standing their ground however they find fit is not "the new normal", but the ordinary normal in many places. And this makes cases which can be used by a number of other carriers to threaten their workforce. "You see what the guys next door did? You want us to to do the same in one way or another? No? Then sign on the dotted line." Divide and conquer at its finest.
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 05:26
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Do not compare EasyJet with Wizzair.

a FO in EasyJet is making more money than a new entry Captain in WizzAir flying to the limit.

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