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Old 11th Nov 2014, 19:13
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LOL. Where the hell are you getting 3500 from? (this has been my average take home from the past 13 months) You are seriously deluded!
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Old 11th Nov 2014, 19:57
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Captain salary with Wizz approx £3500 UK pounds, that was what Frogge used as CURRENCY!

Which 4500 Euros a month! Base pay CPT is 40.000 Euros / 12 = 3333 Euros a month + sector pay.

So who is deluded now?
And for first 6 months after upgrade base pay is reduced, believe it is to 35.000 Euros. So Captain pay can probably be less then 4500 Euros a month too in the start, so all happy days.
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Old 11th Nov 2014, 20:02
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I guess you are still very deluded!
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Old 11th Nov 2014, 20:45
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Actually I meant euros because thats the currency FR pays and I would imagine Wizz aswell. And that 9k(euro) is with the sector pay and allowance included! So if u take that and taxes into account I don't think the difference would be as big as you are insisting.
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Old 11th Nov 2014, 21:13
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Ok double instead of treble!

I still think Captain pay of around 4500 Euros a month is appalling!

EU is supposed to be one market, or as we can see there are 2 tiers! Fact is in the numbers!

Not talking about the people, talking about the economics! So why does not all the big companies just outsource to these low paying countries, and then we will have all happy days all over the continent?
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 11:07
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Guys,
I would like to know how many years are needed to get the CPT upgrade from an experienced FO starting from 0 hours on the A320. I have passed the screening but I am flying the Jumbo in Asia with a good contract but I would jump on the left seat, because here takes a long time.


Thanks
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 08:50
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An average WZZ CPT in my base in PL takes home around 5.5K-6K in euro per month after tax, social and pension and including sectors. So it's a third less than Ryanair, and that's obviously ****e. Couldn't agree more.

But don't come moaning to me about eastern Europe. If you don't like it, just go back. Nobody is forcing you to be here. The fact is that the same regulations that allow us to work here are the same regulations forcing the wages down.

Simple as.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 09:20
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If a wizz cpt takes home 6k/month(euro) that is equal or even more that a RYR cpt gets paid! I say it again, 9000euro minus 40% tax leaves you with 5400 euro/month! I think that wizz and ryr are pretty much in the same boat! As an FO I don't see much future in either one.
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Reg. RyR, if you have a limited company, you pay 21% tax on dividends.

Also deductions before tax etc. 145Euros x 750 hours a year = 9000 Euros a month before tax.

Wizz Captain, base pay 3333 Euros a month, and 1800 Euros sector pay, so total 5100 Euros a month before tax.

On this approx. 21% tax.

Also depends how good accountant you have, tax can be reduced, if your pre tax pay is high.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 12:55
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Nowadays only RYR contracts available for new commanders, so no self employment, thus normal employee tax rates.

At 20% (the standard rate):
  • the first €32,800, for individuals without dependent children
  • the first €36,800, for single or widowed persons qualifying for the One-Parent Family tax credit
  • the first €41,800, for married couples.
The balance of income is taxed at 41%

After this you still need to deduct social charges (USC) and social insurance (PRSI).

A LOAD OF TAXES!
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 12:58
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I have to say though that there is several different contracts within RYR, but I'm now talking about what is offered to current command upgraders and what I would most likely be offered in a few years
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 16:14
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If proper contracts like this, you will at least have holidays, sick days and pension? (Frogge)

This at Wizz would be negligent if any at all!
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 23:05
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Dude honestly, what are you talking about? Are we working for the same company? I'm on a Polish contract. I have Holidays, sick pay and I pay contributions for a pension in Poland. This admittedly is but it is there and considering that I am a resident of the Netherlands these working years get counted in NL towards my dutch state pension, as per EU regulation. My taxes are also paid, in Switzerland. Fully compliant with double taxation treaties. It is not my fault nor that of WZZ that the EU allows this kind of practice within its member states. Each year that I have worked here I have filed a full tax declaration with the authorities in the Netherlands and never had an issue.


I'm not saying that what I have is good, far from it and I am far from satisfied, but get a grip already. I was out there today and asked my direct colleague, an English bloke by the way, what he actually takes home every month. He says there are better and worse months, but on average around 25000ZL. This comes down to 5.5-6.0K per month in Euro, after all is paid and deducted and factored for the variation in FOREX on the zloty. I understand you are based in VNO and that local contract is significantly worse, but there are quite a few contracts in this place with very different take-home's at the end of the month. Again, not saying it's great because it really isn't, but please get your facts right.
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Old 15th Nov 2014, 10:18
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And what do you do to improve your situation ? Have you joined a union ? Do you invest time in defending your T&Cs, one way or another, instead of waiting for the sun to come out, if that's God's will ???
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You know as well as I know that due to the structure of this company, and others, and the way that they are allowed to be incorporated within this European Union of ours it makes it extremely difficult for single staff to make any difference. Management knows that and has purposefully set the company up in this way. Just like yours has if you are in FR. In my previous airline I was indeed member of the union. It is much simpler when you are based in one base, in one country with one group of pilots. That being said, I came here voluntarily (whilst having other options) and don't regret my decision as I always knew what it would mean. I had personal reasons for doing so.

In the mean time, I try not to do anyone any favors without getting compensated really well for it and it works quite nicely for me. On the short term I should be leaving for an airline in Asia, because sadly it does appear that the only way to vote is with your feet in the current aviation climate. What I certainly am not doing though, is accepting a job whilst fully knowing all it's consequences and then coming on here berating the country where I am based. Or neglecting my own responsibility when it comes to the contract conditions that I, and all of us here, accepted. So what am I doing? It appears that certainly a lot more than most on here.

We can certainly discuss terms and conditions, the things that could and should improve or are otherwise neglected by my employer. But let's be grown up about it and read into the material at hand first before starting some sort of discussion. It would certainly reflect better on some of the more junior colleagues here and would increase the probability of me, but more importantly the company, taking their complaints and grievances to heart.
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Old 15th Nov 2014, 10:51
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I am not at FR anymore and that for a looong time !! I quit that slaughterhouse, sick and tired of their behaviour. I'm not one to put up with that cr@p.

The fact the structure was adapted is one thing. But nothing prevents from working around the rules. Just get the right lawyers working on it and they'll find. That cannot be achieved out a personal endeavour. There are ways and solutions.
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Old 15th Nov 2014, 20:02
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I am not VNO based, my base is not important either Dr!

40000/12 + 30 sectors x 60 Euros is a good average to work on. If you can get that to come to 5500 - 6000 Euros a month after tax, well that is interesting maths!

You have of course the 5% increase after every 1000 hours for more senior Captains!
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Busdriver you are a complete idiot hahahaha lier lier pants on fire
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Old 16th Nov 2014, 08:05
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Whatever!

The figures I presented are correct, that is the base of the Captain salary!

I love the Wizz HR witch hunt of the guessing game, who who who!

Yes that is another special perk this company provides, they don't like people with opinions that cross their East European leadership / management style, which belong to another century!
Rule with an iron fist and report each individual to big brother, a company that loves to self promote how successful they are, with one after the other unknown Hungarian business awards!
When the fact their success is built on a very fragile foundation, which was proven when they was not able to float on the stock market earlier this year!
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Old 16th Nov 2014, 09:50
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Eastern european management style eh? CEO HU, EVP UK, COO NL, DFO UK, FLT OPS MGRS: DE, PL, HU. Yeah mate, I really feel behind the iron curtain here. I'll be the last to say that there isn't plenty to improve in this company, there really is. But you are just stirring, misinforming, spewing and even insulting the same peoples and cultures that offered you a job to begin with, calling them racist no less. I am just a lowly FO like you sir and like you I am not from here, but you strike me as a particularly pedantic drama queen. Get over yourself and present facts when you are in a debate, because trust me nobody that I know from the aforementioned MGMT people has the inclination, time nor energy to care about who you are. Even if you would like to feel important. A lot of fun you must be in the flightdeck .

Furthermore there is nothing wrong with my mathematics.
(40.000 x 1,05^(2))/12 + at least 40 sectors x 60 = 6075 = 25685 PLN at todays rate.
(40.000 x 1,05^(2))/12 + at most 60 sectors x 60 = 7275 = 30759 PLN at todays rate.

This is for a captain that has flown 2000 hours in the LHS, before tax and pension/social security. Considering that we realistically fly plenty more than 40 every month, I'd say my colleague was not just right, but right on the money. And this is with the numbers that you provided, I don't know the exact numbers that he has in his contract. It is a poor salary for the job, that thing is for certain in my mind. I will allow you to interpolate for seasonality yourself as I honestly can't be bothered, suffice to say that our season lasts around 8 months.

As a last thing to note, it is no big secret who I am. Anyone with any time in this firm that lurks this forum can easily guess it. Despite the fact that I have been critical about this company in the past and in the present, I have never heard anything and nobody has been trying to intimidate me at any point. As I said, I think we work for different companies!

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