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Old 21st Dec 2018, 12:14
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Originally Posted by austrian71 View Post
Cons: Eastern management, bad reputation, second class airline, no labour rights,
Pros: A320 Type, thats all
If you can avoid it, just do it, just my two cents.
Sorry, but I disagree. All of this is highly subjective, without any proof. There are plenty of positives about Wizz, most people are happy, morale is high. Eastern management? What about it? Does eastern automatically equal bad? Second class - then what is RYR with their RYR Sun, third class?
No labour rights? I still get a legal, local employment contract, employer pays the taxes and social security for me. I do get LOL, holidays, stable roster, cheap/free tickets for myself and partner/friends, significant discount on gym membership and starting from January - the same for private health insurance. People are very nice (well, depends on where you end up, I hear Romania and Bulgaria might be slightly less friendly but still ok. Can't help with Riga, don't know anybody there).

Of course, there are cons (abundance of them) - just as in any other airline. You have to weigh what matters to you and what you can live with. But don't dismiss an airline because "it has bad reputation and comes from eastern europe so it must be bad".
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 13:06
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Originally Posted by BarryMG View Post
Sorry, but I disagree. All of this is highly subjective, without any proof. There are plenty of positives about Wizz, most people are happy, morale is high. Eastern management? What about it? Does eastern automatically equal bad? Second class - then what is RYR with their RYR Sun, third class?
No labour rights? I still get a legal, local employment contract, employer pays the taxes and social security for me. I do get LOL, holidays, stable roster, cheap/free tickets for myself and partner/friends, significant discount on gym membership and starting from January - the same for private health insurance. People are very nice (well, depends on where you end up, I hear Romania and Bulgaria might be slightly less friendly but still ok. Can't help with Riga, don't know anybody there).

Of course, there are cons (abundance of them) - just as in any other airline. You have to weigh what matters to you and what you can live with. But don't dismiss an airline because "it has bad reputation and comes from eastern europe so it must be bad".
so we had to work in two different airlines :P
after six years in this „caol mine” named „airline”, flying 500 sectors per year constantly on minimum rest/planned extension twice per week I gave up... and lets dont forget about permanent company pressure to accept rooster changes, off day flying and tension not to report fatigue whenever you are... FATIGUE!!!!
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Old 21st Dec 2018, 13:54
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Originally Posted by BarryMG View Post
Sorry, but I disagree. All of this is highly subjective, without any proof. There are plenty of positives about Wizz, most people are happy, morale is high. Eastern management? What about it? Does eastern automatically equal bad? Second class - then what is RYR with their RYR Sun, third class?
No labour rights? I still get a legal, local employment contract, employer pays the taxes and social security for me. I do get LOL, holidays, stable roster, cheap/free tickets for myself and partner/friends, significant discount on gym membership and starting from January - the same for private health insurance. People are very nice (well, depends on where you end up, I hear Romania and Bulgaria might be slightly less friendly but still ok. Can't help with Riga, don't know anybody there).

Of course, there are cons (abundance of them) - just as in any other airline. You have to weigh what matters to you and what you can live with. But don't dismiss an airline because "it has bad reputation and comes from eastern europe so it must be bad".
@Barry - you tell us all bul----it - sorry - are you managment? BTW, the romanian and bulgarian I appreciated much more, they were straight forward , not the same to say from some "western" guys where you had always to expect the stab frrom backwards, even when the very polite and "british" e.g. But time always takes care for revanche as you can see in todays political situations in these countries- and yes, I am FOR Brexit, better today then next year ! Please dont spread bul-.it around, specially young guys have the right of knowing the truth. BTW ryan air have union contracts in germany starting, what was the last action by wizz mngmt when in OTP 2014/15 they tried to start a LEGAL union ? Go to your bosses and ask them what they did with my former colleagues, go ask them how the the former CEO shouted , that you could hear it from OTP to the city center of Bucharest, and then fired them alll, please stop your bu...it spreading and think before you write.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 10:36
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Originally Posted by the flu View Post

so we had to work in two different airlines :P
after six years in this „caol mine” named „airline”, flying 500 sectors per year constantly on minimum rest/planned extension twice per week I gave up... and lets dont forget about permanent company pressure to accept rooster changes, off day flying and tension not to report fatigue whenever you are... FATIGUE!!!!
We must indeed... 360 sectors and 800hrs this year for me (full time), extension maybe once per month, and I have never been pressured into flying on my off days (asked politely - yes, I have declined more often than accepted and that was it). But I've joined a little over a year ago and I heard a lot has changed since the culminating point of summer 2017. Everybody agrees that things have improved a lot.
I will say again - there is a lot to dislike in Wizz for sure (this outright fight against any unionization being the biggest one, as austrian71 says) but I'm happy, and 90% of people I fly with are happy too.
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 16:19
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Brilliant Barry One year in the company - after my first year I was fine as well, belive me- you will feel it in your bones in a couple of years...
if calling you every day during your holidays, often happens at 4 o clock in the morning is fine for anybody (even if you will tell them “politely” to stop doing that) is not a constant pressure model, then what is? During my holodays I had to block the OCC numbers not to be interrupt by them all the time- and even that didnt stop them- they are using different numbers :P
Barry- give yourself time and gain experience in this ULCC model airline then start to make any statements... and yes in over a year a lot has changed- but its opposite your way of thinking- a lot of things are worse than before, thats why I left...
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Old 22nd Dec 2018, 18:05
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Originally Posted by the flu View Post
Brilliant Barry One year in the company - after my first year I was fine as well, belive me- you will feel it in your bones in a couple of years...
if calling you every day during your holidays, often happens at 4 o clock in the morning is fine for anybody (even if you will tell them “politely” to stop doing that) is not a constant pressure model, then what is? During my holodays I had to block the OCC numbers not to be interrupt by them all the time- and even that didnt stop them- they are using different numbers :P
Barry- give yourself time and gain experience in this ULCC model airline then start to make any statements... and yes in over a year a lot has changed- but its opposite your way of thinking- a lot of things are worse than before, thats why I left...
I'm just stating my experience, everyone can take from it what they want. Maybe it's not sustainable for years, I'm not planning to stay that long anyway (although tell that to all those 10+ years guys and gals in the company, they seem to make it work). But regarding this OCC calls and texts - I literally was asked around 5 times during this year if I could fly from my OFF, and always during day hours (usually by text) - do you consider that "pressure"?
Maybe life in this airline can be different depending on which base you get? I'm in one of the bigger ones, could be a factor.
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 15:34
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Is Wizz Air still short of captains? I heard they lost a lot of their own people and seem to be hiring across the board. Whats the hiring situation looking like there at the moment?
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 09:35
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Originally Posted by the flu View Post
Brilliant Barry One year in the company - after my first year I was fine as well, belive me- you will feel it in your bones in a couple of years...
if calling you every day during your holidays, often happens at 4 o clock in the morning is fine for anybody (even if you will tell them “politely” to stop doing that) is not a constant pressure model, then what is? During my holodays I had to block the OCC numbers not to be interrupt by them all the time- and even that didnt stop them- they are using different numbers :P
Barry- give yourself time and gain experience in this ULCC model airline then start to make any statements... and yes in over a year a lot has changed- but its opposite your way of thinking- a lot of things are worse than before, thats why I left...
Working for Wizz and NEVER experienced something like that you mentioned. But i had this (and even worse) in my previous company, so i definitely know that feeling :/ Constant roster changes, even sometimes in one hour before checkin. Now at Wizz - if there is a roster change, they called me well in advance, or even ask me if i am willing to accept a change. First time i received a call from Wizz OCC asking me to accept a schedule change, i thought it's hidden camera. Asking me??? Never had that before. Flying on OFF? Sometimes i do receive a polite SMS if i am willing to do a flight. Ignore it, or if you are bored on your base, accept it. No pressure at all. In my previous company: if you had to fly on OFF day, you had to fly. "You have crew schedule changes". That's it. They took away all off days as they needed you. Here at Wizz i NEVER had that, and i don't know a single collegue where it was ever happening like that.

All those complaints - i get them. But believe me one thing: There are airlines out there where it is way worse than that. The "complaining Wizzpilots" think mostly the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Compared to other companies i experienced and get feedback from - it isn't. And i have to admit that things might have changed recently to our advantage. It might not have been like that in the past. But definitely this one year i am in, no complaints at all.

But for sure, that all depends where you are in your career. New FO? Might be treated not like an experienced captain. And base issues. For sure there are bases with stable ops, and some without. I enjoy a stable base and have nothing to complain.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post
Is Wizz Air still short of captains? I heard they lost a lot of their own people and seem to be hiring across the board. Whats the hiring situation looking like there at the moment?
I think we need all where we can get a hand on. Fastest growth in industry (europe). Huge demand. Every week 1-2 assessments going on with 10-20 people attending.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 14:26
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Originally Posted by Mshamba View Post
I think we need all where we can get a hand on. Fastest growth in industry (europe). Huge demand. Every week 1-2 assessments going on with 10-20 people attending.
I heard they needed quite a few CA and FO. Just wanted to confirm. What bases can new hires expect to get or is it just assigned according to company need Some?

Where is the type rating training done these days and what hotel do they put you up in?

DF
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 14:36
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Each single base has its props and cons, I have been travelling through the network and it looks like different base is sometimes like different airline...
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 14:38
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post


I heard they needed quite a few CA and FO. Just wanted to confirm. What bases can new hires expect to get or is it just assigned according to company need Some?

Where is the type rating training done these days and what hotel do they put you up in?

DF
You will get sent to where they can secure sim time for the TR, be it Toulouse or elsewhere.
Hotel will be the cheapest deal they get provided there is a bed and toilet.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 14:39
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I applied months ago never heard anything.
Updated application a few times. 1800hrs non type.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 15:37
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Originally Posted by schweizer2 View Post
You will get sent to where they can secure sim time for the TR, be it Toulouse or elsewhere.
Hotel will be the cheapest deal they get provided there is a bed and toilet.
Hopefully there is a decent standard on the hotels which are conducive to studying. Where do the majority of people end up doing theirTR?

I get they will go to wherever there is a sim but they must have a regular place they use a lot.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 15:43
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In Toulouse for the initial type rating the crews usually stay in the At Home Appart'Hotel, for five weeks. That would not be considered acceptable by any other respectable airline that I know. Most of the people do their training there in the Airbus Training Center.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 16:34
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Seconded Dirk, I spent five weeks there during the summer of 13. The place is an absolute hovel and has a fold down bed FFS. Was particularly galling when we met up with the Qatar crew who were all living it up in the Pullman.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 16:43
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Seconded Dirk, I spent five weeks there during the summer of 13. The place is an absolute hovel and has a fold down bed FFS. Was particularly galling when we met up with the Qatar crew who were all living it up in the Pullman.
Done my 5 weeks there as well. As cheap as it can come I reckon.
Not only do you spend 5 weeks in a "fold down bed" room but you also have the pleasure of being the first pickup in the morning and drive round town for an hour picking up everyone staying at the nice hotels.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 16:59
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Done my 5 weeks there as well. As cheap as it can come I reckon.
Not only do you spend 5 weeks in a "fold down bed" room but you also have the pleasure of being the first pickup in the morning and drive round town for an hour picking up everyone staying at the nice hotels.
I wonder if they would let you use the money they spend on a hotel to use on a better hotel and you just pay the difference as i personally would refuse to stay in one of those shithole hotels. I would rather pay half and get a nice place. Would cost you maybe 1500 euro for your half and you could be in a 4 star hotel.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 18:38
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post
I wonder if they would let you use the money they spend on a hotel to use on a better hotel and you just pay the difference as i personally would refuse to stay in one of those shithole hotels. I would rather pay half and get a nice place. Would cost you maybe 1500 euro for your half and you could be in a 4 star hotel.
The answer will be NO.

But you can pay extra yourself to upgrade your room.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 22:17
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Originally Posted by schweizer2 View Post
The answer will be NO.

But you can pay extra yourself to upgrade your room.
is there a quick way to get a contract with this circus airline. I want to be the clown!
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